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Anaxagoras -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/26/2012 6:55:12 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
Well, I find it hard to believe that the moon can control the tides, or menstrual cycles, or that a full moon tends to make people go crazy, but that shit seems to work too.

As the Bard said: " there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy."

Interesting point about the moon affecting moods. Hadn't made that connection myself.



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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus
Well, astrology has been around for millenia. It is not science, ant more than my tarot cards are science. The planets affect each other via gravity and magnetism, and our knowledge of that changes nothing.

I would see it as a step above tarot even if it cannot be verified evidentially because there is a rationale and a pretty complex method to it. Astrology and astronomy were to some extent regarded as being the same field for a long time - its something I was sometimes reminded of when I drew up birthcharts as they used relatively advanced mathematics, an epheremis and longitudinal tables. Astrology then got left behind after the Medieval era. Today my own view is that of a skeptic who is still interested in the subject so I'm sort of between yourself and Chatte. My own view to people generally is "give it a try" and see if it has any merit or worth in your own lives...



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/26/2012 6:58:16 PM)

I think astrology is great fun, Anax, I'm jjst not going to let it rule my actions.

Back when i was selling books at psychic fairs, I was cruising through a piece on heliocentric astrology...far too abstruse for little me! But obviously there's a lot of thought behind it.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/27/2012 5:05:48 AM)

I don't let astrology, or the tarot for that matter, rule my actions. I *do* allow it to inform my consciousness. Big difference.

I think science could learn a great deal from the old mystics and metaphysics, but again that is just my take on it.



Anaxagoras -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/30/2012 8:13:09 PM)

Was surprised to find a birth chart for a domme called Mistress Persephone http://www.astrotheme.com/celestar/portrait.php?clef=Sg67z3SAN9Fk&info=1 yesterday. Not sure if she is still around but she was a very hot fetish model back in the 90’s. She is a Scorpio whose Venus is in Libra. Libra is the ruling sign for Venus so it makes this planet a powerful influence in the birth chart. Being the planet representing beauty, this would explain her career choice. Venus is tightly in conjunction with Uranus, making this a powerful aspect in the chart. Uranus is a planet representing individuality, rebellion and the unusual so being a fetish model fits there. Both planets are also in trine with Saturn which is strongly associated with BDSM. Her North Node is in Capricorn suggesting a future related to Capricorn which is reputedly the most fetishistic of signs. Mars is also pretty much in Scorpio (again one of its ruling planets) and squares the North Node. There could be more but the chart doesn’t include the time so the Ascendant, MC and houses can’t be evaluated. An interesting result although of course I’m looking out for features in the chart representing D/s and fetishism so YMMV!


BTW I would agree with Chatte in that I think one would have to be a pretty fanatical believer to go as far as to actually let astrology govern one's actions...



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/30/2012 8:37:46 PM)

One astrologer I know actually casts the i ching before leaving the house.



LanceHughes -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/30/2012 9:08:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
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Well, I find it hard to believe that the moon can control the tides, or menstrual cycles, or that a full moon tends to make people go crazy, but that shit seems to work too.<snipped>

The moon controls tides through gravity.  Why is that hard to believe?

OTOH, the other two things you mention ARE hard to believe because they aren't true. The moon does NOT control menstrual cycles. Full moon effects (lunacy, hospital admissions, accidents, etc.) have NEVER stood scientific scrutiny.

Wiki tells all: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_effect



LanceHughes -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/30/2012 9:20:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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A French scientist called Gauguin did several scientific survey back in the late 80's by comparing a large number of birth charts to career choices. He was a sceptic but found a statistically significant link. It was only a limited view of what charts would relate to but the finding was interesting.

Nope, that's not what he did - he SHOULD have - what he did was check for Mars' location in a selection of athletes.



LanceHughes -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (4/30/2012 9:23:20 PM)

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And then, we have Wiki to the rescue: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_effect

And, by the way, the studies seem to be backwards..... How about one gathers all people (at one point, women were removed) with Mars in Gauquelin' sectors 1 and 4 and then see if there's a correlation for atheltic ability.  What he does is takes athletes - but NO basketball players - HUH?- and see where they have Mars.

Maybe, just maybe you need to have all ages.... Gauquelin can't find the effect with people born after the 1950's  ---- Badly flawed all over the place.

G'nite.  WAY past my bedtime.  Y'know those of us with 7 majors in Leo, but not the sun (which is in Pisces) need our beauty sleep..... I think I have Venus rising in my tenth house....

And then there's progressions, right?  I'm well into Taurus, and find that daily newspaper more appropriate - well, I pick between the two. LOL!
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ETA: mid to late 1950s



Anaxagoras -> RE: Astrology Birth Charts (5/1/2012 1:08:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LanceHughes
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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A French scientist called Gauguin did several scientific survey back in the late 80's by comparing a large number of birth charts to career choices. He was a sceptic but found a statistically significant link. It was only a limited view of what charts would relate to but the finding was interesting.

Nope, that's not what he did - he SHOULD have - what he did was check for Mars' location in a selection of athletes.

Thanks for the information. I couldn't find a link at the time so was just working from memory of what I read in an article years ago. Turns out it was older reserach. It doesn't even verify conventional astrology but found a statistically significant link in some respects. I'm pretty sure he did it for more than athletes though. To quote the wiki page you cited

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Gauquelin's work was not limited to the Mars effect: his calculations led him first to reject most of the conventions of natal astrology as it is practised in the modern west but he singled out "highly significant statistical correlations between planetary positions and the birth times of eminently successful people." This claim concerned not only Mars but five planets, correlated with eminence in fields broadly compatible with the traditional "planetary rulerships" of astrology. However, partly because eminence in sport is more quantifiable, later research, publicity and controversy has tended to single out the "Mars effect".



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