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DesFIP -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 8:32:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Savelle

Sub space is the separation of personal conflict between identity and sexual desire. Sub space exists because not every submissive can sustain the role of submission 24/7. Some women yield more eagerly than other.



Many of us are not at all conflicted sexually. It's interesting however, that you prefer women who are. What does that say about your own conflicts?



misterraymond -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 9:45:21 AM)

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ORIGINAL: misterraymond


For a woman slave, sub space is like a drug, addictive, real and powerful, indeed you fly until you can fly no longer
nope, I can take it or leave it. I don't crave it, I just enjoy it when it happens

that sub space is gained through multi-orgasms
nope, don't need orgasms to get to subspace. Quite the opposite - having orgasms makes it harder for me to get there


I treat subspace like orgasms. Great if Master allows me to get there, no biggie if he doesn't.


Myotherself, all women are different, it is up to a good Master to identify your needs, your Master will know your needs well, so he has accomodated them.

Many Doms think because a Master considers his slaves needs, that Master is weak, that is not so, this Master views his slaves as his assets and they must be treated as such.

This Master will say that he uses unusual techniques, spends many hours in session, and plans the event, the results achieved thus if they fail are this Masters failure, if Master failed often then it would be time to leave the fraternity, all this Master can say is from his own experience over three decades, usually what Master has written happens, Master slaves will not lie either, feed back ensure future success and added addiction.

However a slave can not lie to her Master, her body reveals all.

Master will add, indeed a slave can go without orgasm, if that is Masters wish, as indeed as a slave you have been taught to control your orgasm, variation in session is what keeps the spark alive, your dialogue however was interesting and demonstrates differences.

MR





misterraymond -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 9:47:58 AM)

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This place is great entertainment.


Littlewonder this Master is splitting his sides, he just loves it here...............????

It is better than the circus.

MR



misterraymond -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 9:52:54 AM)

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This Kitteh wonders.


Hi Kitteh

you wonder, wonder what, even Masters Dungeon candles, talk this way, it is better than London Cockney slang, now if Master starts speaking that, you will all certainly attack him.

There is a reason, search Masters forum, the explanation is so simple.

MR



Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 11:28:37 AM)

Just my experience but getting into "sub space" for me isn't hard at all and does not require very much trust at all, I'm not even a slave. or barely a sub, it just requires hitting all the right pleasure buttons. and no that's not always sexual ones. If I am willing to relax and not talk lots massages from masseuses can get me in "subspace" and yes it's the same full of pleasure, so relaxed and floaty daze as when i do bdsm. hand rubs, foot rubs, back rubs, shoulder rubs, light stroking of my back skin, my side skin or the arches of my feet, all that stuff gets the same sub space reaction as bdsm, and it's extremely easy to put me into "sub space" And i don't have to trust them deeply, strangers can do it quite easily, and yes i regularly played with strangers at play parties or at other places when i was single.

But, like i said it's my experience and mine only.
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ORIGINAL: misterraymond


it is hard work on the part of the Master, not always achievable until the slave has truly given herself, and can fuly trust.

Master really only takes a slave to this place, a submissive in Masters opinion has not gained the trust she needs in herself to trust her Master, its complicated, but as Master says, essential practise.

MR



Buzzzz -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 3:27:42 PM)

That Master doesn't put her in sunspace often. That Master used to do it more often , but the scenes were too short for me (once she goes down, not much else to do ). Now, that Master has become more of a sadist and enjoys taking her out of it at the 1st of subspaceness. A taser works well for that :)



kalikshama -> RE: sub space (5/12/2012 4:09:23 PM)

For me it's primarily about the endorphins, rather than submission or orgasms or addiction.

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Original: Savelle

Sub space is the separation of personal conflict between identity and sexual desire. Sub space exists because not every submissive can sustain the role of submission 24/7. Some women yield more eagerly than other.


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Original: misterraymond

For a woman slave, sub space is like a drug, addictive, real and powerful, indeed you fly until you can fly no longer, that sub space is gained through multi-orgasms,


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Original: misterraymond

This Master exercises a different control , this Master controls many, not in a poly household, three wholy owned slaves and a fourth to be initiated ,


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Original: misterraymond

Master will session for several hours often very intent, and then engage a series of orgasms , multi orgasms and then move them into sub space, they are thus then spent.


80% of women admit to having faked orgasms - which three of your four women do you think are the fakers?




graceadieu -> RE: sub space (5/13/2012 6:32:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AthenaSurrenders

My experience is somewhat similar to LittleWonder though I don't think my hubby comes close to being as sadistic as Kana. Even so, when he's in the mood to inflict pain, he wants the pain response and is sure to keep me in the moment with irregular strokes, no warm ups, making me hold position rather than being restrained etc.


Yeah, my Dom's the same way. What he enjoys about inflicting pain is seeing me whimper and struggle and suffer for him. If I were to get blissed out and not feel the pain (not something I've ever really been able to do anyway), it'd kinda defeat the point.



NuevaVida -> RE: sub space (5/13/2012 9:09:41 AM)

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I'm not really agreeing with a lot that's been said here - there's no identity/sexual conflict here and there's no "He's gotta subspace me so I am more compliant." I also don't agree with "The master doesn't bring the slave to subspace, she gets there on her own" idea. Those concepts seem kind of far fetched for me.

Subspace is not a goal for us. It will likely happen as a result of prolonged and intense pain. Prolonged orgasm/squirting brings me to a point of exhaustion, but not subspace. Subspace does not happen a lot because his sadistic streak is not very extreme. His goal (which is what our sex life is all about) is to get himself off, through playing/toying with me and hot sex.

When I do reach subspace, however, I'm not necessarily more compliant. In fact, there have been times I've been *less* compliant. My emotional sensitivities become exponentially magnified, so whatever mood I might be feeling - happy, scared, angry, confused - is going to intensify greatly, and will be expressed in that manner. He knows where this is coming from, so he deals with it accordingly (usually he finds it amusing).

These cookie-cutter definitions I'm seeing by some of the men here are a reminder that some people sweep the generalization brush across an entire subset of people, and, well, one size does not fit all. The human mind is so much more complex than that.



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