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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:10:51 PM   
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Well, you were certainly guilty of solicating a prostitute, so why be surprised?

I have never received those kinds of cmails here, but I can see some people who list themselves as pros being targeted to determine the legality of their behavior. 

I've never solicited for sex for money on craigslist or here so that probably makes a difference.



Well, but honestly, aren't their bigger problems than what 2 consulting adults do with each other and if there is money involved? What a waste of man power and tax money...


Whether there is or there isn't is irrelevant.  Prostitution is illegal in all but one place in the US.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:10:53 PM   
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One of my best friends is one of those. 

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:12:51 PM   
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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:15:48 PM   
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Craigslist closed down their "Adult Services" section on the website.


It's still there - because it simply moved over to casual encounters.

Same thing. Different name. Been going on since the dawn of time.

Craigslist didn't start it - and laws won't end it.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:15:51 PM   
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- but what I ask is whether or not others have had similar experiences, either here or elsewhere, where the cops actively troll the personals.


With my old accounts here as well as this one, spanning across nine years, I would have to say YES. Even with my slave's sister's account, in the past two weeks we had half a dozen hinky solicitation type messages.

It's easy for me as I never say yes.

What makes me sad is when I see a cop hunting for people who turn others into non-consensual slaves. Some of their letters squick me the hell out, and at the same time I can guess that some of the newbie predators are reading and taking notes thinking some of that stuff is a good idea. With people who are new to this, maybe experiencing Dom/me frenzy for the first time, only involved in online cybering no-limits fantasy...are trapped into getting investigated.

Considering what people say in their profiles, and what many send in letters, seriously I cannot blame cops for trying to at least scare some people into not being so blatantly offensive... (There is a REASON why a lot of people have to clearly spell out that doing illegal things with animals and with kids are on their hard limits list.) Now I want to wash out my brains with bleach over the memories of talking with people who were seriously cruising for this type of action.

Anyway, like the one who wrote to GreySquirrel asking how much she would charge him...to let him put his lips to her assh*le and inhale her fart...if it's a john, yeah, arrest him or fine him or whatever. If it's a kid playing here online, the kiddie needs a spank and to have his computer use restricted.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:29:16 PM   
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Well, you were certainly guilty of solicating a prostitute, so why be surprised?

I have never received those kinds of cmails here, but I can see some people who list themselves as pros being targeted to determine the legality of their behavior. 

I've never solicited for sex for money on craigslist or here so that probably makes a difference.


Actually, if he was not asking for sex, then he was not soliciting a prostitute...
The op said the woman asked if he would pay for a play session. A tactic he could have used is gone to the police willingly, and then professed horror at the very idea he was talking about sex. I don't know what he actually said, or what "she," said, but paying someone to lick your toes or have you lick their toes for money is legal (for example)...

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:41:07 PM   
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Whether there is or there isn't is irrelevant.  Prostitution is illegal in all but one place in the US.



Really? I mean it's irrelevant how tax money is squandered? Personally I don't feel this way, but then I always believed in being political and not just being a sheep who follows orders or politicians...

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 9:57:03 PM   
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Whether there is or there isn't is irrelevant.  Prostitution is illegal in all but one place in the US.



Really? I mean it's irrelevant how tax money is squandered? Personally I don't feel this way, but then I always believed in being political and not just being a sheep who follows orders or politicians...



Jesus H. Christ -- if some guy wants to pay some woman to whip him, I don't want the cops spending one second worrying about it. I pay enough in taxes, and want none of my money pissed away on that.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 10:13:39 PM   
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I absolutely agree. I think legalizing it takes the power away from the criminal element and would ensure that the health aspect is also taken care of.


Yeah... and it draws a different client base, too.

Consider the German brothel "Artemis" (link), for instance.

They've got a building of some 40.000 sq.ft. (4.000 sq.m.) over four floors, with 60 permanent staff, including guards. Getting through the door will cost you about $100, which covers the buffet, the cinema, the pool and so forth. It's all set up as a spa, in essence. There are about 50 guest suites, freely usable, whereas the VIP suite will run you about $300. Expect to pay about $80 per half hour per girl, and they're obviously free

Girls are screened every 2 weeks with a full STD panel and required to use condoms with all clients. They have access to health care and insurance. They pay an entrance fee, the same as the clients. If they don't have a place to stay, they can stay the night at a minimal surcharge. Tax works out to about $15 per day, so net cost if you're going to work and live there is less than $150 per day. Which is equivalent to about an hour of work, and you can pick your own clients freely, because you're actually a registered independent business owner, essentially renting a place of business. A girl living there through a decent weekend makes $2500 net profit, post tax, from working 8 hour days.

Artemis itself makes nothing off the actual transactions, living off the entrance fees, and have very few potential conflicts of interest.

For comparison, in Norway, prior to the law against clients (intended to clean up the area around parliament and the tourist areas) which was passed in '09 or whenever, a street worker would have charged about $100 for a blowjob, while a random housewife that's working out of home would have charged about $750 per hour. After that law was passed, the prices dropped to ca $50 in the former case, and no idea about the latter. A brief Google tells me the prices in Mexico are more like $20 for the same thing. I would note that we have seen the expected hardening and relative increase in violent and abusive clients after the ban went into effect.

And, finally, from what I know about psychiatry, it's healthier to be in control of a situation you don't want than it is to feel like it's something you don't have control over. I'm fairly certain I would find it less problematic to be in an "independent business" setting than to be in a "human paper towel on the pier" setting, and the money would make a substantial difference. It's easier to motivate oneself to endure something that will land real money than something that will barely see you through to keep doing more of the same.

Plus, as noted, the crowd that will pay for a visit to Artemis is different from the one that will take a drive on the pier.

Win/win is a nice outcome in a difficult situation.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 11:17:02 PM   
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Aswad, couldn't agree more, if a woman decides it's what she wants to do and she's OK with it, why should I or somebody else take issue with it? I would take issue with pimps forcing women into prostitution, but by making it legal and giving the women protection, you actually gain taxes you wouldn't have had, you spend less on chasing the women, you give them some kind of security (hence eliminate the need for "protection" through pimps), you free manpower to go after the real criminals, it's a win win situation, including the fact that it is a pretty good prevention to stop diseases from spreading like wildfire. Because as a guess, I would think that the majority of the customers are married and the wives are blissfully unaware of what the husbands are doing, and finding out because you contracted an STD or HIV is possibly the worst way of finding out...

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 11:30:20 PM   
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Jesus H. Christ -- if some guy wants to pay some woman to whip him, I don't want the cops spending one second worrying about it. I pay enough in taxes, and want none of my money pissed away on that.


Of course you are going to be paying the cop's and the judge's salaries anyway.

They view this as an easy way to wrack up fines and court costs with minimal effort.

Because investigating actual crimes with real victims is a lot of work.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/29/2012 11:55:17 PM   
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At least for craigslist, you can't get the account without adding a real phone number that you yourself can answer (in order to punch back in the verification code they send you).

you can get a craigslist account without a phone number - just need any junk email account.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 12:08:32 AM   
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Not sure about the OPs case but many Yahoo profiles were planted by the FBI with smoking hot girls whom all were looking for sex and just happened to be a few days shy of 18 years of age.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 12:26:48 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady

Well, you were certainly guilty of solicating a prostitute, so why be surprised?

I have never received those kinds of cmails here, but I can see some people who list themselves as pros being targeted to determine the legality of their behavior. 

I've never solicited for sex for money on craigslist or here so that probably makes a difference.



Well, but honestly, aren't their bigger problems than what 2 consulting adults do with each other and if there is money involved? What a waste of man power and tax money...


I agree. But, prostitution/soliciting is illegal in most of the US and there's been some high profile cases where the prostitute turned out to be underage.

The OP admitted to solicitation, he admitted to something illegal.



The thing is in most of Europe (basically every European country I am aware of) prostitution is legal, so that frees enormous man power to go after the cases where underaged are involved or the women are forced to prostitute themselves, they don't need to hide from the police and actually will call the police in case they are roughed up, raped, threatened by pimps... It cut down on a lot of the criminality surrounding prostitution.


I've seen a couple articles lately about some European law enforcement or government officials saying that unfortunately that prostitution being legal has made it much harder for cops to go into a brothel and check out whether the women there are really above-board consenting sex workers vs non-consenting trafficked women, and that because using slave labor is so much more profitable than paying women fairly, human trafficking hasn't decreased at all.

Now, it's totally possible that those sources have some agenda and aren't being totally honest, but if it's true it's quite upsetting and unfortunate. I totally don't have any problem with someone working as a sex worker if that's what they want to do, and they should definitely have the same rights and protections as other workers.... but if it leads to an increase in human trafficking, I think that changes things.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 12:42:02 AM   
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Because as a guess, I would think that the majority of the customers are married and the wives are blissfully unaware of what the husbands are doing, and finding out because you contracted an STD or HIV is possibly the worst way of finding out...


This would seem fairly probable, on all counts.

For that matter, I would think an honest business transaction with a professional is infinitely preferrable to a deceitful affair. I know I would care more about an implied emotional involvement than about mere physical entanglement. To say nothing of the question of casually risking an unknown vs. choosing a known quality establishment, regardless of whether something was actually spread or not.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 12:50:51 AM   
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I would think those sources have an agenda, as the cops simply can go into any brothel and check out if the women had their health checks, the women do not need to be afraid of the cops and a lot of the cops are women, simply due to the fact that a woman being forced into prostitution would be more likely to open up to another woman, the cops are also trained to recognize signs of distress...

Ask yourself what is more likely in that scenario - a woman having to hide from the cops as she committed a crime by working as a prostitute trusting the cops or a woman who knows that the cops will help her if she was roughed up or is forced into prostitution...

Legalizing it makes it much much easier to work AGAINST human trafficking, if you got the choice to go to a brothel without fear of being robbed or getting a disease, wouldn't you rather do that than pick up somebody on the street? It takes power away from illegal prostitution and because it's so much easier to check the legal side, much more manpower and resources are freed to go after human trafficking.

Please do explain how it makes things more difficult as all brothels have to comply and cops usually show up unannounced and at random and HAVE to be let in, a brothel refusing to comply would be due to a raid - which would drive all customers away.

Don't you think if it's all illegal it's a lot easier to hide human trafficking? That if women are afraid of the police, they are less likely to report extortion, forced prostitution, human trafficking, etc.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 12:51:03 AM   
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I've seen a couple articles lately about some European law enforcement or government officials saying that unfortunately that prostitution being legal has made it much harder for cops to go into a brothel and check out whether the women there are really above-board consenting sex workers vs non-consenting trafficked women, and that because using slave labor is so much more profitable than paying women fairly, human trafficking hasn't decreased at all.

Now, it's totally possible that those sources have some agenda and aren't being totally honest, but if it's true it's quite upsetting and unfortunate. I totally don't have any problem with someone working as a sex worker if that's what they want to do, and they should definitely have the same rights and protections as other workers.... but if it leads to an increase in human trafficking, I think that changes things.


But you wouldn't need to use the police to investigate that.

There are child labor laws, immigration laws, tax regulations, health codes, occupational safety regulations...

Any number of Federal, State, and Municipal agencies can send in a bureaucrat to look at paperwork and check I.D.s whenever they want without that pesky thing called "Probable Cause" that limits most police departments.

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 1:01:32 AM   
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I would think those sources have an agenda, as the cops simply can go into any brothel and check out if the women had their health checks, the women do not need to be afraid of the cops and a lot of the cops are women, simply due to the fact that a woman being forced into prostitution would be more likely to open up to another woman, the cops are also trained to recognize signs of distress...

Ask yourself what is more likely in that scenario - a woman having to hide from the cops as she committed a crime by working as a prostitute trusting the cops or a woman who knows that the cops will help her if she was roughed up or is forced into prostitution...

Legalizing it makes it much much easier to work AGAINST human trafficking, if you got the choice to go to a brothel without fear of being robbed or getting a disease, wouldn't you rather do that than pick up somebody on the street? It takes power away from illegal prostitution and because it's so much easier to check the legal side, much more manpower and resources are freed to go after human trafficking.

Please do explain how it makes things more difficult as all brothels have to comply and cops usually show up unannounced and at random and HAVE to be let in, a brothel refusing to comply would be due to a raid - which would drive all customers away.

Don't you think if it's all illegal it's a lot easier to hide human trafficking? That if women are afraid of the police, they are less likely to report extortion, forced prostitution, human trafficking, etc.

^^^ THIS!!

not to belittle the subject, but every interview or tv show i've seen with prostitutes all want decriminalization and more mainstreaming - to make it SAFER.

i guess that makes me an expert

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 1:07:03 AM   
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Not to mention another important factor, if you are running a legitimate business and an illegal business is taking away your customers, aren't you much more likely to report it than if you are having to hide from law enforcement?

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RE: Are the cops posting profiles and fishing for pervs... - 4/30/2012 1:21:40 AM   
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