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subspaceseven -> Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 7:14:51 AM)

It seems every GOP running for President has had more and more positive news coverage than our president. Seems there are many many many people out there that insist the news favors the "liberals" more. Something I have never agreed with, I mean look owns most of the media...giant corporations, and it seems they would want to protect their own interests over facts.

http://www.journalism.org/commentary_backgrounder/pejs_election_report

Even the Sunday new shows have far more people supporting the GOP on their shows than anyone, and it seems the favorite type of guest is white conservative males

According to the study, published in the April issue of FAIR's magazine Extra!:

Of one-on-one interviews, 70 percent of partisan-affiliated guests were Republican. Those guests were overwhelmingly male (86 percent) and white (92 percent).

The broader roundtable segments weren't much more diverse: 62 percent of partisan-affiliated guests were Republican. More broadly, guests classified as either Republican or conservative far outnumbered Democrats or progressives, 282 to 164. The roundtables were 71 percent male and 85 percent white.

U.S. government sources--current officials, former lawmakers, political candidates, party-affiliated political operatives and campaign advisers--dominated the Sunday shows overall (47 percent of appearances). Following closely behind were journalists (43 percent), most of whom were middle-of-the-road Beltway political reporters.




SilverBoat -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 7:21:26 AM)

That's because the big-media outlets are controlled by big-corporations, and because it serves the rightwings' supposedly 'conservative' psychosocial schemes to portray themselves as 'victims' of the anything and anybody they can try to accuse of being liberal.

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Fightdirecto -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 7:34:23 AM)

The "Liberal Press" or "Liberal Media Bias" is a myth created by the Right-Wing-controlled media.

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As Kander & Ebb put it in the musical "Chicago":

"Give 'em the old razzle-dazzle and they'll never catch wise..."




Yachtie -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 7:44:05 AM)

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The Liberal Press is a myth promulgated by the Grand Right Wing Conspiracy being itself a phrase coined by the Liberal Progressive establishment to suit its own purposes.

It's all one giant circle jerk no matter which hand is involved.




Mupainurpleasure -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 8:18:48 AM)

it's been an effective propaganda tool and has led to widespread substitution of propaganda outlets that are unreliable at best. Look at Biggoverment. Briebart would of laughed off the public stage if he was editing tape to create flase stories 20 yrs ago now a vicous hate monger does and gets eulogized in Congress. Rush? TheBlaze? Hannitty...please no respect for truth. I thought Rushes condemnation of Obama for aiding in stopping the Lords army and the acusations it was his anti christian muslimness behind it brilliant propaganda to remind us Obamais the other. Of course there is no more vile group in the workld than the Lords army Limbaugh was defensing as christian freedome fighters but he got to tell the dittoheads a narrative to reinforce their prejudices.

It hads been such an effecve tool I have a frie nd who works for a non profit for minimum wage, has two special needs kids, has pre existing health conditons and his wife is on unemployment who hates Obama and thinks he is self reliant despite a republican opposed minimum wage law, w kids on subsidized stae insurance, him getitn prescription asistance and his wife on unemployment. he votes againt himself because his news is Fox. I love Fox every once in a while ,they forget to chabge a word ortwo and just read the republicantalking pooints of the day




Owner59 -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 8:19:07 AM)

Of course......that`s right wing bullshit......


There`s one choice you missed, Flight.


When caught,........ and called on their stupidity,like attacking woman`s rights,the rightist will say something really lame like......." both parties are F`d up" or "they`re all the same" or" there`s no difference between the two parties"......


But then talk about taxes,or climate change,or voting rights, or gun laws,or energy,or gay marriage or any number of present issues and we find out quickly that there are HUGE differences between the parties.

But the biggest and most abused excuse/coping method for why cons come off so badly in the media is some sort of mysterious,powerful ,un-known,un-named liberal mastermind(s) pulling strings behind the scenes to slant or shade a report in a "liberal" way.

Of course....it`s NEVER the conduct of said republicans being reported, on that`s to blame.......<whispers angrily>it`s the liberal media!

Even with their own tv network to tell any story the way they want(they don`t actually report stories as the claim,they read and then reread other reporter`s news stories w/ a rightwing spin)they still can`t make any head way......they still look awful.Lol.....

What`s a propagandist to do?[sm=dunno.gif]




papassion -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 11:04:52 AM)


The internet is making all the news organizations honest. When Dan Rather and his producer got fired for that phony story about George Bush, it was an internet guy who was a typewriter repairman, who pointed out the particular letterball used to print the phony document, wasn't yet manufactured on the dates shown on the document.

The internet can expose a phony network story to a large audience right away. The networks have lost their ability to control the news and they don't like it. Watch for the government to come up with some kind of way, high fees, national security, or some other lame way to gain control of the internet.




subrob1967 -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 11:33:29 AM)

Perhaps it's because Obama is the incumbent, and doesn't have a challenger? Or that Obama hasn't done anything news worthy, other than jet set around the globe, campaigning on the people's dime?

Right now the GOP nomination battle is the only political news worth reporting, now that Romney is the "chosen one", everyone wants to predict his campaign strategy. Obama will get his fluff coverage and softball questions soon enough.




Lucylastic -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 11:49:07 AM)

and thats what right leaning media have fed you...congrats on proving it




Moonhead -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 12:11:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

Perhaps it's because Obama is the incumbent, and doesn't have a challenger? Or that Obama hasn't done anything news worthy, other than jet set around the globe, campaigning on the people's dime?

Those healthcare reforms weren't newsworthy, then?
That's a surprise given all the blather on Faux about that stuff...




kalikshama -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 12:38:51 PM)

Pundit Accuracy


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Mupainurpleasure -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 12:49:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: papassion


The internet is making all the news organizations honest. When Dan Rather and his producer got fired for that phony story about George Bush, it was an internet guy who was a typewriter repairman, who pointed out the particular letterball used to print the phony document, wasn't yet manufactured on the dates shown on the document.

The internet can expose a phony network story to a large audience right away. The networks have lost their ability to control the news and they don't like it. Watch for the government to come up with some kind of way, high fees, national security, or some other lame way to gain control of the internet.
yes, it is too bad Fox regularly is gulty of egregious "mistakes" of similar magnitude and no one looses there job. You ghave a perfect example of mjainstream media demanding standarsds and right wing propaganda refusing to. Because the internet says a story is phoney doesnt make it so. just look at News of mthe nut, Jihad watch, the blaze. Christ they had some clown accusing the President of hating whits, another anchort saying his fist bump was a terrorist fist bump, the whole sherod thing where no one was held accountable, the constant labeling of repubublicans as democrats when caught in a scandal. They literally read republican talking points verbatim as news http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/02/29/jon-stewart-slams-fox-news-for-basing-talking-points-on-rnc-memo/ typos and all. it isnt news. is your belief the internet keeps the network honest based on just the rather story? If not I'd love to hear the other serious ethics lapse in MSM of the kind that are sop at Faux. If the news you hear is always the news you agree with as reported it isnt news. PBS- WaPo- NYT- hard news analyiss labeled as analysis. the majors not enough time. The cable networks sad places to reafirm political leanings not get news. AM radio utterly bereft of anything but propaganda and faulty logic arguments




TheHeretic -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 6:57:06 PM)

Where is the liberal press? Right in the same place where liberals have been seeing it as the comfortable staus quo for for decades. In the composition of the newsroom staff, and the editorial boards, and the people who book Sunday show guests that the hosts can poke, and prod, and try to get to say something stupid.

Jesus H. Christ, people. Confirmation bias is fine and natural, but maybe apply just a hint of reason? The booking numbers presented are just as easily evidence of the bias, if you feel the need to argue the case. Or, if we apply that hint of reason, and look for the simple, face value explanation, an indicator that the discussion this primary season is all on the Republican side.





dcnovice -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 9:12:48 PM)

FR

A few stray thoughts from a brain that should be in bed:

-- Discerning the bias(es) of the press first requires defining the press--an increasingly slippery topic. Is talk radio part of the press? Does Daily Kos count? How 'bout the Drudge Report? Or all those opinion-based shows on "news" stations? And what on Earth do we make of Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert?

-- The newspaper with the highest circulation in the United States appears to be the Wall Street Journal, which is not demonstrably liberal. (I say "appears," because sources vary, but the WSJ came on on top most often.)

-- No discussion of American media is complete without William Randolph Hearst, whose newspapers reflecting his changing views. from populist to anti-FDR conservative.

-- According to a table at WheretodoResearch.com, 138 major dailies endorsed George W. Bush in 2000. Only 52 endorsed Gore.

-- As noted earlier in the thread, the Internet can play a key role in fact-checking traditional news outlets, and I think that's great. I worry, though, about the Web's role in balkanizing the transmission of news, with the result that the populace no longer has a shared set of facts to work from. The balkanization of "facts" can lead to truly bizarre results, such as large chunks of our population believing that the President is a Muslim. How can pne possibly hope to find common policy ground--and, Lord, we need to fast--when we can't even agree on basic facts of reality?

All this to say that easy generalizations may falter while venturing over this rugged terrain.




Zonie63 -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/23/2012 10:22:29 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: subspaceseven

It seems every GOP running for President has had more and more positive news coverage than our president. Seems there are many many many people out there that insist the news favors the "liberals" more. Something I have never agreed with, I mean look owns most of the media...giant corporations, and it seems they would want to protect their own interests over facts.

http://www.journalism.org/commentary_backgrounder/pejs_election_report

Even the Sunday new shows have far more people supporting the GOP on their shows than anyone, and it seems the favorite type of guest is white conservative males

According to the study, published in the April issue of FAIR's magazine Extra!:

Of one-on-one interviews, 70 percent of partisan-affiliated guests were Republican. Those guests were overwhelmingly male (86 percent) and white (92 percent).

The broader roundtable segments weren't much more diverse: 62 percent of partisan-affiliated guests were Republican. More broadly, guests classified as either Republican or conservative far outnumbered Democrats or progressives, 282 to 164. The roundtables were 71 percent male and 85 percent white.

U.S. government sources--current officials, former lawmakers, political candidates, party-affiliated political operatives and campaign advisers--dominated the Sunday shows overall (47 percent of appearances). Following closely behind were journalists (43 percent), most of whom were middle-of-the-road Beltway political reporters.


I guess it all depends on how one defines "liberal," and whether one automatically assumes that "liberal" = "Democrat" and "conservative" = "Republican." The categories can also be narrowed down to differentiate between social issues and economic issues, as there are plenty of fiscal conservatives who are also social liberals.

I would say that the "old guard" of conservatism probably died out during the FDR-Truman era. There are few, if any, isolationists among the Republicans anymore, and I don't know a single Republican who would call for abolishing social security these days. It used to be that the Republicans were considered the party of peace and prosperity, while it was the Democrats who were lambasted as warmongers, but now, it's the Republicans who are considered warmongers.

Similarly, the Democrats have also gone through major changes. At one time, they were known as the party of the working man, although now, they don't even seem to be that anymore. Just like the old guard of conservatism which fizzled out a generation earlier, the old guard of liberalism fizzled out during the Reagan-Bush era, culminating with pseudo-liberal Bill Clinton muscling his fellow Democrats into pushing the anti-labor NAFTA through Congress. I once heard it said that the Democrats were no longer the party of the working man, but instead, they became the party of the non-working man.

I expected the Ronnie Robots to support NAFTA, as they were always a pretty shameless bunch, but once the Democrats led by Clinton supported it, too, that seemed like a wanton betrayal of liberal Democratic beliefs. I started to hate the Democrats even more than I hated the Republicans, solely because of NAFTA.

As for the media, I would say that their "center" right now is fiscally conservative while being socially liberal. The perception that the press is considered "liberal" probably goes back a few decades. CBS used to be referred to as the "Communist Broadcasting System," as they opposed McCarthy and supported the civil rights movement, along with having their lead anchor say that the Vietnam War could not be won. Then there were all those anti-war songs being produced by the recording industry and broadcast over the airwaves. No doubt that also contributed to perceptions that the media are/were "liberal," at least from a certain point of view. But that viewpoint has become somewhat fossilized these days, although that doesn't seem to stop very many people from railing on and on about the "liberal media."

All in all, at the establishment level, both liberals and conservatives aren't really what they seem. Conservatives have been known to "tax and spend" freely on their own pet issues (esp. when it comes to the Defense Department), while liberals have also been known to be warmongers and rigid "law and order" types. Neither of them really have any kind of coherent, consistent ideology anymore, and they're more alike than they are different.

I think the whole liberal/conservative dichotomy is the true opiate of the masses these days. Wealthy elites from both parties are pulling the wool over the eyes of their respective constituencies, paying lip service to the people and telling them what they want to hear. As for the media, they make their money precisely by telling people what they want to hear, so they're definitely part of the political establishment. The "liberals" criticize them for being "conservative," while the "conservatives" criticize them for being "liberal." But they're all together, laughing at the little people behind our backs.

Back in the 1960s and 70s, people were starting to see through that crap, but something happened during the Reagan era which has blinded most rank-and-file liberals and conservatives nowadays. The younger crowd of political activists seem like nothing more than political drones these days. They're kind of a disappointment, although I can't criticize them too much, since the Baby Boomers already sold out decades ago. But at least the Boomers waited until they turned 30.








joether -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/24/2012 3:37:07 AM)

I always find it amusing when conservative foam at the mouth and blame everything on those 'liberal media' types. Just to ask them if they know where the word 'liberal' comes from? And most of them dont know, being the uneducated hicks they are. I've heard the answers as 'it comes from socialism/communism', 'its elitist speak for 'very wealthy and against capitalism'. It is when I say the word's origin is Latin, that makes them stop twice as bewildered than moments previously. To which I then add, "The word means 'Freedom' or 'To be Free'". So, these conservatives, stating they are against the 'Liberal Media' are saying they are against 'Free Media' and in turn, are demanding 'State-Run Media that is controlled and regulated by the federal goverment'.

They just wish to have the freedom to any anything without an ounce of responsibility or accountibily, but hold liberals and Democrats to every ounce spoken and written. In other words, they demand everyone do as they so, but dont do as they do. Just a bunch of ignorant hypocrits.




papassion -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/24/2012 7:45:12 AM)


Here we go, more "liberal" blathering about how conservatives are uneducated hicks, stupid, etc, etc. Look at the screen at the bottom of the Ed Schultz show and you will see Liberal's posts rolling on. Most with the same constant, uneducated, stupid, theme over and over. Facts are, These people were too dumb to hack science and engineering courses so they had to drop down to social studies, history, Spanish, psycology, etc. the "easy" courses.

Then when their easy major only qualifies them for a 25,000/yr job, they are jealous of of the science and engineering majors making $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ so they rant and rave about how unfair the system is. Then scream we should tax those $$$$$$$$$$ people more!




Moonhead -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/24/2012 8:15:33 AM)

Science and engineering majors make more than MBAs, do they?




Zonie63 -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/24/2012 11:02:38 AM)

Actually, I've known quite a few science and engineering majors who were pretty darn liberal. Conservatives tend to be business and economics majors, although a lot of conservatives I know are blue collar as well, never having attended college.

Both sides have their highly educated partisans, as well as their share of laborers, menial workers, burger flippers, etc. When people choose to be liberal or conservative, I think it's more a question of personal values more than whatever level of education they've attained. But this doesn't seem to stop the partisanship where conservatives are labeled as "uneducated hicks," while the liberals are labeled "ditzy airheads from the Land of Fruits and Nuts." [:D]

What strikes me about conservatives is that they seem to be more malleable over the course of time, becoming more and more "liberal" in the process. For example, during FDR's time, conservatives were staunchly critical of FDR's New Deal programs, but nowadays, conservatives praise FDR as if he was God. I can't even count how many conservatives strongly criticize Patton and MacArthur these days, while giving undying praise to Truman and FDR.

There are no old guard conservatives anymore, no more isolationists. Even the aptly named Grandfather of Conservatism, Barry Goldwater, doesn't seem all that popular amongst establishment level conservatives anymore. They still love Reagan, though, but Reagan was probably a bit more liberal than Goldwater was.

Heck, I even remember when conservatives used to hate rock and roll with a passion, but now, they love rock and roll. There are even some conservative rockers nowadays.





Moonhead -> RE: Where's this "Liberal" press we hear so much about??? (4/24/2012 1:12:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zonie63

Actually, I've known quite a few science and engineering majors who were pretty darn liberal.

That's a whole other issue. pap is obviously taken with the whole "liberals is all liberal arts majors" fallacy.




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