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CougarRick -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 12:05:40 AM)
Not sure if this is relevant to the topic, but I think the idea of having my virginity taken by a dominant older woman would be the ultimate fantasy. I like the idea of someone who is bossy, domineering and perhaps a bit of a bitch just telling me she is going to take my virginity whether I am ready or not, and then using me for her satisfaction and training me.

AngelOfSilence -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 6:34:25 AM)
What I find a turn off is when being a virgin is so much a part of their self-identity that they announce the fact to the whole world.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 12:55:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus I am reminded of the self-identified masochists who have never played, but are looking for a sadist. I did tell you the story of the guy who wanted to be whipped with a bull whip and claimed to have so much experience, he was almost pissed off when I told him I won't do it without a warm up and a good single tail will be enough, he saveworded out during the warm up (spanking - bare hands - I'm not weak but not THAT strong and it was still really really mild, more just gentle warm up slaps to his bottom) and screamed hell and bloody murder. Turned out that his experience was watching an OWK video A LOT... I tried to keep a straight face, I honestly did...

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 12:56:30 PM)
Yeah, I have met those kinds of men, LC! But I have met a few that were pretty hardcore right out of the gate, but VERY few. And I suspect that they were joshing about their lack of experience.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 1:54:26 PM)
Sometimes you find somebody who takes to it naturally, though that doesn't happen very often...

lthrpup -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 4:16:22 PM)
Ladies Constanze and Hibiscus, Am I reading your responses accurately when I assume you are specifying men who overestimated their pain threshold? Or did you mean to include also psychological reactions to activity in which a man's pain tolerance was not reached. Do the reactions to pain and the psychological impact correspond or are they separate issues that can go either way independent of each other?

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 4:36:17 PM)
We're both talking about men who claimed experience that they did not have, akin to online players who find that whips actually HURT in realtime. I have also run across men who claim limited experience who were actually "leather hard', as it were, and couldnt feel anything lighter than a sjambok. Not sure what either hopes to gain from lying... I do think the person's mindset has a lot to do with how they process an experience. As a silly example, i have these teeny clothespins that are great for making a penis into a porcupine. They leave adorable little bite mark bruises! My non-sub playmate loved it, and was thrilled with the whole procedure. Slavey guy was all, Mistress! It's going to fall off! Both of them knew perfectly well what a sadistic freak I am but one wanted attention, and processed pain that way, and other was wired for humiliation and pain endurance, so ow ow ow.

TNDommeK -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 4:45:20 PM)
I don't thing I would mind either way. To Me, the mental aspect is more important, how many people they have been with is of no consequence.

Soyokaze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 4:54:10 PM)
First time anyone played with me it was a one off thing with a guy that was really into spanking/paddling/caning. I ended up with severe bruises and he seemed really impressed with me... I wonder if he thought I was lying about my inexperience. Granted, there's been other times where I'm much more wimpy too (my mood seems to have a lot to do with it) and back then I was a much less responsive bottom which seemed to give me a lot more pain tolerance. Then again even now I'm rather inexperienced (could count on hands and toes). Going from one bad relationship to another didn't leave much room for playing over the years : (

mummyman321 -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 7:43:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus We're both talking about men who claimed experience that they did not have, akin to online players who find that whips actually HURT in realtime. I have also run across men who claim limited experience who were actually "leather hard', as it were, and couldnt feel anything lighter than a sjambok. Not sure what either hopes to gain from lying... I do think the person's mindset has a lot to do with how they process an experience. As a silly example, i have these teeny clothespins that are great for making a penis into a porcupine. They leave adorable little bite mark bruises! My non-sub playmate loved it, and was thrilled with the whole procedure. Slavey guy was all, Mistress! It's going to fall off! Both of them knew perfectly well what a sadistic freak I am but one wanted attention, and processed pain that way, and other was wired for humiliation and pain endurance, so ow ow ow. LC / Hibbie, Did you alternate between pain/pleasure or just straight pain? If I can focus on the Domme's voice and a soft touch here/there I found that is greatly increased my capacity on how much I could take. Also have you ever taken a guy or gal for that matter to the point where he/she was mind fucked enough they could no longer tell the difference between what was pain and what was pleasure?

LadyConstanze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 7:57:23 PM)
Oh the not being able to tell the difference is delicious... LOL But in the one case I mentioned, the guy tried to convince me he could take a bullwhipping without a warm-up and he had plenty of experience... Err yes, I am sure he was experienced in jerking off to the OWK video, it's just that watching a video doesn't really hurt...

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 7:57:25 PM)
I am not a sensual sort of gal, unless I'm making love.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:02:15 PM)
Oh but they are able to take so much more if you whisper encouraging words and remind them they're taking the pain for you, and a gentle stroke or touch just makes them endure a lot more pain...

mummyman321 -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:04:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Oh the not being able to tell the difference is delicious... LOL But in the one case I mentioned, the guy tried to convince me he could take a bullwhipping without a warm-up and he had plenty of experience... Err yes, I am sure he was experienced in jerking off to the OWK video, it's just that watching a video doesn't really hurt... I have never had the pleasure of a bull whip. And I am pretty darn sure I do not want to either LOL

mummyman321 -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:05:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus I am not a sensual sort of gal, unless I'm making love. hmmm......I might need some help from the Chickie then. :)

LadyConstanze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:28:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mummyman321 quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Oh the not being able to tell the difference is delicious... LOL But in the one case I mentioned, the guy tried to convince me he could take a bullwhipping without a warm-up and he had plenty of experience... Err yes, I am sure he was experienced in jerking off to the OWK video, it's just that watching a video doesn't really hurt... I have never had the pleasure of a bull whip. And I am pretty darn sure I do not want to either LOL To be honest, wouldn't swing one, you need a lot of space to practice with it and in the UK the neighbours might give me strange looks if I'd do it outside, nice single tails or dressage whips are quite sufficient... Which reminds me of a real funny story, found some prime whips in an antique shop, very old but in mint condition and carefully hand braided, bought both of them for about £100 (a real steal) and the owner said she bought them when an estate went on sale, they are well oiled, brand new, looked up the maker and they went out of business after WWI, one is too long so I can't practice with it in the garage, but the other one is fine, sort of right between a single tail and a bull whip. H watches me and proclaims loudly that it's easy, so I show him that I can switch the light on and off with it by hitting the switch. He again decides that it's easy and all this talk about accuracy and difficulty, greatly exaggerated blah blah... He grabs the thing, tries to hit the light switch but somehow it gets the neon overhead light and sparks are flying and the next thing I hear is loud howls as he didn't count on the backlash, it wrapped and he had a really nice welt for a few weeks - he never claimed it's easy again ;)

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:36:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Oh but they are able to take so much more if you whisper encouraging words and remind them they're taking the pain for you, and a gentle stroke or touch just makes them endure a lot more pain... I said I wasnt sensual, not that I wasnt skilled [:D] I'm a sadist, though, and I just don't get much from those who can't handle it. Which isnt to say sensation play isnt perfectly grand with the right partner, too.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:38:02 PM)
There's a local group that does whip throwing. I've never thrown a long whip, and my vision is such that I doubt I'll learn. I'm happy with my singletail and my signal whip.

LadyConstanze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/9/2012 8:49:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Oh but they are able to take so much more if you whisper encouraging words and remind them they're taking the pain for you, and a gentle stroke or touch just makes them endure a lot more pain... I said I wasnt sensual, not that I wasnt skilled [:D] I'm a sadist, though, and I just don't get much from those who can't handle it. Which isnt to say sensation play isnt perfectly grand with the right partner, too. Ah but for me it's such a nice and sadistic pleasure to actually turn them into masos and to crave the pain because they so want my approval ;)

Soyokaze -> RE: Virgin subs or slaves (5/10/2012 3:13:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mummyman321 I have never had the pleasure of a bull whip. And I am pretty darn sure I do not want to either LOL Same, those things scare the crap out of me so much they make me hesitant about single tails in general.

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