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fucktoyprincess -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 7:44:27 AM)

I do think "welfare mothers" are an easy target. Poor women. Who live with dependent children who cannot vote. Unbelievably easy targets. I do not dispute that some percent of welfare fraud exists. But I believe in a society that has a social safety net for it's weakest members, however one chooses to define that. And I think a poor mother with young dependent children surely fits that.

The food stamp program has been growing and those who receive cash welfare payments has actually been declining. With the state of the current economy, and its disproportionate impact on women, we have to grapple with the idea of how, as a society, we will assist those in need. The problem is not just going to go away by asking poor women to get jobs. Why not just tell all unemployed Americans to just "go get a job". Again, solving a society's problems requires hard thinking, and also some compassion. Being wealthy enough to stay at home to take care of 5 children - well that makes you a lucky person in the lottery of life. But someone from such privilege should acknowledge that circumstances are not always so lucky for everyone in life. Ann Romney should be talking about how lucky she has been in life instead of supporting the idea of sending poor women with small children to work outside the home. She is unable to even imagine ever needing public assistance. Millions of women lose their husbands income due to divorce, disability, death and have to fend for themselves with young, dependent children at home. I have said it before in these forums, and I will say it again. How a society treats its weakest members says a lot about how enlightened a society is. Forcing the already down trodden into even harsher situations is not anything a wealthy person should be proud about advocating.

http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2010/02/11/us/11foodstamps_graphi.html?ref=us




PatrickG38 -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 7:47:12 AM)

Very well said fuckyoy




OsideGirl -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 7:53:46 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
It is my honest belief that most American women do NOT identify with Ann Romney in any way, shape or form.



Yup. I've busted my ass to get to a point to be able to work for myself. I'm worried about affordable health insurance. I'm worried about the retirement fund that's based on stock market. I'm worried about renovating a house, when no one will give a loan for it. I'm worried about how I'm going to fly home to help my mother after my stepfather dies...and still manage to have an income.

Mitt and Ann are worried about installing the elevator for their cars in the garage of their La Jolla house.




RacerJim -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 7:59:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

She is trying to get some of the womens vote back for the mittster,  is what you should take away from this.


The Obama campaign's, DNC's and women libbers' attacks against Ann Romney are trying to keep more women voters from deserting Obama, is what everyone should take from the Democrats legacy War Against Conservative Women.




PatrickG38 -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:00:03 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
It is my honest belief that most American women do NOT identify with Ann Romney in any way, shape or form.



Yup. I've busted my ass to get to a point to be able to work for myself. I'm worried about affordable health insurance. I'm worried about the retirement fund that's based on stock market. I'm worried about renovating a house, when no one will give a loan for it. I'm worried about how I'm going to fly home to help my mother after my stepfather dies...and still manage to have an income.

Mitt and Ann are worried about installing the elevator for their cars in the garage of their La Jolla house.

in their defense, it is hard to find a good car elevator.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:02:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
It is my honest belief that most American women do NOT identify with Ann Romney in any way, shape or form.



Yup. I've busted my ass to get to a point to be able to work for myself. I'm worried about affordable health insurance. I'm worried about the retirement fund that's based on stock market. I'm worried about renovating a house, when no one will give a loan for it. I'm worried about how I'm going to fly home to help my mother after my stepfather dies...and still manage to have an income.

Mitt and Ann are worried about installing the elevator for their cars in the garage of their La Jolla house.


Is there any way we can use you as the national spokesperson for the economic concerns of women instead of Ann Romney??




RacerJim -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:14:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

And it has to be said. A party that attacks the use of contraception, attacks Planned Parenthood (that largely serves the rural and the poor), attacks abortion, attacks any notion of women being able to plan and control their pregnancies has zero right to then deny those women money to help them raise their children. If you force women of limited means to have children, then I think you have to be responsible for those children.




And you have to be corrected. The Republican Party does not attack the use of contraception, Planned Parenthood (that largely provides abortions), abortion or any notion of women being able to plan and control their pregnancies but, rather, only the Democratic Party's demand that tax-payers pay for a woman chosing any/all the foregoing. If a women is of limited means she should keep her legs crossed.




DomKen -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:22:40 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
Planned Parenthood (that largely provides abortions)

liar




Hillwilliam -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:26:36 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


Planned Parenthood (that largely provides abortions),

#1 That's a bald faced lie.

#2, It's legal, so what? If you think abortion shouldn't be legal because of what some minister told you, you might want to stop trying to wipe your ass with the constitution.




kalikshama -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:29:28 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RacerJim

Planned Parenthood (that largely provides abortions)


"Largely" /= 3%

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kalikshama -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:35:49 AM)

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The Republican Party does not attack the use of contraception


5 Reasons the GOP's Attack on Birth Control Screws Men

How can straight men not see their own interests in this fight?

...there are plenty of reasons why men – especially straight ones, but also anyone who has a straight woman of reproductive age in his life – should be deeply offended at the Right's sudden attempt to stigmatize contraception with this relentless and deeply offensive slut-shaming we've seen of late. Here are five reasons why.

1. Modern Birth Control Methods Help Men Have More Sex

Let's dispense with the obvious first: sex.

In North Carolina this week, commissioners in one county rejected a state grant to cover the costs of family-planning for low-income women and their men. New Hanover County Chairman Ted Davis told the Wilmington Star-News, “If these young women are being responsible and didn’t have the sex to begin with, we wouldn’t have this problem.”

Any red-blooded straight dude should be absolutely appalled by such a prospect.

While there was never a more "innocent" time when people only had sex within the bounds of matrimony (that's just a cherished conservative myth) it is the case that when premarital (or peri-marital, or extra-marital) sex came with significant risk of pregnancy, and a ton of social stigma attached to it, women were a lot choosier. If you're a straight man with an active sex life, you should be outraged that social conservatives are trying to shame women for using birth control, and thus trying to put a crimp in your game.




OsideGirl -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:43:12 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim
Planned Parenthood (that largely provides abortions)


Have you actually ever even been inside of a Planned Parenthood?

You're flat out wrong.

And FYI, when I was fresh out of college working minimum wage and my health insurance wouldn't cover birth control....that's where I went to get my birth control pills.




OsideGirl -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 8:46:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess


quote:

ORIGINAL: OsideGirl


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess
It is my honest belief that most American women do NOT identify with Ann Romney in any way, shape or form.



Yup. I've busted my ass to get to a point to be able to work for myself. I'm worried about affordable health insurance. I'm worried about the retirement fund that's based on stock market. I'm worried about renovating a house, when no one will give a loan for it. I'm worried about how I'm going to fly home to help my mother after my stepfather dies...and still manage to have an income.

Mitt and Ann are worried about installing the elevator for their cars in the garage of their La Jolla house.


Is there any way we can use you as the national spokesperson for the economic concerns of women instead of Ann Romney??


LMAO...I like kinky sex, own a hand gun, support gay marriage and believe that refined carbs are evil. Both sides would hate me.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 12:42:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RacerJim


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

And it has to be said. A party that attacks the use of contraception, attacks Planned Parenthood (that largely serves the rural and the poor), attacks abortion, attacks any notion of women being able to plan and control their pregnancies has zero right to then deny those women money to help them raise their children. If you force women of limited means to have children, then I think you have to be responsible for those children.




And you have to be corrected. The Republican Party does not attack the use of contraception, Planned Parenthood (that largely provides abortions), abortion or any notion of women being able to plan and control their pregnancies but, rather, only the Democratic Party's demand that tax-payers pay for a woman chosing any/all the foregoing. If a women is of limited means she should keep her legs crossed.


You are entitled to your own version of reality if you choose. But most people, even my Republican friends would strongly disagree with you. The attacks that have gone on (for decades) from the right on things like birth control, abortion, and Planned Parenthood have only partially been about "funding". Underlying the funding issue is a deep rooted conservatism about issues around sexuality, birth control, abortion and women's health. The right-wingers who picket abortion clinics, the right-wingers who have shot and killed doctors who provide women's health care all vote Republican. And they are not worried about "funding". Continue to live in the land of your mythical creation. Obviously, it suits you.




kalikshama -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 2:33:12 PM)

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Marini -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 2:40:33 PM)

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But I do think the ultimate fall out here will hurt Romney more than the Democrats. It is my honest belief that most American women do NOT identify with Ann Romney in any way, shape or form.



ftp, you rock!

Very,very,very,very,very few American women can relate to Ann Romney, in any way, shape, or form.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 9:25:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

So Mitt Romney is on record as recently as January for saying that women on welfare need to get jobs, even if they have young children. More specifically, he said, ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’.

And Ann Romney is on record as saying, "My career choice was to be a mother, and I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices women make".

So choices are respected as long as the woman in question is wealthy? Is that what I'm supposed to glean from this?


WTF??????

I don't give a flying fuck about Romney, but you're pissed off because he said people on the dole should try to get off? That they should try to get jobs?

"Even if they have young children".

WTF??????

You want these folks to teach their children that living off the govt. tit is a good thing?????

Are you smoking crack?

And by the way....WT flying F! has her being wealthy have to do with a GAWDamn thing?

She's fucking rich.

She's BEYOND fucking rich.

So fucking what?

She raised 5 boys.

She was married to a rich motherfucker....she married well.

And?





Fightdirecto -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/17/2012 11:10:15 PM)

From my friend Paula Poundstone (via Facebook):

quote:

There is one big difference between Ann Romney and almost all other stay-at-home moms in America -

Ann Romney's biggest problem is deciding which of her 7 homes to stay-at-home in.




kalikshama -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/18/2012 6:14:31 AM)

And THAT is what Hilary Rosen failed to convey.




fucktoyprincess -> RE: Ann and Mitt - what a team.... (4/18/2012 6:30:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LookieNoNookie


quote:

ORIGINAL: fucktoyprincess

So Mitt Romney is on record as recently as January for saying that women on welfare need to get jobs, even if they have young children. More specifically, he said, ‘No, no, I’m willing to spend more giving daycare to allow those parents to go back to work. It’ll cost the state more providing that daycare, but I want the individuals to have the dignity of work.’.

And Ann Romney is on record as saying, "My career choice was to be a mother, and I think all of us need to know that we need to respect the choices women make".

So choices are respected as long as the woman in question is wealthy? Is that what I'm supposed to glean from this?


WTF??????

I don't give a flying fuck about Romney, but you're pissed off because he said people on the dole should try to get off? That they should try to get jobs?

"Even if they have young children".

WTF??????

You want these folks to teach their children that living off the govt. tit is a good thing?????

Are you smoking crack?

And by the way....WT flying F! has her being wealthy have to do with a GAWDamn thing?

She's fucking rich.

She's BEYOND fucking rich.

So fucking what?

She raised 5 boys.

She was married to a rich motherfucker....she married well.

And?




I am concerned about the hypocrisy involved here. If he believes being a stay-at-home mother IS work then fine. His policies should reflect that. The fact that you do not understand this (something which, btw, is being discussed in the mainstream media - this exact topic) is surprising to me. And he did not say he wanted them to get off of welfare. NO. Please read the thread carefully. What he said was that they would have to work in order to be ELIGIBLE for WELFARE. In other words Romney would like to have the state PAY to send women with young children to work so that the women CAN COLLECT WELFARE. So our tax dollars are still being spent, but in a way that truly makes no sense. Romney's policy would NOT save us any money as taxpayers. IS THIS NOW CLEAR???

In addition, the fact that you have no concern for those who are in a disadvantaged situation speaks volumes about who you are as a person. A civilized society is one that takes care of those who are in need. I will repeat what I said earlier in this thread:

The food stamp program has been growing and those who receive cash welfare payments has actually been declining. With the state of the current economy, and its disproportionate impact on women, we have to grapple with the idea of how, as a society, we will assist those in need. The problem is not just going to go away by asking poor women to get jobs. Why not just tell all unemployed Americans to just "go get a job". Again, solving a society's problems requires hard thinking, and also some compassion. Being wealthy enough to stay at home to take care of 5 children - well that makes you a lucky person in the lottery of life. But someone from such privilege should acknowledge that circumstances are not always so lucky for everyone in life. Ann Romney should be talking about how lucky she has been in life instead of supporting the idea of sending poor women with small children to work outside the home. She is unable to even imagine ever needing public assistance. Millions of women lose their husbands income due to divorce, disability, death and have to fend for themselves with young, dependent children at home. I have said it before in these forums, and I will say it again. How a society treats its weakest members says a lot about how enlightened a society is. Forcing the already down trodden into even harsher situations is not anything a wealthy person should be proud about advocating.




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