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Astrology Birth Charts - 4/23/2012 6:38:24 PM   
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Thought I would start a thread on birth charts because a few on here might find them interesting to post up and discuss. Astrology is much more than merely about a person’s sun sign. Birth charts are in essence an image of the heavens at the exact time of one’s birth in the location where one is born. If it helps I wrote a bit of info on them below for anyone new to the topic.

Drawing Charts up is complex but there are sites on the “Interwebs” that do the job for free. Googling “birth chart” will get quite a few. I mostly use http://www.0800-horoscope.com/birthchart.php which loads a lot of cookies onto one’s system and has too many pop-ups but has fairly decent explanations of the different areas of the chart in question. Its not a substitute for seeing an astrologer as it just offers cookbook explanations of each feature of a given chart but IMHO it’s a nice way to get into it.

Each chart is quite unique as even a few minutes of difference in birth time can give a pretty different chart. The same goes for place of birth so its important to get these details right if at all possible.

It might be hard to post up the graphic of your birth chart as CM only accept JPG files (I think) so it would need to be converted but the direct link to the graphic would also work.

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The sky above is divided into twelve segments known as the signs. The planets and the two luminaries represent basic primal energies that the signs filter in characteristic ways. The sun and moon are the most important. The sun represents the elemental self, the conscious ego, issues related to power, health etc. The moon is the opposite, representing the inner self, subconscious, emotional state etc.

In turn the planets are located in what are called “houses” which are loosely related to the twelve signs but relate to the areas where the planets will impact one’s life most. There are a number of very important points in the house system – the ascendant and its corresponding descendent on the opposite side of the chart, and the Midheaven (MC) and the Nadir, again on the opposing sides of the chart.

The ascendant is the most important point in the chart besides the sun and moon. When people say “oh I thought you seemed like sun sign X rather than Y, they are supposedly referring to the ascendant because it represents the way in which a person presents themselves to the world.

The aspects are the most important part of a chart. They show the way in which the differing energies of the planets and other points relate to each other. Aspects are calculated by the difference in degrees between each planet. If one planet is at 9 degrees Scorpio and another at 8 degrees Leo, they will form what is called a square – a 90 degree angle with a plus or minus 8 degree orb. There are many aspects but the most important are conjunctions (0 degrees), sextiles (60 degrees), squares, trines (120 degrees) and oppositions (180 degrees). Sextiles and trines are the most positive. Squares and oppositions the most negative. All have a plus or minus 8 degree orb except sextiles which usually have a 6 degree orb.

There are many other elements to birth charts but the above are the basics, which should illustrate that these things are very complex, especially when considering that all the above are often conflicting and have to be synthesised into a unified interpretation. That takes years to really get the knack of.

As a teenager I had an interest in a few areas of the paranormal, and what some refer to as the “esoteric arts”. Its been a long time since I truly believed in astrology but even for unbelievers I think it provides an interesting way of helping to reflect on personality perhaps due to their complexity so YMMV.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/23/2012 7:06:12 PM   
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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/23/2012 7:16:07 PM   
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Thing is the cartoon makes the mistake of thinking the horoscopes in magazines etc. relate to astrology in a meaningful way. It just relates to one's sun sign, its natal position averaged out (I think) in relation to planets that link to it in a given week. Wouldn't really mean anything at all.

A French scientist called Gauguin did several scientific survey back in the late 80's by comparing a large number of birth charts to career choices. He was a sceptic but found a statistically significant link. It was only a limited view of what charts would relate to but the finding was interesting.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/23/2012 7:22:02 PM   
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It is nothing personal..I am just against quasi-science is all.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/23/2012 7:24:08 PM   
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It is nothing personal..I am just against quasi-science is all.

Cool, no offense taken at all. I'm a sceptic too but I just find it kinda interesting as an offshoot of interests a while back...

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/24/2012 6:10:35 PM   
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Thing is the cartoon makes the mistake of thinking the horoscopes in magazines etc. relate to astrology in a meaningful way. It just relates to one's sun sign, its natal position averaged out (I think) in relation to planets that link to it in a given week. Wouldn't really mean anything at all.

A French scientist called Gauguin did several scientific survey back in the late 80's by comparing a large number of birth charts to career choices. He was a sceptic but found a statistically significant link. It was only a limited view of what charts would relate to but the finding was interesting.


You honestly believe that because a planet a kabillion miles away turns a certain way or lines up with another....means anything?

At all?

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/24/2012 7:13:28 PM   
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Thing is the cartoon makes the mistake of thinking the horoscopes in magazines etc. relate to astrology in a meaningful way. It just relates to one's sun sign, its natal position averaged out (I think) in relation to planets that link to it in a given week. Wouldn't really mean anything at all.

A French scientist called Gauguin did several scientific survey back in the late 80's by comparing a large number of birth charts to career choices. He was a sceptic but found a statistically significant link. It was only a limited view of what charts would relate to but the finding was interesting.

You honestly believe that because a planet a kabillion miles away turns a certain way or lines up with another....means anything?

At all?

Well Lookie, maybe not quite a kabillion but perhaps a plain old billion or two...

As I said, I'm very sceptical about this stuff today but still find it fascinating even if I don't put much stock in it anymore, and thought others might find it of interest too because there are a fair few who really believe in astrology so thought I'd share.

Its one of those YMMV situations.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/25/2012 8:20:12 PM   
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By the way it might be interesting to know that birth charts apparently have the capacity to also indicate a predilecton toward D/s and BDSM. Sexual energy can be assessed in a few ways but any aspect between Venus http://www.weboteric.com/astrology_planets/venus.php (harmony, beauty, pleasure, relationships, the arts, etc.) and Mars http://www.weboteric.com/astrology_planets/mars.php (energy, strength, will power, assertiveness) is a strong indicator. Links between these two planets and other planets like Saturn (discipline, authority), Uranus (invention, non-convention) or especially Pluto (power, death, transformation) might suggest an interest in BDSM, especially if the links are negative (challenging). The signs of Venus and Mars are relevant too. Scorpio is famous for being a sexual sign but there are others like Taurus, which is noted for sensuality, and Capricorn is associated with D/s and http://sasstrology.com/2008/09/astrology-of-kink-complex-capricorn.html fetishism! YMMV.

I forgot to mention that birth charts aren’t assumed to be set in stone or somehow tell the future so other factors such as early experiences and upbringing would still predominate in forming character.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/25/2012 10:32:54 PM   
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I was a party to some research (unpublished) while I was in graduate school that found a relationship between birth signs and divorce rates that was highly statistically significant. It was a preliminary study, and the full study, which would have looked at the frequency of marriage pairings as well, never got approval because the use of birth signs gave somebody on the committee a whiff of "pseudo-science".

Actually, the choice of birth signs was only made because they line up with the equinoxes and solstices, which our calendar months don't. There was no connection with "Astrology" per se. The motivation for the study was another one that had been done which found a correlation between Winter births and schizophreniform disorders, if I recall correctly. The study had not been replicated in the Southern Hemisphere, so it failed to establish its assumed conclusion that the effects were due to seasonal factors.

It seems to me not impossible, or at least certainly not disproven, that there could also be effects related to cosmological factors. Phrenology was nonsense, but the intuition that functions were localized in the brain turned out to be true. It may well be that there is something going on here too, which, even if it doesn't confirm the interpretations of Astrology, may nonetheless be a real effect.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/25/2012 10:50:01 PM   
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well,.. I am a Capricorn.. dont know my time of birth tho..

I am into D/s tho, they got that part right..

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:54:21 AM   
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well,.. I am a Capricorn.. dont know my time of birth tho..

I am into D/s tho, they got that part right..

TJ, there is a box you can click on the link in the first post for those who don't know their birth time. It means some data is lost appertaining to the houses/Ascendant/Midheaven because they move around very fast. The loss of the ascendant is Aspects to the moon might also be affected because it moves quite quickly but there is still loads of detail you can get out of a birth chart! Hope that helps. ETA, if you do the chart you (or others that do it) might feel some of the descriptive text is a bit personal but you can also post a link to the graphic of the chart alone of you feel like it. It can be clicked on near the bottom of the page.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 7:56:06 AM   
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I have friends and clients who are professional astrologers and I do find it all fascinating, in the same way I find all personality inventories fascinating. I am an Aries, Scorpio ascendant, moon in Sag. Which makes sense, really.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 9:01:43 AM   
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I have friends and clients who are professional astrologers and I do find it all fascinating, in the same way I find all personality inventories fascinating. I am an Aries, Scorpio ascendant, moon in Sag. Which makes sense, really.

Interesting combination of fire and water. Scorpio is supposed to be the hottest of all ascendants!

My sun is in Taurus, Ascendant in Aries but its somewhat moderated by a conjunction to Venus, and my moon is in Pisces in the Twelfth House.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 9:03:52 AM   
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Fire and ICE, really.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:09:11 PM   
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I've had an interest for many years. Throughout that time I have seen that for whatever reason, it seems to work. I don't have a clue why that is.

Someone said:

You honestly believe that because a planet a kabillion miles away turns a certain way or lines up with another....means anything?

At all?


Well, I find it hard to believe that the moon can control the tides, or menstrual cycles, or that a full moon tends to make people go crazy, but that shit seems to work too.

As the Bard said: " there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamed of in your philosophy."

What we don't know about how our universe works and effects us and effects and interacts with all the many other universes, is well, as vast as the milky way.

The older I am, the more I try to keep an open mind about all kinda things.










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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:20:38 PM   
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The moon really DOES control the tides. That's science.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:24:15 PM   
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Yes I know. That was part of my argument. We know that NOW. What else will we learn in the next 100 years, the next 200?

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:29:47 PM   
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Well, astrology has been around for millenia. It is not science, ant more than my tarot cards are science. The planets affect each other via gravity and magnetism, and our knowledge of that changes nothing.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:32:31 PM   
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The older I am, the more I try to keep an open mind about all kinda things.

Once it's so open it accepts nonsense like astrology, you know you've gone too far.
Well, you should, anyway.

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RE: Astrology Birth Charts - 4/26/2012 6:45:37 PM   
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I agree astrology is not a science as most people define that word, certainly not a hard science. However, I don't think we have a full knowledge of how the planets effect each other. We are in the baby stages of discovering our universe.

We have found out many things that were considered not science or old wives tales has some validity.

An example is the saying "It's all in the blood," as used to refer to a person's personality or that they are bad. Well, we are learning that there are personality traits that can are embedded in our DNA, that the propensity towards criminal acts is in fact hereditary.

But, feel free to consider me far too broadminded on the subject. One of my pet peeves is people who think that someone we have reached our scientific apex, and we know everything there is to know about how people work.

We don't We are just skimming the surface when it comes to how our brains work, how personality is developed, and frankly on most aspects of human psychology.

But that is my opinion. Everyone is free to their own.

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