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It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first version - 4/29/2012 10:05:41 AM   
erieangel


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http://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/19027/obscurity-is-not-security-techsnap-55/

At the second link, the CISPA information is nearly in, but the entire broadcast is interesting.

ABOUT CISPA:

"CISPA’s broad language will likely give the government access to anyone’s personal information with few privacy protections. Without boundaries, any internet user’s personal, private information would likely be fair game for the government."

"It supersedes all other provisions of the law protecting privacy. In other words, privacy restrictions currently in place would not apply to CISPA. As a result, companies could disclose more personal information about users than necessary. Ars Technica writes, “if a company decides that your private emails, your browsing history, your health care records, or any other information would be helpful in dealing with a ‘cyber threat,’ the company can ignore laws that would otherwise limit its disclosure.” There goes HIPPA laws out the window!![/color]

"The bill completely exempts itself from the Freedom of Information Act"

"CISPA gives companies blanket immunity from future lawsuits"

"Recent revisions don’t go nearly far enough: In an attempt to specify how the government can use the information they collect, the House passed an amendment saying the data can only be used for: “1) cybersecurity; 2) investigation and prosecution of cybersecurity crimes; 3) protection of individuals from the danger of death or physical injury; 4) protection of minors from physical or psychological harm; and 5) protection of the national security of the United States.” This new version still “suffers from most of the same problems that plagued the original version,” writes Timothy Lee. Because terms like “cybersecurity” are so vague, the bill’s language could encompass almost anything."

"Companies can already inform the government and each other about incoming cybersecurity threats: While proponents of CISPA claim it’s needed to allow agencies and companies to share information about incoming cybersecurity threats, opponents of the bill point out that “network administrators and security researchers at private firms have shared threat information with one another for decades.” The party of 'smaller government' is the party that says we need this law, but it appears it is not needed...so what are their true motivations here.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/29/2012 11:59:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		"3) protection of individuals from the danger of death or physical injury; 4) protection of minors from physical or psychological harm;"
Hey, so a liberal president could send the FBI trolling the files of hospitals and doctor's offices in search of possible child abuse, or the EPA could demand all info from a company to check for any toxic emissions? And then publish their findings?

The secret to stopping the recent right wing desire to make the government uber-powerful is to show them how that power could be used against them.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/29/2012 12:15:50 PM   
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This law is necessary for the continuing, slow but steady march toward fascism in America.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/29/2012 1:38:22 PM   
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It is enough to make one feel paranoid.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/29/2012 2:10:41 PM   
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There is this law, then there is the fact that a number of jurisdictions are using unmanned drones to spy on citizens, and on top of that, TSA just placed on order for an enormous number of bullets.

It is enough to make one feel paranoid.


Actually that was Homeland Security, and it comes out to 2500 bullets per agent... Not a whole lot considering quarterly proficiency tests. The TSA agents are mostly unarmed, with the exception of VIPR teams.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/30/2012 5:34:07 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

If anyone had noticed, this is bi-partisan.

This law is necessary for the continuing, slow but steady march toward fascism in America.


Here, read this, from the first weblink mentioned in the OP's:

quote:


Most Republicans support CISPA, while most Democrats oppose it: The House passed CISPA on April 26 on a mostly-party-line vote, 248-168. Among congressmen that voted, 88 percent of Republicans supported the bill while 77 percent of Democrats opposed it.

President Obama threatened to veto it: Recognizing the threat to civil liberties that CISPA poses, President Obama announced this week that he “strongly opposes” the bill and has threatened to veto if it comes to his desk. Obama singled out the provisions that allow for blanket legal immunity and do not enough to safeguard citizens’ private information.


if it was bi-partisan, why are the Democrats INCLUDING Mr. Obama opposing it? Republicans approved of a bill that would strip US Citizens of their privacy before companies.

Seems to follow a growing trend: If it helps America; Republicans are against it. If it hinders, hurts, or makes it hard on Americans to get by in life.....Republicans overwhelmingly support it. Next election....vote the GOP out of office entirely!

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/30/2012 8:43:36 AM   
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Seems to follow a growing trend: If it helps America; Republicans are against it. If it hinders, hurts, or makes it hard on Americans to get by in life.....Republicans overwhelmingly support it. Next election....vote the GOP out of office entirely!


From OUR point of view it's YOU progressives that are hurting America, it's not the government's job to make sure you have an easy, comfortable life, just look how well your philosophy works in China, or Russia, or Cuba.

We believe in the individual, not collectivism.


Next election come to your fucking senses... Vote the Democratic party, and every moderate Republican out of office entirely, before they completely destroy this once great nation.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/30/2012 12:42:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: joether

Seems to follow a growing trend: If it helps America; Republicans are against it. If it hinders, hurts, or makes it hard on Americans to get by in life.....Republicans overwhelmingly support it. Next election....vote the GOP out of office entirely!


From OUR point of view it's YOU progressives that are hurting America, it's not the government's job to make sure you have an easy, comfortable life, just look how well your philosophy works in China, or Russia, or Cuba.

We believe in the individual, not collectivism.


Next election come to your fucking senses... Vote the Democratic party, and every moderate Republican out of office entirely, before they completely destroy this once great nation.



Our point of view? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or do you honestly believe everyone is as bigoted as you appear to be from you posts. Personally I think you and the other poster should get along. You both tend to paint the other side with one big brush.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/30/2012 2:12:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: joether

Seems to follow a growing trend: If it helps America; Republicans are against it. If it hinders, hurts, or makes it hard on Americans to get by in life.....Republicans overwhelmingly support it. Next election....vote the GOP out of office entirely!


From OUR point of view it's YOU progressives that are hurting America, it's not the government's job to make sure you have an easy, comfortable life, just look how well your philosophy works in China, or Russia, or Cuba.

We believe in the individual, not collectivism.


Next election come to your fucking senses... Vote the Democratic party, and every moderate Republican out of office entirely, before they completely destroy this once great nation.



Our point of view? Do you have a mouse in your pocket or do you honestly believe everyone is as bigoted as you appear to be from you posts. Personally I think you and the other poster should get along. You both tend to paint the other side with one big brush.


If the brush fits... Just how am I bigoted? I call progressives as I see em, so don't blame me for borrowing the left's brush, and using it the same way they do.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/30/2012 3:46:19 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
If anyone had noticed, this is bi-partisan.

This law is necessary for the continuing, slow but steady march toward fascism in America.

i think you may be wrong on the bi-partisan support for this particular bill, but i agree, it's a bi-partisan march towards fascism for a very long time.

this bill has the dreaded language "notwithstanding any other laws", which has been pointed out, means it supersedes EVERY other law/code, except the U.S. constitution.

as it stands now, it's an extra hassle for govt to get warrants. this will allow eliminating that because the govt will be able to intimidate or collude with any business it wanted info about a customer on. it allows the company to "voluntarily" hand over any information that fits an overly broad and easy to meet bar and get the govt off it's back without having to deal with warrants in court.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 4/30/2012 10:51:36 PM   
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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: joether

Seems to follow a growing trend: If it helps America; Republicans are against it. If it hinders, hurts, or makes it hard on Americans to get by in life.....Republicans overwhelmingly support it. Next election....vote the GOP out of office entirely!


From OUR point of view it's YOU progressives that are hurting America, it's not the government's job to make sure you have an easy, comfortable life, just look how well your philosophy works in China, or Russia, or Cuba.

We believe in the individual, not collectivism.


Next election come to your fucking senses... Vote the Democratic party, and every moderate Republican out of office entirely, before they completely destroy this once great nation.



Would you seriously want the government to be able to access your health records, your emails, your posts here on CM, your Facebook account (if you have one)? Go to a porn site? Well, its in the information your internet provider just gave to the government. Do you really want your privacy invaded in such a way??

No, its not the job of the government to make our lives easy or comfortable. Its also not job of the government to spy on its citizens. CISPA will do exactly that.


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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 5/1/2012 7:02:17 AM   
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ORIGINAL: erieangel


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ORIGINAL: subrob1967


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ORIGINAL: joether

Seems to follow a growing trend: If it helps America; Republicans are against it. If it hinders, hurts, or makes it hard on Americans to get by in life.....Republicans overwhelmingly support it. Next election....vote the GOP out of office entirely!


From OUR point of view it's YOU progressives that are hurting America, it's not the government's job to make sure you have an easy, comfortable life, just look how well your philosophy works in China, or Russia, or Cuba.

We believe in the individual, not collectivism.


Next election come to your fucking senses... Vote the Democratic party, and every moderate Republican out of office entirely, before they completely destroy this once great nation.



Would you seriously want the government to be able to access your health records, your emails, your posts here on CM, your Facebook account (if you have one)? Go to a porn site? Well, its in the information your internet provider just gave to the government. Do you really want your privacy invaded in such a way??

No, its not the job of the government to make our lives easy or comfortable. Its also not job of the government to spy on its citizens. CISPA will do exactly that.




Won't they have access as soon as I'm eligible for Medicare, or if a single payer system is made available? They already have access to my email, they've had it from the beginning, same with any web use... There isn't any privacy on the web, who are you trying to kid. The government has been spying on it's citizens forever, that will never change.

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RE: It's back...CISPA v. 2.0 just as bad as the first v... - 5/1/2012 11:23:21 AM   
Karmastic


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Status: offline 		so we should just throw our hands up and give up? let them codify (turn into law) what they already do unlawfully?

and i'm sure there's people in govt that can and do unlawfully spy on anyone they want to, every day. but if they want to use that against us in court, the evidence needs to have been obtained lawfully.

said another way, this law will remove yet one more barrier to using evidence that invades privacy. it's one thing to receive some suspect evidence and then lawfully obtain more evidence against someone. but i don't want them having lawful carte blanche access to all my stuff (everyone's stuff) before they even have a probable cause to believe there's a crime.

this is all about the 4th Amendment.

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