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pinkee -> Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 9:09:13 AM)
There are not enough votes (as of now) to pass the proposed amendement against Gay Marriage in the US Senate. Please email, call, or write both Y/your Senators today and tell them Y/you oppose the proposed amendment. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060605/ap_on_go_co/congress_gay_marriage pinkee

RiotGirl -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 9:38:20 AM)
rah.. why oppose gay marriage? Isnt that kind of like retarded? Why the heck do you care who marry's or not? Are you like afraid yer gonna marry a gay person or something? Ya know thats called homophobia.. and u know what they ay about those who are homophobic.. yer prolly really gay... STEP out into the LIGHT my daughter!!!! Embrace your future! one thinks we should ban ejits from spawning. Course that would ban this one.. but ja spawned a really nice lil creature!

darq -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 9:50:58 AM)
pinkee is in favor of gay marriage ... she wants us to oppose the proposal to ban gay marriage .. I'm the one who's against it. For personal reasons ... No I'm not afraid of being married to a gay person ... I just think its wrong. "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined."

pahunkboy -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 10:10:13 AM)
I support gay marriage. It isnt fair to live a lie, marry someone who is heterosexual then bomb. As far as gays being bad per children or community. I disagree. My church [UCC] will marry me to a man, but my country will codify in the constitution... Traditional, heterosexual marriage is custom, the the preferred life. As to the sancitity of marriage- haa. Ban divorce and annulments. I resent that bush seeks to void a contract between 2 adults....what right does he have. No one can be "turned gay", children can not be "turned gay". Here I am posting on this. Where are the gay male marriage material???? If you think it is hard for a woman to find that special man.... it is very hard- for a gay guy to find that special man. Gays are no threat to children or the traditional family. I will grow old alone, and die un-noticed. In the meantime- if 1 or 2 wives ever knew...one actually did call my place, and started shit. Luckily she thought I was selling him pot.. not having a fling with him. Happens all the time.

JohnWarren -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 10:19:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darq pinkee is in favor of gay marriage ... she wants us to oppose the proposal to ban gay marriage .. I'm the one who's against it. For personal reasons ... No I'm not afraid of being married to a gay person ... I just think its wrong. "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined." According to Frist, Libby and I shouldn't have been allowed to get married since we can't produce offspring. I'm not about to support that bastard.

Emperor1956 -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 10:27:25 AM)
quote: I'm the one who's against it. For personal reasons ... No I'm not afraid of being married to a gay person ... I just think its wrong. And because "you just think its wrong" you can impose your will on others? I am not going to talk about the good that recognizing gay marriages will do -- that is legion, and amply covered by others. Suffice it to say that ANY formal union that encourages a basic family unit has benefits to society. Regardless of whether the components are two men, two women, two TGs or any combinations thereof (and regardless of the ability to procreate -- John, your family unit still can form a nurturing building block in a decent society). I am going to address the incredible arrogance that darq, Bill Frist, our fearless (clueless) leader and others manifest. "OUTLAW IT BECAUSE I SAY SO." Unlike certain moral conventions that our society generally agrees upon (e.g., thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal...) there is no concensus on this topic. Where do these people get off mandating their religious morality on Me? (That latte must have been a triple...WHEW). But I'm very, very serious, too. E.

HollyS -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 10:38:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darq pinkee is in favor of gay marriage ... she wants us to oppose the proposal to ban gay marriage .. I'm the one who's against it. For personal reasons ... No I'm not afraid of being married to a gay person ... I just think its wrong. "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined." I would be very interested to see some statistics backing up Sen. Frist's statement. How does he know that "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised"? Protecting children from what? I can provide some numbers on the statistical percentages of children in traditional heterosexual households vs. children in homosexual partnerships that are referred to DCFS for child abuse/neglect (percentages, meaning x% of all children from ___ families are referred). Somehow I doubt that my research efforts would do much to change anyone's mind. The facts bear out that loving stable partnerships between any two people are good for kids, good for society, and good for the individuals in them. Being against gay marriage without any logical reason except "I think it's wrong" makes no sense at all -- especially when such people would then encourage legislation based solely on their feelings of "wrongness" rather than anything concrete or real. sigh ~Holly

RiotGirl -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 10:58:33 AM)
quote: "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised"? really? Well i totally felt so protected when my parents divorced and each of them in turn was trying to kidnap me.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 11:26:50 AM)
Let's just allow everyone to have the right to suffer equally. Homosexuals are voters and tax payers. Some serve in our armed forces. Many entertain America with Art, Music, Acting, and Dancing. They work and fight just has hard as any other citizen here in the USA. If there are some who want to get married, why should they be stopped? In GW Bush's speech, he's for allowing each state to decide if Gay Marriage should be premitted. Out of all the effort he has put into not allwoing gay marriage, this is his first step in allowing it to become possible.

FangsNfeet -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 11:34:06 AM)
Don't worry Darq, there's a good chance that this vote will not pass. Not out of personal conviction, but the fact that anyone who votes Yay just may be tossing in the towel in ever becoming president or even senator come next term. By voting yes on this bill, it could be compaired as voting yes on reinstating the Draft. I don't see enough votes comming around this time. Hedrosexual America is safe. Just remember that there is a fag in a uniform bleeding to death right now so that you can have the freedom to be against gay marriage.

MistressLorelei -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 11:59:42 AM)
While I strongly support the right for anyone of legal capacity to marry anyone else of legal capacity, gay, straight or otherwise. I think that the Republican party is playing the gay marriage card in such a way, to: a) Detract attention from crucial issues from which they are taking heat, afterall it's nearing election time. b) Having gay marriage on the ballot brings out the conservative vote. Many of these fanatics are more likely to drag themselves out to vote against homosexual rights, than they would be to simply vote in a non-presidential election year.

Wolf1020 -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 12:07:21 PM)
Personally I think it should be left up to states. The federal government has grown to big for it's own good and needs to start giving power back to states. I personally am against two gay people getting married, to me marriage is a man and a woman. But that is my personal view and my personal views shouldn't govern what others should be legally allowed to do. I'm also opposed to being a drunken asshole, that doesn't mean I think getting intoxicated should be illegal. So long as it doesn't effect me, my children, or put the general public in danger I don't have the right to say what consenting adults should be able to do. If they cross the line and it effects myself or my children then I do, but that is a whole other bag of jelly beans.

Mercnbeth -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 12:10:28 PM)
quote: RiotGirl rah.. why oppose gay marriage? Riot, No opposition here to anyone's choice for a mate, but the issue of gay marriage is really simply a smoke screen for the real issue. The reason behind the opposition or support of gay marriage goes way beyond the thinking of any post so far. There is only one thing that makes this an issue at all - MONEY! Gay marriage would permit two people of the same sex to share benefits. Social Security, private retirement plans, health care are but a few big ticket consequences of gay marriages. An addititional big economic reason are estate taxes. The government would miss out on some big tax windfalls. Forget the argument that gay marriage will lead to marriages between species, what about the issue of marring your mother or father, not for any other reason but to avoid paying 40% tax on the inheritance. The particular timing of this points most to desperation. The Republicans need a polarizing issue. When in doubt turn to pragmatic right wing religious fears to motivate people. Forget the war in Iraq, terrorism, illegal immigration, energy crisis, and the economy. The warning cry of; "If you vote Democratic you'll support the perversion of same sex marriage!" unfortunately brings a large voting block to the table. The only positive aspect is it speaks to the desperation of the Republican party. If the Democratic party was a viable alternative, I'd actually be happy to see this. But when both Democratic primary candidates in the California Governor's primary are pushing for more taxes, more bureaucracy, and less personal accountability; my vote still doesn't have a home!

PlayfulOne -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 12:13:35 PM)
By all means we should write boigotry and hate into the constitution. I think its called misdirection, quick lets get them to think about something besides what we screwed up. Darq, Quoting Frist, you could move up in sources and pick the 3 stooges, You would have more intelligent thiings to say. K

darq -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 12:59:20 PM)
I love how many of you personally attack me simply because I choose not to redefine the word marriage to suit the rest of the world. Gay people are welcome to have a civil union and all those wonderful tax cuts and so and so forth, in my opinion. Just don't call it marriage ... I don't hate gay people ... I'm offended by the term 'fag' ... I'm not a bigot ... I just think its wrong to redefine the term marriage to suit your own desires. I'm a bit shocked at the kind of attitudes circulating amongst a group of 'open minded' individuals ... You're only open minded as long as everyone agrees with you?

MsMacComb -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 1:01:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: darq pinkee is in favor of gay marriage ... she wants us to oppose the proposal to ban gay marriage .. I'm the one who's against it. For personal reasons ... No I'm not afraid of being married to a gay person ... I just think its wrong. "Marriage between one man and one woman does a better job protecting children better than any other institution humankind has devised," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn. "As such, marriage as an institution should be protected, not redefined." Frist and the rest of the neocons are idiots. Facts mean nothing to them, they only care about their blathering bullshit. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/10/12/health/webmd/main938234.shtml

mnottertail -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 1:02:36 PM)
The institution of marraige should remain as it began somewhere around the 4th century, a way for the catholic church to collect money and to pretend temporal power. Either way, it is overblessed, methinks.... LOLOL, Ron

pahunkboy -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 1:04:45 PM)
Alot of good posts on this thread. When Gain Newson allow same sex couples to marry in San Francisco, people flew in from every state. Waited in very long lines, and in a driving rain. Residents brought those standing in line hot tea, coffee, cookies. This mayor had recieved numerous death threats, and had to get a body guard. Then a town in Arizona allowed same sex marriage. SOCIAL SECURITY then flags SS #s in SF and that town in AZ. The idea was to be ready to void all benefits unless a couple proved the were of opisate sex. [2 other places as well] Aint that some shit! I was very happy for all of them. I hope they did find the happiness they were seeking. [hmm life liberty, and persuit of happiness] Protestors held a sit in -the license office in Cook county. [chiacgo]A group sat in and blocked the office- but only until the list of benefits were read out loud to the crowd. [over 1000 benifits] People were perplexed, that they could not just walk right in and get license... so words were exchanged. One of the protestors said, you can get it tommorrow. The rest of us may never be able to......just walk in. moment of understanding I do happen to agree with mayor Daley. He could not order licenses as IL constitition already has "marriage between one man one woman,,",from over 100 years ago. So- I think he made the right call. Newsim on the other hand- CA- their constittuion has no such item. The PA constitution is worded a bit different then the federal. Congress began to pass a no gay marriage law- and several experts said it would crash in court------------- bush picks and chooses which laws he likes...if he doesnt like it- it doesnt apply to his clan. ie- activist judges. BTW= Daley is gay friendly now- he wasnt so in the 80s when Jane Byrne took office..... For those that dont know- his father was mayor of chicago for YEARSSSSSSSSS. they called [it] the machine. PA has to reconize interstate commerce. PA can not ban NJ from sending mega tons of garbage to PA landfills.... or any other state. But PA can ban recognising same sex marriage from any state- for instance MA. This whole thing reminds me of a story i heard. A driver, a tightwad, was driving a tollway. He stopped to pay toll, and seen a quater on the ground. He urgently tried to grab that quarter. In so doing- he ripped his hernia liing...and needed surgery. Moral of the story- money matters. peoples well being doesnt. regards----

DarkSideOfThMoon -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 1:09:13 PM)
Darq that wasn't waht you said in the first place though was it, you just stated that it was wrong. What I don't see is how people who accept homosexuals cannot accept marriage between homosexuals. Marriage, to be fair, is not about the children. If children are the reason you are getting married it is the wrong reason. Same goes for tax cuts... Marriage should be for the pure and simple reason of, Love, wanting to make that commitment to spend the rest of your life with somebody...

thetammyjo -> RE: Gay Marriage Ban Short of Votes (6/5/2006 1:09:56 PM)
I don't think it is the job of the Constitution to limit people's rights -- I recall how good a job Prohibition did for the nation. I think the federal government needs to stay out of our personal lives unless a crime has been committed. What is crime depends (in my opinion) on matters of consent to a large degree.

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