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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 9:33:24 AM   
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our right to not have vocal minority groups (or any group) push their views onto us.

You're sounding like a professional victim here. Nobody on the radio can "push their views" on you. That's what the tuning dial is for.

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re shutting people down or ruin their careers - woooosh, you totally lost me.

You'll be lost a lot if you just jump on posts without following the exchange that led to them.

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you raised a point which i directly asked you about (what's your real issue). it's okay if you want to avoid that, or not even answer.

See above.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 10:50:28 AM   
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I would also argue that given what we know about humor, the fact that some people find certain things humorous actually says something about who they are as people. Anyone who thinks it's funny to say "you should one of your friends to screw your daughter straight" is both homophobic and misogynistic. I feel ZERO need to protect someone like that. ZERO.

It seems to me humour doesn't always relate to one's own opinions. If someone is always telling sexist jokes then its fair to assume he (or even she) has issues with the opposite sex but people laugh for different reasons e.g. a lot of humour comes from people extreme/shocking opinions/content that some might find funny because it is so outrageous.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 11:38:20 AM   
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I would also argue that given what we know about humor, the fact that some people find certain things humorous actually says something about who they are as people. Anyone who thinks it's funny to say "you should one of your friends to screw your daughter straight" is both homophobic and misogynistic. I feel ZERO need to protect someone like that. ZERO.

It seems to me humour doesn't always relate to one's own opinions. If someone is always telling sexist jokes then its fair to assume he (or even she) has issues with the opposite sex but people laugh for different reasons e.g. a lot of humour comes from people extreme/shocking opinions/content that some might find funny because it is so outrageous.

This is fair, but then people aren't finding it funny. They are laughing (nervous laughter?) because it is outrageous and they are shocked/embarrassed/outraged, and for some reason (immaturity/insecurity/lack of independent thought) choose to cover up their actual reaction inside with "laughter".

You know, in my life, I actually make it a point to only laugh at things that I actually find funny. My usual reaction to things that are shocking/outrageous, but not really funny is either, "oh, that's interesting" or "well, that's outrageous". But it really has to tickle my funny bone for me to reward someone with laughter. Maybe more of us should just stop rewarding people with chuckles when they aren't being that funny.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 12:03:43 PM   
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Encouraging a heinous and unlawful act whether he was being flippant or not, isn't a matter of political correctness.


No Kidding... And I think it's a fragment of the snowball El Rushbo got rolling a while back. I've noticed the local right wing pundits testing a the water a bit by making 'humorous' (ahem) references to the earlier remarks... but nothing like this... this is just plain messed up.

These guys are complete jack offs... here's their official page if anybody wants to complain:

http://www.roverradio.com/



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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 12:07:33 PM   
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I would also argue that given what we know about humor, the fact that some people find certain things humorous actually says something about who they are as people. Anyone who thinks it's funny to say "you should one of your friends to screw your daughter straight" is both homophobic and misogynistic. I feel ZERO need to protect someone like that. ZERO.

It seems to me humour doesn't always relate to one's own opinions. If someone is always telling sexist jokes then its fair to assume he (or even she) has issues with the opposite sex but people laugh for different reasons e.g. a lot of humour comes from people extreme/shocking opinions/content that some might find funny because it is so outrageous.

This is fair, but then people aren't finding it funny. They are laughing (nervous laughter?) because it is outrageous and they are shocked/embarrassed/outraged, and for some reason (immaturity/insecurity/lack of independent thought) choose to cover up their actual reaction inside with "laughter".

You know, in my life, I actually make it a point to only laugh at things that I actually find funny. My usual reaction to things that are shocking/outrageous, but not really funny is either, "oh, that's interesting" or "well, that's outrageous". But it really has to tickle my funny bone for me to reward someone with laughter. Maybe more of us should just stop rewarding people with chuckles when they aren't being that funny.

I guess we all have different senses of what is funny. I wouldn't suggest everything shocking or outrageous is funny but there is a component of that in comedy, and there is something elemental about some of it too, e.g. children laughing when one of their friends is badly hurt. A British-Irish comedian called Jimmy Carr started a routine of telling the most outrageous jokes possible about topics that were off the scale (paedophilia etc.). It was pretty disturning but caused a storm. Jackass sort of returned things tothe Marx Brothers classic style of hit-the-guy-with-a-rubber-hammer because even though it was crude, it was always funny. Same thing with the Ross-Brand controversy that you may not have heard of. They were really nasty to an old guy, leaving message after message on his answer machine about Brand fucking his grand daughter but it was very funny mostly. I suppose it comes down to there being something primal and un-PC about comedy. Much of the time it can be funny because it says what shouldn't be said, and can be plain evil.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 12:11:49 PM   
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This is fair, but then people aren't finding it funny. They are laughing (nervous laughter?) because it is outrageous and they are shocked/embarrassed/outraged, and for some reason (immaturity/insecurity/lack of independent thought) choose to cover up their actual reaction inside with "laughter".


I would have to agree. I know there are things I laugh at that other people don't find funny for a variety of reasons... But I guarantee this crap is a one-in-ten if that. So I'd still say that just because a minority of very ignorant people think this is funny, doesn't mean we should celebrate their 'free speech'.
But have a look at their page... they cater to drunks and morons.


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 12:55:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Kirata


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our right to not have vocal minority groups (or any group) push their views onto us.

You're sounding like a professional victim here. Nobody on the radio can "push their views" on you. That's what the tuning dial is for.


I never remotely said they could. Are you reading the same thread? "pushing views" referred to your own example of the Christian right pushing their views on what we can see and hear on public radio waves. I can't help but comment and chuckle at how you read words that agree with you, yet still don't get it and go off on some rant about how i'm a "professional victim". How ad hominem and rank, yet amusing.

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re shutting people down or ruin their careers - woooosh, you totally lost me.


You'll be lost a lot if you just jump on posts without following the exchange that led to them.


I really did read the entire thread, and honed in on a specific point that had nothing to do with ruining careers or shutting people down (or any desire to do that either).

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you raised a point which i directly asked you about (what's your real issue). it's okay if you want to avoid that, or not even answer.


See above.

K.


Translation: meh, who cares. you're deflecting and dodging cus it's played out. You raised good points about mob rule, and how vocal minorities shouldn't restrict what other people want to view or hear (with obvious limitations as discussed). And you were corrected in that it's their right to do this, and you ranting on a chat board isn't "counter-protesting" (far from it). The rest is mental masturbation. Someone please hand me a Kleenex.



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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:01:33 PM   
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Encouraging a heinous and unlawful act whether he was being flippant or not, isn't a matter of political correctness.


No Kidding... And I think it's a fragment of the snowball El Rushbo got rolling a while back. I've noticed the local right wing pundits testing a the water a bit by making 'humorous' (ahem) references to the earlier remarks... but nothing like this... this is just plain messed up.

These guys are complete jack offs... here's their official page if anybody wants to complain:

http://www.roverradio.com/



BRAVO! Now this is protesting!

Just for clarity - I'm not advocating any sides here, just your right to effectively protest. I do agree the guy's a jackass, but think it's better to deal with the speech rather than trying to suppress it. I think that debate is played out, at least for me.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:04:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
I guess we all have different senses of what is funny. I wouldn't suggest everything shocking or outrageous is funny but there is a component of that in comedy, and there is something elemental about some of it too, e.g. children laughing when one of their friends is badly hurt. A British-Irish comedian called Jimmy Carr started a routine of telling the most outrageous jokes possible about topics that were off the scale (paedophilia etc.). It was pretty disturning but caused a storm. Jackass sort of returned things tothe Marx Brothers classic style of hit-the-guy-with-a-rubber-hammer because even though it was crude, it was always funny. Same thing with the Ross-Brand controversy that you may not have heard of. They were really nasty to an old guy, leaving message after message on his answer machine about Brand fucking his grand daughter but it was very funny mostly. I suppose it comes down to there being something primal and un-PC about comedy. Much of the time it can be funny because it says what shouldn't be said, and can be plain evil.

^^^ agree 100%, well said

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:05:35 PM   
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You raised good points about mob rule, and how vocal minorities shouldn't restrict what other people want to view or hear (with obvious limitations as discussed). And you were corrected in that it's their right to do this...

I couldn't have been "corrected" that it's their right, because I never said it wasn't. You're just making shit up.

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The rest is mental masturbation. Someone please hand me a Kleenex.

Sure. Here ya go. Enjoy yourself.



K.


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:10:54 PM   
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oh no need I am familar with the numbers cant blame a guy for trying. The growth is still far slower than under W unless you include census

All numbers gleaned from the BLS.gov website.

2001: Average Government employment (Civilian, non-Farm employment monthly number average) 21.12M
2008: 22.507M (1.387M increase)
2011: 22.105M (302M decrease)

Local Government #'s:
2001: 13.451M
2008: 14.569M (1.118M increase)
2011: 14.165M (0.404M decrease)

State Government #'s:
2001 4.906M
2008 5.176M (270k increase)
2011 5.082M (94k decrease)

Federal Government #'s:
2001 2.763M
2008 2.762M (1k decrease)
2011 2.858M (96k increase)

Who do you think has the greatest impact on every business at once? Locals? Nope. State? More than locals, but nope. Federal? Absolutely. But, at the Federal level, do you think it's the USPS that is the cause of concern? Me either. So, further raping of the BLS site gives us these numbers:

USPS #'s
2001 873k
2008 748k (125k drop)
2011 632k (116k drop)

Federal, no USPS #'s:
2001 1.890M
2008 2.014M (124k increase)
2011 2.225M (211k increase)

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I like your sinature by the way. I also believe only the truly need y shoulds get social safety net support but believe the term truly is redundant. needy is needy.


Glad you like my signature. Are there people who get social safety net support that don't truly need it? Yes. Yes, there are. Why? Is it because the government officials in charge of deciding who gets support are involved in some sort of scheme to bilk government? Maybe, but I highly doubt it. Most likely, there are people out there scamming government by making themselves look needy when they truly are not. A drug dealer could have zero income to report, but that does not mean he has any monetary needs that aren't being met.

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Although I am not for a conservative or liberal take on the constitution I am very strongly opposed to the type of activism that throws out a long established precendence as in citizens united.


I'm not saying this is the case, but if an activist court ruled for decades made rulings that were "activist" rulings, would you support rulings that ran counter to those precedents? I know I would. Lucky for us, precedent means little when the precedent is determined to be counter to the Constitution.

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I also think that case by instructing the group bringing the challenge to come back with a new argument the next term speaks to a desire to rule a certain way rtehr than judge legal arguments. It and the abortion ruling are the 2nd and third most activist decuions in my lifetime. We will all pay the price those corporate doantions arent given freely they are an investment with an expected return in favorable treatment. When unlimited money flows we can expect we will se ethe same type of bought and paid for goverment thast existed before laws wer epassed to stop it.

The most activist has to be Bush vs Gore where the court stepped in and overturned state law and did so while making a statement it was to hbave no precedence which is ridiculous. If it has no mprecedence as law they had no right. That isnt partisan. The court makes rulings on laws not events. In that case they ruled on an event just some thoughts on activism and the courts and the misconception many have all activism is liberal


i supprt limited govderment as well. it's a broad term. Are there parts of goverment you would eliminate? Myself I think the medicare advantage program, corporate welfare programs ( three times citizen welfare costs) and farm subsidies on farm s s,maller than a certain acreage and larger than a certain acreage so we stop paying subsidies on a Lawyers ten acres and Monsantos 2000k and return to the idea of supoorting family farms... That would be my start... seee, lierals dont like all goverment or think all of it a good. Those are just handouts to the unneedy not thetruly needy. It';'s like the inasane tobacco subsidies in Va given to farmers with net worths of 800k a few years ago. Wealthy people dont need a handout only the needy need a hand up


Dept of Education. All Farm subsidies. While I have the axe out, all subsidies. Might need to get the chainsaw to rid the IRS tax code of all loopholes. Hell, while we're at it, delete the IRS and institute the Flat Tax. Drastically slash the Defense budget (bring all the troops home; close our foreign bases; stop playing World cop for everyone else). Fannie and Freddie. There are a whole slew of financial changes I would make.

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Consumption is tricky. have you read how high rates would have to be to replace the Income tax or how regressive it would be in terms of poercentasge of income paid?? We already have a regressive system form what I understand that system would be a huge cut in high end rates that are already lower than middle class rates and a huge increase in the rate the poor and middle class pay


Rates would probably have to be 23%, but I'd even go 25% and keep food exemptions, like we have now. The more you spend, the more tax you pay. Spend less, pay less in taxes. Get paid under the table? Consumption taxes still apply.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:33:19 PM   
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I know there are things I laugh at that other people don't find funny for a variety of reasons... But I guarantee this crap is a one-in-ten if that. So I'd still say that just because a minority of very ignorant people think this is funny, doesn't mean we should celebrate their 'free speech'.
But have a look at their page... they cater to drunks and morons.

Clicked on the link and scanned through the page - agree its pretty much for morons but it doesn't fucking close for some reason!

To FTP: just to clarify I didn't find what the DJ said remotely funny either. My reply was more a point about comedy in general.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:35:21 PM   
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meh, you choose to ignore substantive questions you're challenged with, and focus on semantics.

*uses Kleenix*

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 1:52:05 PM   
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I know there are things I laugh at that other people don't find funny for a variety of reasons... But I guarantee this crap is a one-in-ten if that. So I'd still say that just because a minority of very ignorant people think this is funny, doesn't mean we should celebrate their 'free speech'.
But have a look at their page... they cater to drunks and morons.

Clicked on the link and scanned through the page - agree its pretty much for morons but it doesn't fucking close for some reason!

To FTP: just to clarify I didn't find what the DJ said remotely funny either. My reply was more a point about comedy in general.


No worries, I didn't mean to suggest that you, personally, found it funny. But I do think that what people find funny can often be very telling about them as human beings. I can't argue with the fact that some things that I find offensive are some things that others find funny (and perhaps, vice versa) because we are each our own person, and will find funny what we find funny. But what we each laugh at absolutely reveals something more about each of us than perhaps we are willing to admit. That some humor is grounded in negative things is a well accepted fact. But this means that just because something is funny, we cannot, as a society, simply laugh off the whole thing. More of a general comment about how we approach humor and offensiveness, when obviously there is some overlap between the two.


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 2:18:45 PM   
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The group in this case is the people of the United States, who want to be able freely to choose who they want to listen to on the radio, on television, or on the Internet. Yes, you have every right to purchase from whomever you wish, or not, and to use your power as a consumer to influence decisions by bringing financial pressure to bear on those who make them. My quibble is not with your methods, it is with your ends.

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what's your real issue?

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

you raised a point which i directly asked you about (what's your real issue). it's okay if you want to avoid that, or not even answer.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

You raised good points about mob rule, and how vocal minorities shouldn't restrict what other people want to view or hear

Funny how you know the answer to the question you claim I avoided, eh?

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

And you were corrected in that it's their right to do this...

you have every right to purchase from whomever you wish, or not, and to use your power as a consumer to influence decisions by bringing financial pressure to bear on those who make them.

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ORIGINAL: Karmastic

meh, you choose to ignore substantive questions you're challenged with, and focus on semantics.

Yeah, that must be it.

K.


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 4:14:34 PM   
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sorry i stopped using quotes because this is getting to be too much.

the point i raised was you not recognizing that advocacy groups can and should use their power. you did that when you complained about the Christian right advocating to shut someone down. based on you now recognizing the consumer right to that power, you now seem to be making a false distinction between consumer power, and advocacy power.

advocacy group power is just as legitimate, albeit more prone to abuse.

and while it is a free market of ideas, money is always in the mix of power. that said, us bitching and kvetching about it doesn't qualify very well as protesting.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 5:09:15 PM   
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Wow. As not supportive of PC as I am, this has nothing to do with PC.


Epiphany Alert


Yeah, I checked... these guys regularly taunt women. They're apparently just reaching a new plateau. That link I provided has a contact URL at the bottom. Wouldn't be cool if I wasn't the only male from this site to complain?


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 5:10:53 PM   
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I say let's get Bubba the Enormous Ex-Con and his Enormous Whatsit to screw this idiot gay.


Can we make him Jobless first? I couldn't live with myself if he had to go through all that snickering at the office.


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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 5:21:39 PM   
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Encouraging a heinous and unlawful act whether he was being flippant or not, isn't a matter of political correctness.


No Kidding... And I think it's a fragment of the snowball El Rushbo got rolling a while back. I've noticed the local right wing pundits testing a the water a bit by making 'humorous' (ahem) references to the earlier remarks... but nothing like this... this is just plain messed up.

These guys are complete jack offs... here's their official page if anybody wants to complain:

http://www.roverradio.com/




Okay, I am late in checking out the website. Sigh.

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RE: “You should get one of your friends to screw your... - 5/2/2012 5:52:07 PM   
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Okay, I am late in checking out the website. Sigh.


You're a guy?

Woops ... I made some erroneous assumptions about your gender over the past several months ... sorry.



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