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littlewonder -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/25/2012 7:19:59 PM)
hahahaha...if I ever asked my former Masters to be references for me I'd never had met Master. I wouldn't trust them or anyone else as a reference. I am not a job. I'm a person who was looking for a relationship. If he ever asked me for references I would have immediately stopped dating him.

Baroana -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/25/2012 7:57:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. Give me your thoughts. Reading between the lines here... "I'm a clueless old perv who doesn't know the difference between a woman and a pickup truck." "I don't own a pair of regular pants, so this is my best photo." "I hope the authorities never get a warrant to search my basement."

DarlingSavage -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/25/2012 9:01:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Baroana quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. Give me your thoughts. Reading between the lines here... "I'm a clueless old perv who doesn't know the difference between a woman and a pickup truck." "I don't own a pair of regular pants, so this is my best photo." "I hope the authorities never get a warrant to search my basement." Oh, that's beautiful! Just 100% GORGEOUS!

JeffBC -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/25/2012 9:14:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. My thought is that I can see how this would all make sense in the "slavery by agreement" model. I tend to think in more immediate terms. I figure Carol is mine because she obeys. I figure she isn't mine any more when I'm no longer able to command her. In addition, why on earth would I give a wooden nickel for the opinion of some other guy who'd already failed to command her -- especially when I've got my own senses and intuition to work with?

Awareness -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 3:58:43 AM)
It's a brain-dead piece of idiocy which flatters the pretensions of some who like to believe they're trafficking in human property. It's nonsense. Anyone who considers themselves a Master should already be used to making their own in-depth assessments. If you require someone else to assess the slave you're proposing to take full responsibility for, then you've missed something somewhere along the way and are simply playing a role. Alas, an all too common practice.

DesFIP -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 6:55:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl My ex and I are still friends and he refers work to me quite often. Just because we weren't meant to be together as a couple, doesn't mean that we don't like each other. Judging by the op's profile, which is all about the physical, and how he wants somebody to move to him but he won't provide them with a plugged nickel, I doubt this is true of the op.

angelikaJ -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 8:39:25 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. Give me your thoughts. Ummmm....no. Why? Because in the end, relationships are relationships. Whether someone was incompatible with their previous partner, will have no bearing on whether they will be incompatible with you unless you are discernally disabled. You should be taking the time to get to know the person you are considering entering into a relationship with and not relying on a few pics, a few web chats or cam sessions before you decide this might be someone you are interested in. If you lack the ability to discern... then you are probably fucked.

LadyHibiscus -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 9:10:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. Give me your thoughts. Ummmm....no. Why? Because in the end, relationships are relationships. Whether someone was incompatible with their previous partner, will have no bearing on whether they will be incompatible with you unless you are discernally disabled. You should be taking the time to get to know the person you are considering entering into a relationship with and not relying on a few pics, a few web chats or cam sessions before you decide this might be someone you are interested in. If you lack the ability to discern... then you are probably fucked. That part I bolded. Not that my judgment hasn't been ghastly at times.

LadyPact -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 10:24:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JeffBC quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. My thought is that I can see how this would all make sense in the "slavery by agreement" model. I tend to think in more immediate terms. I figure Carol is mine because she obeys. I figure she isn't mine any more when I'm no longer able to command her. In addition, why on earth would I give a wooden nickel for the opinion of some other guy who'd already failed to command her -- especially when I've got my own senses and intuition to work with? I was starting to think I was the only one seeing the question this way. Maybe I'm a little lost here. Are we talking about simple verification? Meaning, yes, this person was with Me for X amount of years, etc? Are we talking about activities that may have been worked on in the community regarding experience level that would be needed for organizing a particular event? I don't see why anybody would have a problem with that kind of thing. I can't say that I've ever given anybody some kind of letter of release. That seems a little silly to Me.

cenladom -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 11:54:17 AM)
No, I have not been asked for any money, and would not do so. I'm pretty old-fashioned when it comes to my beliefs and practices. A slave does not get to pick and choose how it responds to the Master. Simple questions about the past should not be a problem and hesitation in answering makes me doubt the truth of what I'm being told.

cenladom -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 12:10:38 PM)
Yes, I think you're the only one who has gotten what, and why I am posing this question. I've owned slaves, and I've released them - this may sound odd with no more information than that. I had college students that I trained, and knew from the first that when they graduated would be going to other places or to continue their education. They left of good terms and would be welcomed at anytime. I wanted to do what I could to make sure they find a new Master - one I thought deserved them. There are many reasons why a Master and slave part ways, but I['ve only known of Masters making the decision, and it was always that they had just gotten bored and wanted someone knew.

Lockit -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 12:12:34 PM)
Do you insist on this open conversation from moment one or do you give them time to trust you? A slave isn't a slave until they agree to be your slave. By that time, they pretty much ought to be an open book, your book should have been open too and trust in both established. Expectation of any sort other than honesty or honestly saying... I don't feel comfortable talking about that yet, before that trust, should be an option or is in my little world.

BitaTruble -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 12:12:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Should a pre-owned slave be able to provide a reference from their former Master? As a Master, would you object to providing information to a potential new owner? I have considered, and decided against owning several slaves because their pasts were so vague. I want to know the slave was released by their Master, and why. I've released slaves and provided them with a document of release which included my contact information for a potential new Master to contact me. Give me your thoughts. If you think they should, then by all means, have them do that. You're in charge of what is acceptable to you and your criteria for proceeding with any given individual. Get the information you feel is important and trust your gut if that information doesn't appear to be forthcoming. There's really no wrong or right way to establish relationships. Your way is as viable and valid as any other way as long as you realize that not everyone is going to jump through the hoops you set up just as you are not willing to jump through certain hoops yourself. No risk, no reward and all that. Good luck to you.

Alecta -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 12:12:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom No, I have not been asked for any money, and would not do so. I'm pretty old-fashioned when it comes to my beliefs and practices. A slave does not get to pick and choose how it responds to the Master. Simple questions about the past should not be a problem and hesitation in answering makes me doubt the truth of what I'm being told. And there's your answer, OP. I think the general consensus here, though, is if you feel a certain way about someone, positive or negative, someone else's opinion shouldn't matter.

OsideGirl -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 2:19:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit Do you insist on this open conversation from moment one or do you give them time to trust you? A slave isn't a slave until they agree to be your slave. By that time, they pretty much ought to be an open book, your book should have been open too and trust in both established. There ya go, I bolded that for you.

JanahX -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 2:30:23 PM)
You are dealing with college students that you train, move on and pick other Masters for them? Really? I find it really hard to believe that someone who invests a lot of time and money in a college education is going to dedicate their lives to having someone pick another man for them so that they can continue on as a slave for some random man. And how lovely for you, that you know men that just discard people like their trash because their bored with them. Must make these people really happy and full of self worth with their college education - to be herded around like cattle because some asshole gets tired of them. Give me a fucking break. quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom Yes, I think you're the only one who has gotten what, and why I am posing this question. I've owned slaves, and I've released them - this may sound odd with no more information than that. I had college students that I trained, and knew from the first that when they graduated would be going to other places or to continue their education. They left of good terms and would be welcomed at anytime. I wanted to do what I could to make sure they find a new Master - one I thought deserved them. There are many reasons why a Master and slave part ways, but I['ve only known of Masters making the decision, and it was always that they had just gotten bored and wanted someone knew.

searching4mysir -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 5:20:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cenladom No, I have not been asked for any money, and would not do so. I'm pretty old-fashioned when it comes to my beliefs and practices. A slave does not get to pick and choose how it responds to the Master. Simple questions about the past should not be a problem and hesitation in answering makes me doubt the truth of what I'm being told. Sure she does. Just because I'm a slave doesn't make me YOUR slave or subservient to you or any other man other than the man I have CHOSEN as MY Master. I can pick and choose how I respond to you as much as I wish. If you feel this is insolent or rude, I'll make sure Master spanks me for it.

ProlificNeeds -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 5:22:41 PM)
FR~ A person's good name, should be built upon their actions and words, not by the words of others, which could as likely be lies as truth.

VanceD -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 7:37:18 PM)
Why would you care what past people have to say? Past people you don't carry weight in that decision? Does that mean you can't take the time to talk discuss and get to know? If they are lieing or being deceitful it will come out pretty quick. My job as a Dom is to do due diligence not really on a couple phone calls. Just my 2 cents

artemiss -> RE: References for preowned slaves (4/26/2012 9:35:54 PM)
As in many things in life there are two polar sides in conflict here. There was a time when I could have provided a substantial list of people who would references for me. But these were people I had simply played with once or twice. They didn't really know me and couldn't provide any insight into me as a submissive or even a person. They were simply peoeple I crossed paths with while learning about myself. As the years have passed, I have become more attuned to what I want in this life, and have also sought out happiness in vanilla relationships. They are fewer and farther between. Could I use them as reference as to my validity as a submissive? Probably. But it wasn't a simple play situation. There were emotions and connections involved. Do I wan't to involve that in a new relationshop? Hell no. If I am entering a M/s relationship with someone, there should be much higher level of trust involved between me and a potential partner than he should feel with the federal of some random man.

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