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JstAnotherSub -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 4:57:22 AM)

Dude, let it go already.

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RedMagic1 -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 7:28:36 AM)

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ORIGINAL: CastleRock32
I'm okay with the police doing the talking. I'm not crazy about it, but hospital staff (as far as I know) are not trained in any investigative interviewing.

How, then, do we deal with genuine DV victims who also insist that their husband (stereotypically speaking) really didn't do anything wrong?

I don't have a full answer for you, but you might be interested in something a police investigator said where I live. Not an exact quote, but more or less: "When we're called to a domestic disturbance, we look for broken furniture. If it's a consensual sex game, all the plates are in the cabinets, and nothing is broken, even if the people are beat up. If it's domestic violence, prized possessions are damaged too."




kalikshama -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 8:12:05 AM)

Do broken bedframes count? [8D]




outhere69 -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 9:38:30 AM)

I bet they would express admiration!




JanahX -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 3:00:05 PM)

Hmmm I dont see where any of it would hold up in a court of law (US) considering the slave is not recognized in the first place.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution officially outlaws slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. It was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House on January 31, 1865, and adopted on December 6, 1865. On December 18, Secretary of State William H. Seward proclaimed it to have been adopted. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted after the American Civil War.

The Thirteenth Amendment completed the abolition of slavery in the United States, which had begun with President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.




Alecta -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 3:27:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JanahX

Hmmm I dont see where any of it would hold up in a court of law (US) considering the slave is not recognized in the first place.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution officially outlaws slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. It was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House on January 31, 1865, and adopted on December 6, 1865. On December 18, Secretary of State William H. Seward proclaimed it to have been adopted. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted after the American Civil War.

The Thirteenth Amendment completed the abolition of slavery in the United States, which had begun with President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.



Wait, "except as punishment for a crime"? That's interesting. Is it still in effect? Does this technically mean a Court of Law can order someone into slavery as punishment for a crime still?




subbyinlosangele -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 3:50:45 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alecta


quote:

ORIGINAL: JanahX

Hmmm I dont see where any of it would hold up in a court of law (US) considering the slave is not recognized in the first place.

The Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution officially outlaws slavery and involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime. It was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, by the House on January 31, 1865, and adopted on December 6, 1865. On December 18, Secretary of State William H. Seward proclaimed it to have been adopted. It was the first of the three Reconstruction Amendments adopted after the American Civil War.

The Thirteenth Amendment completed the abolition of slavery in the United States, which had begun with President Abraham Lincoln issuing the Emancipation Proclamation in 1863.



Wait, "except as punishment for a crime"? That's interesting. Is it still in effect? Does this technically mean a Court of Law can order someone into slavery as punishment for a crime still?

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involuntary servitude, except as punishment for a crime



They wouldn't order someone into slavery. This refers primarily to the practice of sentencing someone to hard labor. For example, in the early 1900s, prisoners were sometimes leased out to coal mines and farms where they were required to work. I believe the only place that sentences of hard labor are still used is the military.




Alecta -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 3:58:32 PM)

I didn't mean BDSM slavery.
Hard labour wouldn't count as slavery if they were duly and fairly (as determined by law) compensated for the work, would it? I was under the impression that prisoners were given a stipend for work performed during time served.
No, I didn't think they'd order anyone into slavery in North America, I'm just curious now about that phrasing.




subbyinlosangele -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 4:19:27 PM)

I had not even sure what people are debating in this thread, but a slave contract is not enforceable in the sense that you can require someone who signs such a contract to adhere to the terms. However, such documents have been used in court to the benefit of the dom when the submissive was hurt (even prominently in a murder case), because it indicated the act may have been consensual. That said, none of this stuff is on really solid footing from a legal standpoint. As others have said, the law can vary widely from country to country, state to state, and jurisdiction to jurisdiction. One subtle detail in a particular case can make all the difference.





Alecta -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 4:24:43 PM)

I think we're just discussing the subject in general, with various tangents.




subbyinlosangele -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 4:34:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alecta

I didn't mean BDSM slavery.
Hard labour wouldn't count as slavery if they were duly and fairly (as determined by law) compensated for the work, would it? I was under the impression that prisoners were given a stipend for work performed during time served.
No, I didn't think they'd order anyone into slavery in North America, I'm just curious now about that phrasing.




As I said, in the early 1900s prisoners were, in essence, forced into slavery. They were leased to farms, mines, and such, where they were required to do hard labor. And they weren't compensated for it. But I believe it's been 70 or 80 years since that stuff happened on a federal level.

It's also been argued that chain gangs in the south were one way of African America servitude in spite of the 13th amendment. And they weren't paid either. But the chain gangs were phased out decades ago.

So, in reality, prisoners in the United States have, at times, been forced into slavery, but those practices are long over -- except in the military. The rules on what constitutes hard labor in the military are vague, but in the last decade there have been cases of soldiers being convicted and forced to perform hard labor until their hands bled.




RedMagic1 -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 4:47:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subbyinlosangele
So, in reality, prisoners in the United States have, at times, been forced into slavery, but those practices are long over

I swear, this thread has more people talking out of their ass than any other on the boards.

Alecta, the "except as punishment for crime" part of the 13th Amendment is the reason prisoners in the US can be paid $0 per hour, and/or far below minimum wage. Activists have been trying to change the Amendment's wording for 100 years, and there was an increased movement in the 1970s.

One link: http://www.prisonpolicy.org/prisonindex/prisonlabor.html




Alecta -> RE: slave contract (4/22/2012 5:10:43 PM)

Thanks for the very interesting link, Red.
Philosophically speaking, I feel that while it is wrong for someone to "benefit" from the "guaranteed employment" of the prison system, it is also wrong to exploit them that way. Ideally, I think prisoners should be worked and paid fairly, which I would consider to be up to 20% below local minimum wage, and the wages garnished with a set weekly amount towards maintenance of the prison, a percentage towards compensation of the prisoner's victims, and leaving a minimum scaled amount guaranteed to him on his release. But trusting prisoners to make things for the military... that's just bad management.




CastleRock32 -> RE: slave contract (4/23/2012 1:11:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RedMagic1

quote:

ORIGINAL: CastleRock32
I'm okay with the police doing the talking. I'm not crazy about it, but hospital staff (as far as I know) are not trained in any investigative interviewing.

How, then, do we deal with genuine DV victims who also insist that their husband (stereotypically speaking) really didn't do anything wrong?

I don't have a full answer for you, but you might be interested in something a police investigator said where I live. Not an exact quote, but more or less: "When we're called to a domestic disturbance, we look for broken furniture. If it's a consensual sex game, all the plates are in the cabinets, and nothing is broken, even if the people are beat up. If it's domestic violence, prized possessions are damaged too."


Thanks Red. Having done some investigative interviewing myself in the professional world, it seemed like there had to be a basic common sense way to approach it. Glad some out there are doing so!




TorbayDominant -> RE: slave contract (4/24/2012 9:21:38 AM)

This should help you...

http://bestslavetraining.com/about/cuffsmasters-domain/rules-of-submission




Bhruic -> RE: slave contract (4/24/2012 11:44:55 PM)

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stef -> RE: slave contract (6/24/2012 9:50:54 PM)

You're all a big bunch of bullies!!!!!

https://fetlife.com/groups/4164/group_posts/2652145




kitkat105 -> RE: slave contract (6/25/2012 3:09:16 AM)

I think you need to not dig up old threads!





NiceButMeanGirl -> RE: slave contract (6/25/2012 4:03:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: stef

You're all a big bunch of bullies!!!!!

https://fetlife.com/groups/4164/group_posts/2652145

I saw that thread too and I posted on it. Some people will bitch about just about anyting. [8|]




Whiplashsmile4 -> RE: slave contract (6/25/2012 10:31:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ResidentSadist
^ ya but does it have the "128 slave rules" in in... no!
[:D]


I hear the 256 rule edition will be out soon...




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