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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 1:27:34 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

OK, so you mean for the massive member fee you are paying here, you can't deal with just deleting spam and you paid for a first class experience and now it is degraded, you should ask for a refund!

Ok, so how far should we "lower the bar" then? Also, CM is not free to the sponsors who pay for those creepily specific banner ads. If anything, CM should sue those members who are essentially "stealing" ad space and profiting from it.

Also not all "free" dating sites are created equal. I'm sorry if my standards offend the SOLICITORS.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 1:30:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

OK, so you mean for the massive member fee you are paying here, you can't deal with just deleting spam and you paid for a first class experience and now it is degraded, you should ask for a refund!

Ok, so how far should we "lower the bar" then? Also, CM is not free to the sponsors who pay for those creepily specific banner ads. If anything, CM should sue those members who are essentially "stealing" ad space and profiting from it.

Also not all "free" dating sites are created equal. I'm sorry if my standards offend the SOLICITORS.

Why are you making these posts, exactly? Do you think that we don't notice the icky ads? I am only on the other side to check my CMail, the banners annoy me that much. The site has to be paid for somehow, though, and I am sure that the banner sites are getting traffic of some kind.

If you would like to assist the owners with running the site, write to support, or to the administration. You can complain about scammers, the terms of service being violated, and our eyes being violated by horrible porn adverts, but the fact is we as readers can do NOTHING.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 1:46:41 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

Why are you making these posts, exactly? Do you think that we don't notice the icky ads? I am only on the other side to check my CMail, the banners annoy me that much. The site has to be paid for somehow, though, and I am sure that the banner sites are getting traffic of some kind.

If you would like to assist the owners with running the site, write to support, or to the administration. You can complain about scammers, the terms of service being violated, and our eyes being violated by horrible porn adverts, but the fact is we as readers can do NOTHING.

To answer your question why am I making these posts, well, I think I'm on topic here, aren't I? I mean, that is if you would equate "people who ask for online tributes" with "solicitors".

My point about the banner ads is that the sponsors PAY MONEY for that ad space. People who ask for tributes, fin-doms/dommes are circumventing that system and creating advertisements under the 'guise' of a member profile. I'm saying that they do far more to degrade the CM experience than the legitimate (albeit obnoxious) advertisers who pay for the ad space, rather than steal it.

I wouldn't say we as readers can do "nothing". People join, and people leave every day. I suppose there's no way to debate those who defend tributes and solicitations without sounding "whiney". Well, so be it. The owners can do what they want. Debating the issue here on this forum is about as much effort as I'm willing to put in.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 1:55:43 PM

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Debating the issue here on this forum is about as much effort as I'm willing to put in.

Which seems to be a lot more effort than just clicking "hide" on profiles you don't want to see, or delete and block on mails you don't want to get...

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 2:01:07 PM

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Are just greedy leaches!!

you know who you are...

I'm not a domme, financial or otherwise, but if I was, I certainly would be a greedy leech.
I have passion and drive in most everything I set out to do, so if my passion is to have someone
give me money, why would I settle for being content when I can always push for more?

Dare I say it......duh?

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 2:02:23 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Which seems to be a lot more effort than just clicking "hide" on profiles you don't want to see, or delete and block on mails you don't want to get...

Well, on that point, who ever said I DON'T click "hide", delete, block, etc.? I'm not concerned about whether or not I should just "deal with it" or "get over it". For me, this is about making an objective, judgmental, logical argument. So far, no one has explained to me why I'm wrong, or unsympathetic towards those members who "make a living" here. I just keep getting called a whiner.

I happen to enjoy dealing with it on this forum.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 2:17:39 PM

ChatteParfaitt

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I agree that the scammers and whatnot degrade the experience of using the OTHER side, that is, the profile side.

But guess what? If no one sent money or went to another site and used their credit card for "services," the scammers would be gone. Blaming fin dommes or pro dommes or even prostitutes who offer legitimate (if not always legal) services is, as has been mentioned, counter-productive.

Having people self-report erotic services would serve to help those legitimate services, by helping those looking for a legit pro or a fin domme connect.

The scammers are liars at best. What makes you think they would self report accurately?

Being on this site takes the ability to tune some of the major crap out. So the icky ads, the scammers, the sub males who send me 3 pages messages I can't even read for the grammar mistakes.

It is what it is, and since it's a free site, I don't think we have all that much right to complain. And BTW, the owner of the site has made it very clear that the policy of the site is that legit pro and fin dommes are welcome. It's up to the individual to determine who/what that is.

Now pull on your big boy pants and cope, cause your ass is showing.

JMO, YMMV, yada yada yada

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 2:26:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

Which seems to be a lot more effort than just clicking "hide" on profiles you don't want to see, or delete and block on mails you don't want to get...

Well, on that point, who ever said I DON'T click "hide", delete, block, etc.? I'm not concerned about whether or not I should just "deal with it" or "get over it". For me, this is about making an objective, judgmental, logical argument. So far, no one has explained to me why I'm wrong, or unsympathetic towards those members who "make a living" here. I just keep getting called a whiner.

I happen to enjoy dealing with it on this forum.

OK, so you enjoy complaining about it but you're not willing to do anything about it... Do you serve cheese with your whine?

Most of us are able to deal with it, and it's not a big deal, since it is a big deal for you but you just want to make an argument and not get actively involved, I fail to see the purpose of this post.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 2:33:49 PM

LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

OK, so you mean for the massive member fee you are paying here, you can't deal with just deleting spam and you paid for a first class experience and now it is degraded, you should ask for a refund!

Ok, so how far should we "lower the bar" then? Also, CM is not free to the sponsors who pay for those creepily specific banner ads. If anything, CM should sue those members who are essentially "stealing" ad space and profiting from it.

Also not all "free" dating sites are created equal. I'm sorry if my standards offend the SOLICITORS.

You're an advertiser now? Concerned for the good of mankind? I assume you are trying to tell me I'm a solicitor? In that case, I would suggest that you try and read, I guess journal posts like

quote:

I haven't updated for a while, but to be honest there is not much reason for it.I usually respond to a friendly letter, but let me stress again NOT LOOKING and I'm mainly here for the boards and to stay in touch with friends. I might play with some people on occasion, but that's going to be my choice, if you keep pestering me about it after I told you that I'm not interested, chances are you find yourself blocked.

or

quote:

Oh and latest approach with 'Can I buy you a present...', come on, of course everybody likes presents but from random strangers it would be a bit creepy, if you're serious about wanting to do something that makes me smile, donating something to a charity would be nice. RSPCA, Heart Foundation, Homeless Shelters, Red Cross... All great stuff! Think about it this way, would you recommend to a female relative or friend to give the address out to a random stranger on the internet because he promised a present? That would be quite stupid, wouldn't it...

I'm soliciting that people don't pester me and don't offer me gifts, so I guess you have a point...

And btw CM is not a "free dating site" - people suggested how you can make changes by getting involved, but again, you aren't interested. Maybe most of us aren't terribly interested in your crusade and simply don't really care if it "cheapens" your BDSM experience....

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 3:25:39 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

I agree that the scammers and whatnot degrade the experience of using the OTHER side, that is, the profile side.

But guess what? If no one sent money or went to another site and used their credit card for "services," the scammers would be gone. Blaming fin dommes or pro dommes or even prostitutes who offer legitimate (if not always legal) services is, as has been mentioned, counter-productive.

...

...

... And BTW, the owner of the site has made it very clear that the policy of the site is that legit pro and fin dommes are welcome. It's up to the individual to determine who/what that is.

Now pull on your big boy pants and cope, cause your ass is showing.

JMO, YMMV, yada yada yada

I agree that there would be less scammers if no one sent them money, but I disagree that the scammers would go away completely... IF... it is basically free for the scammer to run their scams. They've got no skin in the game. Once you unleash your "bots", they will work for free until someone or something stops them. The burden then falls on those who create "walled gardens" like CM to keep them out... if they so choose to do so. (it'd be a lot cooler if they did, just sayin')

On your 2nd point..."And BTW, the owner of the site has made it very clear that the policy of the site is that legit pro and fin dommes are welcome. THANK YOU for making a legitimate point! You have EDUCATED me, rather than just calling me a whiner. That seems to conflict with the other Term of Use stating not to send anyone money for any reason, but I'll just defer to the owners on that one.

Aaaaaaand, then you called me a whiner. :P Oh well, 2 out of 3 points containing intellectual merit ain't bad.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 3:57:09 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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Maybe most of us aren't terribly interested in your crusade and simply don't really care if it "cheapens" your BDSM experience....

Y'sure about that? Whining about whiners are we? It only makes you a hypocrite if you're saying it's ok when YOU do it, but not me. I'm just speaking my mind, as are you.

If I was a betting man, I'd say I'm cheapening YOUR experience.

If the owners explicitly welcome people to create profiles offering their legitimate bdsm services, then I have no beef with those of you who fall under that category. Everything else is just splitting heirs, or just plain name-calling.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 4:02:25 PM

BitaTruble

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru

Ok, so how far should we "lower the bar" then? Also, CM is not free to the sponsors who pay for those creepily specific banner ads. If anything, CM should sue those members who are essentially "stealing" ad space and profiting from it.

Also not all "free" dating sites are created equal. I'm sorry if my standards offend the SOLICITORS.

First of all.. love the screen name, welcome to the forums yadda, yadda.

Okay, that's out of the way.

In essence, being here is not a right but more like a priviledge (if you like the place - It's either Disneyland or hell ::grins::) That said, a lot of us do like this place and as such, trying to help keep it swept and dust free is good for the environment as a whole .. (not too clean though.. lots of us like a little dirty on occasion too.. weg) To that end, doing what you are doing now, speaking up in the forums, is feedback to the moderators who can pass that along to the PTB. I've been here for a long time and I have seen the voices on the forums effect change. Sometimes that's been for the better, sometimes not but over-all, I think things balance in the long run.

Another thing you can do is to report profiles (and forums posts) that mention $ (or anything else that violates TOS) and if and when enough of those reports go through.. poof - the profile will disappear (or the mods might pull a post, series of posts or even shut down threads which really sucks). It's not fool proof because there is no guarentee that enough people will be offended or care enough to hit the report buttons which are available but you can only do so much. Speak up, take a button action on the report feature and set an example of being the sort of change you'd like to see.

I don't know what your standards are but I know I don't lower my own because of someone else's behavior. My standards effect 'me' and if the place I'm in doesn't meet my standards, I'll speak up about it then either shut up or leave because it's not my place and I'm in charge of putting myself into places where I can maximize my potential for happiness.

Anyway, welcomes to ya and hope to see you around.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 4:16:03 PM

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Here is an idea, for anyone who is bothered...if it bothers you, don't send money, don't look at it, don't click on it, hide, ignore, or delete..or in worse cases, report. Do try: not complaining, enjoying the forums.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 4:38:45 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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Here is an idea, for anyone who is bothered...if it bothers you, don't send money, don't look at it, don't click on it, hide, ignore, or delete..or in worse cases, report. Do try: not complaining, enjoying the forums.

You are missing the point, and then you are classifying opinions which differ from yours as "complaining", while failing to acknowledge that we, in fact, ARE enjoying the forums.

I agree, the world would be a much better place if everyone would just "go away" and "mind their own business"... but in today's world, there is no "away" to go to, and our "business" overlaps with everyone elses, which is why we have forums to discuss such things.

Beyond that, try and keep up. We're past the part where someone made the point that the CM owners seem to welcome members who offer *legitimate* bdsm services for $. So if you fall under that category, RELAX. I'm not questioning your right to exist... anymore.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 4:44:00 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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I've been educated since I started weighing in, and it wasn't from those people who told me to stop my whining.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 5:48:10 PM

LadyPact

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru
Ok, so how far should we "lower the bar" then? Also, CM is not free to the sponsors who pay for those creepily specific banner ads. If anything, CM should sue those members who are essentially "stealing" ad space and profiting from it.

Also not all "free" dating sites are created equal. I'm sorry if my standards offend the SOLICITORS.

I see in a later post you say that you are now educated. I'm just adding this in particular regarding the stealing the ad space bit. This will also incorporate the 'free dating site' comment.

If you scroll up on the home page, you'll see how CM labels itself. "The largest BDSM community on the planet." If we compare it to the physical world BDSM community, the truth is that we see financial transactions and 'free advertising' quite frequently. Here on the forum side, we have Professional Services, Sought for Sale, Artisans, and Upcoming Events. All of those sections are involving advertising where the high majority are going to end up with money involved at some point.

Case in point. The link that I've added to My forum posts is for an event. It's not free. There is an admission price. According to your logic above, it's not one member making other people aware that the event is available should other members of the site be interested. Instead, telling people what options are out there if they want those kinds of experiences, as stated in the above, should be charged for as advertising.

That is really no different than the Professional Services forum. A certain amount of money will be paid if one wants to have a particular experience. Rather than attend seminars, it is for those who want to physically participate more extensively than the hands on portion of demonstrations. Having that forum is just another option that is available out there and making that information available.

Following this line of logic, the bottom line is if people want the experience of the event in My sig line, they will be paying to have that experience. If people want the experience of a session with a pro, they will be paying to have that experience. It is the same concept. That is why it's impossible to say that one is ok and the other is not.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 6:27:51 PM

LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru

If I was a betting man, I'd say I'm cheapening YOUR experience.

If the owners explicitly welcome people to create profiles offering their legitimate bdsm services, then I have no beef with those of you who fall under that category. Everything else is just splitting heirs, or just plain name-calling.

Nope, I think you overestimate your importance

As for the owners, did they explicitly welcome you?

In another post you mention that "we are the forums", well most people of that we are not bothered by them, to be honest, the fact that you would include me in a "we" bothers me much much more than somebody wanting money in exchange for a service.

A lot of pro dommes offer a lot of good contributions on the forums, in terms of safety or dynamics, you are not even offering cheese with your whine

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 6:41:54 PM

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Also, CM is not free to the sponsors who pay for those creepily specific banner ads. If anything, CM should sue those members who are essentially "stealing" ad space and profiting from it.

Not to worry, banner ads occupy a different marketing niche than Princess profiles.

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 7:23:54 PM

KobayashiiMaru

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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze

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ORIGINAL: KobayashiiMaru

If I was a betting man, I'd say I'm cheapening YOUR experience.

If the owners explicitly welcome people to create profiles offering their legitimate bdsm services, then I have no beef with those of you who fall under that category. Everything else is just splitting heirs, or just plain name-calling.

Nope, I think you overestimate your importance

As for the owners, did they explicitly welcome you?

In another post you mention that "we are the forums", well most people of that we are not bothered by them, to be honest, the fact that you would include me in a "we" bothers me much much more than somebody wanting money in exchange for a service.

A lot of pro dommes offer a lot of good contributions on the forums, in terms of safety or dynamics, you are not even offering cheese with your whine

I don't see anything in any of your posts other than "your opinions are stupid and personally offensive." Is that your pro-domme persona? Giving me a free sample?? Not bad! I am ALSO quite good at being "condescending", and I know talent when I see it... (seriously, not being a wise ass, if that's possible)

I'm glad "a lot of pro dommes offer a lot of good contributions... in terms of safety or dynamics", because nothing you've said to me seems to have any intellectual merit. On top of that you misquoted me. I didn't say "we are the forums", I said "we [the complainers] ARE enjoying the forums, most notably the OP him/herself" Being a complainer yourself, I suppose I may have accidentally included you in that statement. My apologies.

Also, God, can't you people take "ok fine" for an answer? Yes, I was explicitly welcomed by CMs marketing. I am using CM for it's *intended* purpose, and I've learned that apparently "those offering services for $" are ALSO using CM for it's *intended* purpose. That is why your profiles are not "SPAM". I've also learned that there are free "classified ad" forums here as well. Great. Fine.

The 'last word' is yours for the taking...

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RE: people who ask for online tributes!! - 5/2/2012 7:43:04 PM

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Koba,

I'm glad you are enjoying yourself here, that is the point. I never said you. I said "anyone", if you feel the need to put yourself in that category; well you know what they say: if the shoe fits.
And keeping up? I never fell behind. Perhaps you shouldn't assume. And for record, I didn't know you ever questioned My right to exist in the first place,lol. But I'll be sure to appease you from now on. ;)

Seriously though, try to relax. I know it must suck to have people differ and not like your opinions, no matter how wrong or right they may be, but it is your opinion. And I appreciate the differences between us.

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