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Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 9:42:41 AM   
Lucifyre


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Status: offline 		This is a link to the full episode.

IMO for our community this one is a complete fail. Sadly I bet it's the view many people take and why we are so demonized.

http://www.free-tv-video-online.me/player/putlocker.php?id=960D831613BE5A5C

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 12:42:48 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 1:05:16 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 2:10:47 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 2:41:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, the link is working fine (for me). When you click on it you'll get a black ad screen with a button that says "Close ad and watch as a free user" which you click and it will trigger a pop up, close the pop up and you'll see the same screen with a new button that says "Start Video Now" same deal, click button, close pop up...your video will load and you can see the episode.
That's the price of free tv, you gotta deal with anmoying pop up ads.

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 2:50:04 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 2:59:04 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 3:19:34 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 4:23:17 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 5:21:41 PM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 5:43:13 PM   
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If you are talking about the episode that aired last night (where i am at least), where a cousin of one of them was kidnapped as a teenager and her child was used to keep her captive & in line.. its a tv show (fiction) called Criminal Minds not the BDSM Fun Time show.. and being kidnapped and forced to do things does happen in real life.. That is what the episode i saw portrayed.. just cuz some bdsm was involved does not, imo, matter..

If some people dont understand that there is a huge difference between being kidnapped for real versus willingly and knowingly participating in bdsm, then that is their fail, not some fictional tv show's fail.. jmo

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 6:45:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		The fail we're talking about is the episode's failure to portray the BDSM angle, without giving, or at least I was, spoilers.
Thing is, the set-up of the crime can easily be explained and believable without the BDSM word (and gratuitous kink scene) shoved in there, that and the discrepancies in regards to the BDSM aspect, but most befuddling, that they decided to give a profile based solely on a partial "slave contract" on a subculture none of the team shows any actual awareness of, and the failure of the show to clearly define a crime. The episode all but swept her kidnapping under the carpet over the glitz and noise of him doing strange slave things to her. They never had any concrete proof that he did in fact stalk and kidnap her, except, presumably, her own off-camera testimony post end credit. Elements which I feel count towards poor writing.

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 7:11:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alecta
The fail we're talking about is the episode's failure to portray the BDSM angle, without giving, or at least I was, spoilers.
Thing is, the set-up of the crime can easily be explained and believable without the BDSM word (and gratuitous kink scene) shoved in there, that and the discrepancies in regards to the BDSM aspect, but most befuddling, that they decided to give a profile based solely on a partial "slave contract" on a subculture none of the team shows any actual awareness of, and the failure of the show to clearly define a crime. The episode all but swept her kidnapping under the carpet over the glitz and noise of him doing strange slave things to her. They never had any concrete proof that he did in fact stalk and kidnap her, except, presumably, her own off-camera testimony post end credit. Elements which I feel count towards poor writing.

That is the same episode i watched but what you got out of it was very different from what i got.. the fact that her child was held captive to keep her in line and keep her from leaving tells me in volumes that she was held against her will and I thought keeping 2 people (her kid and her) captive was a crime..

Imo, its much ado about nothing.. the story line could have been instead about a stripper that got kidnapped so does that demonize stripping? or it could have been someone looking to work in another country at a legit job but forced into slavery so does that demonize working in other countries? or it could have been a teenager walking to school and grabbed so does that demonize attending school or walking in broad daylight?

That episode or similar could just as easily turn people with that bent/inclination onto bdsm also.. No PR is bad PR, as they say..

and geeze.. its tv.. its fiction! do you think cops do all the same detailed, time consuming investigation using fancy equipment and microscopes like they do on CSI??? or do believe those Hareliquin romance novels/movies are real life events too???

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 7:28:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tj444

That is the same episode i watched but what you got out of it was very different from what i got.. the fact that her child was held captive to keep her in line and keep her from leaving tells me in volumes that she was held against her will and I thought keeping 2 people (her kid and her) captive was a crime..


Well, that's a bit grey as neither came out to express that they were being kept against their will. The episode and the BAU pretty much just assumed it, which is failure 1. Failure 2, like I said, there was no actual BDSM relevance in that circumstance. The episode would have worked just as well if he were just some guy who kidnaps her, takes her kid hostage to keep her in line, and etc. What was the point of the headbox scene? BDSM would have had some relevance to the story if the story could have had just a bit more depth and twist to it, like, for example, if she demonstrates to be a masochist. Or it turns out that she'd gone to be with him willingly at first but the situation has now changed to a point where she is in against her will. Even "it wasn't consensual at first but now it works for her, just not with him" would have worked, if they'd just put a few more brush strokes in there.

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and geeze.. its tv.. its fiction! do you think cops do all the same detailed, time consuming investigation using fancy equipment and microscopes like they do on CSI??? or do believe those Hareliquin romance novels/movies are real life events too???


Yea, I know it's fiction :p but I'm discussing the craft and quality of the episode, not so much the subject matter itself.

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 8:08:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Alecta
Yea, I know it's fiction :p but I'm discussing the craft and quality of the episode, not so much the subject matter itself.

its not Shakespeare.. its not a full length movie.. its a weekly show that they have to do as best they can in the limited time they have an move on to the next episode,.. so some episodes wont be totally epic.. you cant expect them all to be.. I think so many of their episodes are very well done however.. Its one of my fav shows and still is, and i started watching it well before it became popular..

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 10:04:33 PM   
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But Shakespeare was pretty hacky too, just so it's out there.

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/12/2012 11:35:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		What I got out of the entire thing was they are portraying BDSM in a bad light. There are way too many vanilla folks that already villify us and the way we live without help from prime time TV. It's bullshit IMO. Sure, it's fiction, but too many people are mindless dronelike lemmings that will take it for face value and not bother to see that the episode was fiction and continue to believe that we and our lifestyle is dah debbil.
It doesn't matter why she was being held captive or what her motives were for staying, in fact they never explained that she was being held against her will at all...for all we know those kids were at a babysitters (aside from the "It's not Christmas" line which I bet a lot of folks didn't even catch)

Meh, whatever.....argue for or against it, either way I thought it was a prety fucked up way to make for "good tv"

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/13/2012 1:22:01 AM   
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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/13/2012 4:32:13 AM   
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Status: offline 		So let's see, the BAU, during the profile stated how "under normal circumstances, the submissive consents and knows "The Company" is just a fantasy."  Seems to me they are quite aware that people openly engage in those activities.

Movies/Television shows about human trafficking often have a BDSM undertone, and the reality is that there is a serious D/s element to those types of things.

Sadly, far too many people who choose to participate in BDSM look everywhere to be "vilified" for their actions.  Apparently, they themselves have some unresolved issues with how they choose to live.  But if you honestly think that shit like this doesn't happen, it is spoken about on these boards all the time.  Not too long ago, there was a young "slave" here who openly talked about how she had been "trained" to not think for herself, was put out to turn tricks for her "master," how he often talked about selling her or swapping her, and upon his death "deeded" her to someone else.  Anyone with half a brain could have read her posts and seen there was some serious problems there, much like what this episode portrayed.

Yes, we consent to the activities we partake in, but many do not and instead are literally beaten into submission, guilted into doing things in the name of being a "good and true submissive/slave,"  and there are more than enough nutcases on this site that tell them their "dominant/master" is correct and only trying to make them "better."  Luckily, there are also enough people who rightly tell them that limits are a good thing that need to be discussed, and at the end of the day, the whole M/s and D/s is a fantasy that two (or more) people agree to play out, but if it suddenly becomes more than a person "signed up for," then no one can make them continue. 

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RE: Criminal Minds FAIL - 4/13/2012 7:24:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Company was a show with a twist. It didn't have anything to do with BDSM or D/s. The Company had everything to do with a stalker who followed a woman and then forced her into servitude and then got her pregnant and used the pregnancy to maintain her. She wasn't a submissive at all. She didn't lose herself or her ego...she was quite strong...and was only consenting to protect her child and to survive. She was in survivor's mode. Soon as she knew she was noticed she began to plan for her escape.

Also, there are crime organizations like "The Company" that use women in what we call Human Trafficking. I can only imagine what they do with the children.

I did see the submissive and dominance implications but I think they made it very clear to respect the BDSM lifestyle by making the show about a crime. Which is what Criminal Minds is about.

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