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DarkSteven -> Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 4:06:32 PM)
Jeff Greenfield says he plans to. The implications of that will be huge, more than the GOP realizes. Mormons have traditionally been intelligent, moderate, pragmatic Republicans, and have a disproportionate weight in the Western swing states. If Huntsman leaves and takes anyone with him, the GOP will hurt.

TheHeretic -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 4:20:28 PM)
Might not Romney as the nominee persuade at least some of the Mormons to stick around, Steve? I liked Huntsman. I hoped to see him do much better in the primary, but my opinion is that he blew it, and lacks the fire in the belly to stand up and fight, much less engage in the sort of brutal streetfight this election is going to be.

tazzygirl -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 4:39:42 PM)
I agree Rich. I liked what I saw in him, initially. But it was like watching a ghost... barely there.. hard to remember actually seeing.

subrob1967 -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 6:01:49 PM)
Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway.

DarkSteven -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 6:16:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TheHeretic Might not Romney as the nominee persuade at least some of the Mormons to stick around, Steve? Dunno. IMO it depends on whether the evangelicals accept them. quote: I liked Huntsman. I hoped to see him do much better in the primary, but my opinion is that he blew it, and lacks the fire in the belly to stand up and fight, much less engage in the sort of brutal streetfight this election is going to be. I agree. In addition, I think his quiet style is better suited for the Dems than the GOP. Although he's been talking more third party in the interview.

LookieNoNookie -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 6:26:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven Jeff Greenfield says he plans to. The implications of that will be huge, more than the GOP realizes. Mormons have traditionally been intelligent, moderate, pragmatic Republicans, and have a disproportionate weight in the Western swing states. If Huntsman leaves and takes anyone with him, the GOP will hurt. Gawdddd......it always amazes me how much prescience (anyone) puts into what (any) media has to say.

Hillwilliam -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/24/2012 7:27:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. That's a good way to chase off the moderates. You don't win elections without their support. If the Republican party wants to become irrelevant, all they have to do is keep moving farther to the Right and trying to shove their religious dogma down everyone's throat.

DaNewAgeViking -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 4:34:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. Election day isn't that far off; remember to polish your jack boots. [sm=ass.gif]

DarkSteven -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 4:59:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. If the GOP's goal is to have a more consistent and clear ideology, you are correct. If the goal is to win national elections, you're not.

subrob1967 -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 5:34:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. That's a good way to chase off the moderates. You don't win elections without their support. If the Republican party wants to become irrelevant, all they have to do is keep moving farther to the Right and trying to shove their religious dogma down everyone's throat. You guys keep confusing the religious with conservatism, I'm not a believer, but there's hardly a doubt I'm a staunch conservative... Truth of the matter is, the religious right makes up a very minor part in conservative values. While the ultra religious may be conservative, not all conservatives are religious. It's time for the "moderates" to take a stand, either their for government handouts, bailouts, and the nanny state, or their for self reliance, pulling themselves by the bootstraps, and taking care of themselves.

subrob1967 -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 5:41:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. Election day isn't that far off; remember to polish your jack boots. [sm=ass.gif] Yeah because you progressives are doing so well at dismantling the DHS, the TSA, and stopping wiretapping.[8\|] You guys are far worse with the jackbooted thugs, with your DoJ suing states, protecting Black Panthers, renditions, Gitmo... Need I go on? Now make sure your kids eat their veggies, or Michelle might get ya!

Owner59 -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 5:55:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. Election day isn't that far off; remember to polish your jack boots. [sm=ass.gif] Yeah because you progressives are doing so well at dismantling the DHS, the TSA, and stopping wiretapping.[8\|] You guys are far worse with the jackbooted thugs, with your DoJ suing states, protecting Black Panthers, renditions, Gitmo... Need I go on? Now make sure your kids eat their veggies, or Michelle might get ya! With lying?....no. States have been sued before.......What black panthers?They don`t exist accept for on foxnoose......and what have the cons done about gitmo besides nothing after creating the mess? I`m not sure where the whacked out notion came from that being more and more extreme is better for the GOP but I couldn`t be more thrilled.[:D]

Hillwilliam -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 6:42:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. That's a good way to chase off the moderates. You don't win elections without their support. If the Republican party wants to become irrelevant, all they have to do is keep moving farther to the Right and trying to shove their religious dogma down everyone's throat. You guys keep confusing the religious with conservatism, I'm not a believer, but there's hardly a doubt I'm a staunch conservative... Truth of the matter is, the religious right makes up a very minor part in conservative values. While the ultra religious may be conservative, not all conservatives are religious. It's time for the "moderates" to take a stand, either their for government handouts, bailouts, and the nanny state, or their for self reliance, pulling themselves by the bootstraps, and taking care of themselves. I consider myself a Goldwater conservative. Why am I registered Independent instead of Republican? Look who OWNS the damn party. It is the religious Right and Ron Reagan sold it to them. They don't care about fiscal conservatism. All they care about is forcing their religious, anti-science dogma down everyone's throat. Remember what Goldwater said about them back in the 60's. The Church found out centuries ago that if you keep the majority of the people poor and ignorant, they're easier to control. That's exactly where we're headed.

subrob1967 -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 7:55:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. That's a good way to chase off the moderates. You don't win elections without their support. If the Republican party wants to become irrelevant, all they have to do is keep moving farther to the Right and trying to shove their religious dogma down everyone's throat. You guys keep confusing the religious with conservatism, I'm not a believer, but there's hardly a doubt I'm a staunch conservative... Truth of the matter is, the religious right makes up a very minor part in conservative values. While the ultra religious may be conservative, not all conservatives are religious. It's time for the "moderates" to take a stand, either their for government handouts, bailouts, and the nanny state, or their for self reliance, pulling themselves by the bootstraps, and taking care of themselves. I consider myself a Goldwater conservative. Why am I registered Independent instead of Republican? Look who OWNS the damn party. It is the religious Right and Ron Reagan sold it to them. They don't care about fiscal conservatism. All they care about is forcing their religious, anti-science dogma down everyone's throat. Remember what Goldwater said about them back in the 60's. The Church found out centuries ago that if you keep the majority of the people poor and ignorant, they're easier to control. That's exactly where we're headed. As opposed to unemployed and on the government dole? I'm afraid I was born after the Goldwater era, and frankly from my vantage point, I just don't see the religious influence in the current GOP policies... Then again, I don't see the fiscal conservatism either, which is why I'd love to see ALL incumbents replaced. Boehner and McConnell are neither good leadership, or conservative.

subrob1967 -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 7:56:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 quote: ORIGINAL: DaNewAgeViking quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 Good riddance, the GOP needs less moderates (appeasers), and more staunch conservatives anyway. Election day isn't that far off; remember to polish your jack boots. [sm=ass.gif] Yeah because you progressives are doing so well at dismantling the DHS, the TSA, and stopping wiretapping.[8\|] You guys are far worse with the jackbooted thugs, with your DoJ suing states, protecting Black Panthers, renditions, Gitmo... Need I go on? Now make sure your kids eat their veggies, or Michelle might get ya! With lying?....no. States have been sued before.......What black panthers?They don`t exist accept for on foxnoose......and what have the cons done about gitmo besides nothing after creating the mess? I`m not sure where the whacked out notion came from that being more and more extreme is better for the GOP but I couldn`t be more thrilled.[:D] Just quit now, you have no idea how foolish you look by even posting this drivel.

Moonhead -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 8:20:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 I just don't see the religious influence in the current GOP policies... So all of this abortion/birth control talk has passed you by, then? The attempts to drop any mention of the separation of church and state from history discussion in Texas schools?

Hillwilliam -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 11:48:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 frankly from my vantage point, I just don't see the religious influence in the current GOP policies... Are you serious? What rock have you been hiding under for the last 30 years?

tazzygirl -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 11:53:31 AM)
Sadly, yes, he is quite serious. You would be better off asking him what he believes a "religious influence" is.. because its gotta be something out of fantasy land.

kalikshama -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 12:29:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moonhead quote: ORIGINAL: subrob1967 I just don't see the religious influence in the current GOP policies... So all of this abortion/birth control talk has passed you by, then? The attempts to drop any mention of the separation of church and state from history discussion in Texas schools? Ya, they've edited out Thomas Jefferson who was a proponent of the separation between Church and State. http://www.collarchat.com/m_4099141/mpage_1/tm.htm#4100111 By a 9-5 vote along party line, the conservative majority on the board adopted a set of social studies curriculum standards for Texas students that by any objective standard constitute educational malpractice. How else would one explain the decision to remove references to Thomas Jefferson from the state's history books? It's true that Jefferson is not a conservative hero, since he coined the term "separation between church and state." But to have John Calvin and Sir William Blackstone replace our nation's third president in discussions about the ideas on which this country was founded - at least in Texas classrooms - is absurd.

Moonhead -> RE: Huntsman - about to leave the GOP? (4/25/2012 1:18:10 PM)
I know that, you know that. I'll be interested to hear what excuse subrob has for this not being evidence of a religious influence on the GOP if he doesn't know that as well...

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