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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 12:50:00 PM   
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What politician who has been in office 4 years or more isn't rich?

What politician got into office without being rich before they were elected?
(I'll give you a clue: "no fucker" is the answer.)

At what level, moon?. Local or state, a LOT of them. National, not so much.
My problem is the ones who were born with the proverbial silver spoon in their mouth, Senator Daddy kept them out of trouble and away from all those nasty wars and then they want to lead the country or be a governor or senator.

One of our senators was born middle class, started a construction company, got rich and now he retired and ran for senate.
Our congressman put himself thru med school with student loans, made good money as an OB/GYN and retired and ran for congress.
I don't have a problem with that so much as at least they have a clue about what it is to have a job like the rest of us.
I disagree with a lot of their policies but at least they aren't a Kennedy or a Bush.

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 12:57:19 PM   
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Fair enough. I'd assumed your state governance was like the Bushes as a rule.
(Your senator though, appears to have been on quite a firm financial basis before he stood for office, even if it wasn't his folks giving him a free ride...)

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 12:59:58 PM   
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Fair enough. I'd assumed your state governance was like the Bushes as a rule.
(Your senator though, appears to have been on quite a firm financial basis before he stood for office, even if it wasn't his folks giving him a free ride...)

Oh, he was damn wealthy before he ran for office but he built that company from the ground up. At least he knows what it's like to worry about bills and whether or not he will make payroll this month and "holy shit, what if I don't get that bid? I'll never be able to make payments on that grader and front end loader I just bought."

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:05:09 PM   
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What politician who has been in office 4 years or more isn't rich?

What politician got into office without being rich before they were elected?
(I'll give you a clue: "no fucker" is the answer.)

Well there was Bill Clinton and Obam was self made from foodstamps to millionaire Nixon and Reagan came from humble starts as well it's why Nixon favored hcr he saw the hardship first hand bnot having it caused. In romneys America only Obama wouold go to college

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:05:50 PM   
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True enough.
My point though, was that you need to be doing quite well to run for government in the first place. I won't argue that there's a difference between your senator and the twat the Republicans have scraped up out of the barrel to challenge the Kenyan, but neither are short of cash, even if one of them had to earn it themself, dig?

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:06:53 PM   
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What politician who has been in office 4 years or more isn't rich?

What politician got into office without being rich before they were elected?
(I'll give you a clue: "no fucker" is the answer.)

Well there was Bill Clinton and Obam was self made from foodstamps to millionaire Nixon and Reagan came from humble starts as well it's why Nixon favored hcr he saw the hardship first hand bnot having it caused

Neither Clinton, Nixon nor Reagan was broke when first elected.
(Though all three have a better claim on the Horatio Alger thing than Romney does.)

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:19:49 PM   
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Prescott Bush (King George I's grandfather?) was a robber barron (trains, originally, I think) who had some kind of connection to weapons sales, if I remember correctly. He certainly got into oil and the family wanted for very little.

Joe Kennedy was a Foreign Service worker and possible CIA operative who certainly beefed up the family cauffers. Not too many lefties bitched about his sons' "opportunity" when they ran for president. Weekend touch football photo ops, complete with cardigans included.

John Kerry's family had a few sheckles and he married into even more and no one seemed to mind that he never worked a day in his life (and made every effort to have his father buy him out of the war in Vietnam).

I agree with a couple/few who have said that even if you start with an advantage, it's still a rough climb to get to where some of these families/men got to. Why not appreciate that a "businessman" might have the economic sense to get this country back on the right track?

Certainly, there have been self-made men, along the way, also but that doesn't mean that they were completely ethical in their accomplishment (it also doesn't mean that they weren't). It means that they too were "businessmen" (Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, LBJ, and Harry Truman come to mind).

I don't see where "having money" is some kind of criminal fault; unless the person that believes that is a socialist/communist, where's the "sin"?

Baseball Mitt said that if you could borrow money from your family, you should. I wish I would have.

I was too proud ... too anti-establishment ... too lefty to do so, when I was a younger man. I could have gone to any university I wished or started any (reasonable) business of the scores of ideas for industry that I had. I had to do it my way because I had to be "self-made" so my other pinko, anti-establishment, mush-head friends would respect my choices. Fuck that noise. I was a fool. While there was some satisfaction for paying my own way through school, the time wasted haunts me, now.



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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:26:33 PM   
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What politician who has been in office 4 years or more isn't rich?

What politician got into office without being rich before they were elected?
(I'll give you a clue: "no fucker" is the answer.)

Well there was Bill Clinton and Obam was self made from foodstamps to millionaire Nixon and Reagan came from humble starts as well it's why Nixon favored hcr he saw the hardship first hand bnot having it caused

Neither Clinton, Nixon nor Reagan was broke when first elected.
(Though all three have a better claim on the Horatio Alger thing than Romney does.)

No but they all came from very humble starts givingthem all a common touch

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:30:21 PM   
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Certainly a lot more of one than Romney has, no question.

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 1:35:18 PM   
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Prescott Bush (King George I's grandfather?) was a robber barron (trains, originally, I think) who had some kind of connection to weapons sales, if I remember correctly. He certainly got into oil and the family wanted for very little.

Joe Kennedy was a Foreign Service worker and possible CIA operative who certainly beefed up the family cauffers. Not too many lefties bitched about his sons' "opportunity" when they ran for president. Weekend touch football photo ops, complete with cardigans included.

John Kerry's family had a few sheckles and he married into even more and no one seemed to mind that he never worked a day in his life (and made every effort to have his father buy him out of the war in Vietnam).

I agree with a couple/few who have said that even if you start with an advantage, it's still a rough climb to get to where some of these families/men got to. Why not appreciate that a "businessman" might have the economic sense to get this country back on the right track?

Certainly, there have been self-made men, along the way, also but that doesn't mean that they were completely ethical in their accomplishment (it also doesn't mean that they weren't). It means that they too were "businessmen" (Jimmy Carter, Richard Nixon, LBJ, and Harry Truman come to mind).

I don't see where "having money" is some kind of criminal fault; unless the person that believes that is a socialist/communist, where's the "sin"?

Baseball Mitt said that if you could borrow money from your family, you should. I wish I would have.

I was too proud ... too anti-establishment ... too lefty to do so, when I was a younger man. I could have gone to any university I wished or started any (reasonable) business of the scores of ideas for industry that I had. I had to do it my way because I had to be "self-made" so my other pinko, anti-establishment, mush-head friends would respect my choices. Fuck that noise. I was a fool. While there was some satisfaction for paying my own way through school, the time wasted haunts me, now.



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The thing is Mitt ended up right where he started. exact same quintile of income like most americans today he didnt claw anywhere he went sideways I dont have an issue with his money. My issue is with his lack of understanding how most live that would make the college statement. without student loans it would be unlikely you paid your way through college today. mitt is symptomatic of the dreath of the american dream the last generation. Most end up right where they start. That is not a symptom of a meritocracy as you describe when you reference succuss in business. We need to open up access to education so we can get the most out of our most valuable resource the american people and at least get to a place where talant and birth were eqwual in deciding the income quintile you ended up in. A stagnant class structure is prrof of how poorly we are managing our human resources as a Nation. I said mitt was just like a Kennedy itisnt a bitch but it sure isnt self made

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 7:40:51 PM   
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Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Your Parents

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If you’re young and you want to start your own business, Mitt Romney’s has some advice from you: Borrow money from your parents. At a “lecture” for students at Otterbein University in Ohio today, Mitt Romney told students that, his friend, Jimmy John, started a business by borrowing $20,000 from his parents at a low interest rate. Romney suggested anyone in the audience could do the same:

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This kind of devisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we’ve seen in our country’s history. We’ve always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.


The advice fits right into the characterization that Romney is ‘out of touch’ with regular people. Most students don’t have parents with $20,000 in disposable capital sitting around to give to their kids to start a business.







When did we start relying on the government to handle all our ills?

In the early part of this century, when old people (our Mom and Dad) got sick or....old....they moved in with you, or you bought a place next door....or.....remodeled your garage.....

We don't do that now. Why?

We call on the government.

When did we forget about our Mom and Dad?

Why don't we take care of our own?

I take care of mine.

Happy to do so.

I'll give them every damn thing they want....they were there when I couldn't stop peeing on myself.

They were then when I could get my shit together as a teen.

I'm there.

Why is Romney such a shit for brains because he expects us to take care of our own?



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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/1/2012 8:20:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Your Parents

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If you’re young and you want to start your own business, Mitt Romney’s has some advice from you: Borrow money from your parents. At a “lecture” for students at Otterbein University in Ohio today, Mitt Romney told students that, his friend, Jimmy John, started a business by borrowing $20,000 from his parents at a low interest rate. Romney suggested anyone in the audience could do the same:

quote:

This kind of devisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we’ve seen in our country’s history. We’ve always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.


The advice fits right into the characterization that Romney is ‘out of touch’ with regular people. Most students don’t have parents with $20,000 in disposable capital sitting around to give to their kids to start a business.







When did we start relying on the government to handle all our ills?

In the early part of this century, when old people (our Mom and Dad) got sick or....old....they moved in with you, or you bought a place next door....or.....remodeled your garage.....

We don't do that now. Why?

We call on the government.

When did we forget about our Mom and Dad?

Why don't we take care of our own?

I take care of mine.

Happy to do so.

I'll give them every damn thing they want....they were there when I couldn't stop peeing on myself.

They were then when I could get my shit together as a teen.

I'm there.

Why is Romney such a shit for brains because he expects us to take care of our own?



Great attitude but your warm thoughts on our past don't reflect the harsh realities. before Social Security 46 percent of the lederly lived below the poverty line. When a family is struggling to get by there arent extra resources for an elder and all suffer. Romney 'is statement is ridiculous. because most families dont have that money to lend to one kid let alone 2 or 3. It is out of touch. he seems to have no idea it's rare for a family to have 6 mo savings let alone 300k to send three kids to college

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/2/2012 7:02:31 AM   
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"Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business"

Yeah. That's certainly "out of touch" (If you're a Lefty Apologist and feel the need for spin). Actually, it's not like he said: "You should be able to borrow ..." or "Don't your parents have $20,000 to lend you?" but, that isn't what was said.

Unfortunately, what's happening here is a the lefties are a little scared that the current failure-in-chief's re-election is not quite the slam-dunk they had hoped it would be. He's had three years to do what he promised to do and while he has managed to keep some of his campaign promises, they've come much more slowly than the junior senator from Illinois thought they would.

Since, the lefties can't point to all of President Obama's successes, they need to point to any imagined short-comings of his opponent. They - like their icon - are running scared. If they weren't, this story wouldn't need to be spun to the point where the title of the story is almost the antithesis of the actual quote.



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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/2/2012 7:06:07 AM   
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What politician who has been in office 4 years or more isn't rich?

What politician got into office without being rich before they were elected?
(I'll give you a clue: "no fucker" is the answer.)


"No fucker" - I don't remember his candidacy

But in all seriousness, it does take a lot of money to run an effective campaign, especially at the national level, but not all candidates are wealthy.

Also, I think we need to distinguish between a couple of things. There are those who grew up struggling, and who have not forgotten their roots. Their background informs their policy decisions. Then there are those (e.g., FDR, Kennedy) who grew up wealthy, but who stood behind policies that helped those with less.

Growing up wealthy doesn't mean anything in and of itself. I know people who grew up wealthy who support policies to help those with less. I also know people who grew up poor, who, now that they've made it, are not interested in helping anyone else because they feel they made it on their own, and don't "owe" anyone else any help.

At the end of the day, for me, what matters is not how someone grew up, but the policies that they believe in and support TODAY. I really could care less about what someone grew up with. Lucky sperm club. Who cares really? It is about what future they want to build for the country and whose interests they feel they should protect. I will vote for a rich man if he is interested in protecting the interests of women, the poor, the disenfranchised, etc. and helping create an economy where there is a more equal playing field. I don't care about wealth per se.


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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/2/2012 7:29:11 AM   
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So, for some unknown reason, the righties running scared I guess because they can't point to one positive accomplishment since eisenhower, and they are pretty much imploding, they think that a man who pledges that "If I'm President" every college graduate will be guaranteed a job, Iran will have no nuclear weapons and the United States will dominate the 21st century.......is going to be president?   Wasn't he the same guy that said we shouldnt go into Pakistan to get Osama Bin Laden?

I think that the right is shitting their pants and running around like chickens with their heads cut off (which is the usual modus operandi) short of facts and knowing that the sky is gonna really fall this time.......   

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/2/2012 8:28:21 AM   
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"Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business"

Yeah. That's certainly "out of touch" (If you're a Lefty Apologist and feel the need for spin). Actually, it's not like he said: "You should be able to borrow ..." or "Don't your parents have $20,000 to lend you?" but, that isn't what was said.

Unfortunately, what's happening here is a the lefties are a little scared that the current failure-in-chief's re-election is not quite the slam-dunk they had hoped it would be. He's had three years to do what he promised to do and while he has managed to keep some of his campaign promises, they've come much more slowly than the junior senator from Illinois thought they would.

Since, the lefties can't point to all of President Obama's successes, they need to point to any imagined short-comings of his opponent. They - like their icon - are running scared. If they weren't, this story wouldn't need to be spun to the point where the title of the story is almost the antithesis of the actual quote.



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actually you have no idea where he stands because he cartwheeled this week flip.,...flop


feb he flipped
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The high school senior who stood up at Mitt Romney’s town hall meeting here today was worried about how he and his family would pay for college, and wanted to hear what the candidate would do about rising college costs if elected. He didn’t realize that Mr. Romney was about to use him to demonstrate his fiscal conservatism to the crowd.

The answer: nothing.

Mr. Romney was perfectly polite to the student. He didn’t talk about the dangers of liberal indoctrination on college campuses, as Rick Santorum might have. But his warning was clear: shop around and get a good price, because you’re on your own.

“It would be popular for me to stand up and say I’m going to give you government money to pay for your college, but I’m not going to promise that,” he said, to sustained applause from the crowd at a high-tech metals assembly factory here. “Don’t just go to one that has the highest price. Go to one that has a little lower price where you can get a good education. And hopefully you’ll find that. And don’t expect the government to forgive the debt that you take on.”

There wasn’t a word about the variety of government loan programs, which have made it possible for millions of students to get college degrees. There wasn’t a word urging colleges to hold down tuition increases, as President Obama has been doing, or a suggestion that the student consider a work-study program.

And there wasn’t a word about Pell Grants, in case the student’s family had a low enough income to qualify. That may be because Mr. Romney supports the House Republican budget, which would cut Pell Grants by 25 percent or more at a time when they are needed more than ever.

Instead, the advice was pretty brutal: if you can’t afford college, look around for a scholarship (good luck with that), try to graduate in less than four years, or join the military if you want a free education.

That’s the face of modern Republican austerity. Don’t talk about the value of higher education to the country’s economic future, and don’t bother to think about ways to make it more accessible to strapped families. Tell students not to take on more debt than they can afford, wish them well, and move
this week he flopped
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In recent days, Romney has come out in favor of steps also advocated by Democrats to hold down interest rates for federal student loans
So he basically did a 180....again

Obama, got osama, fought and won agaisnt republicans and prevented the end of 500k jobs and Chrysler and GM, signed into laww banking reforms to prevent a reoccurence of what just happened, cr4eated a consumer finance buraua to potect consumers form the type of abuses and miseading representations of loans that ended with so many losing homes, signed into law a deficit nuetral bill to increase health care cobe5rage and guarentee the sick coulf get coverage, end the practice of huge overhead and little medical care from mpremiums, set minu=imum standards to prevent the sad continueing story of insured poeople discovering they ewere sold kaka insurance, preventts the practice of Insurers looking for minor omissions as long as a decade old to drop coverage when care was needed....nope didnt do anything


I think whats telling is anti middle class Mitt on student loans...saying that stuff while calling for more high end tax cuts.

Tell me which is more important a 8 percent high end cut or these programs which will be eliminated to finance the republican flip flop on student loans?
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5 prevention programs being targeted
By: Kathryn Smith
April 29, 2012 11:13 PM EDT

The fight in Congress over the Prevention and Public Health Fund may rage on for a while longer.

Republicans voted last week to eliminate what they termed as a “slush fund” as a way to prevent a large increase in student loan rates. Democrats disagree and will keep pushing for other student loan pay-fors. The prevention fund already has been hit with a $5 billion cut this year.

Here’s a look at five programs currently funded that could find themselves without cash, depending on how this fight plays out.

Tobacco prevention

$83 million was allocated to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to target health messages for areas with high tobacco use. CDC Director Thomas Frieden said last week that his organization’s Tips from Former Smokers advocacy campaign has had an impact with calls to their “1-800-QUIT-NOW” phone line doubling. But they’re up against deep pockets. Frieden said the $54 million spent on the campaign “will be outspent by the tobacco industry in two days.”

Suicide prevention

The fund set aside $10 million to support programs such as the National Suicide Prevention Lifeline, a network of more than 150 crisis centers that provide counseling and mental health referrals 24 hours a day, and the Suicide Prevention Resource Center, which provides training and resources.

Community transformation grants

This year the fund put $226 million toward local projects promoting healthy lifestyles that help combat heart disease, cancer, stroke and diabetes. The program helps connect the health care system with faith-based, business, education, transportation and other community groups. Richard Hamburg, deputy director of the Trust for America’s Health, said 760 local, state and national organizations are on board. Without the grants, “we lose a chance — maybe our best chance — to turn our sick care system into a health care system,” he said. “The breadth and depth of support shows just how important the fund is.”

Immunization

$190 million of the fund is directed to the Section 317 program, a federal effort that builds infrastructure and operations to bump up vaccination rates for kids, teenagers and adults nationwide. The special focus is on underinsured children.

Health care-associated infections

The prevention fund allocated nearly $12 million to the CDC to help state health departments reduce infections that arise from treatment in a hospital or health care facility. They are costly and deadly. Efforts range from steps like promoting proper hand washing and sterilization to upgrading electronic reporting to track infections that are spreading. The CDC released data last week showing central line bloodstream infections dropped 32 percent in 2010

Now mirror that agaisnt the 400 million in subsidies and tax abatement oil companies get....
Do you really think the oil companies need the subsidies more than we need those program



Was it you who said he ws being forced to engage in commerce and but insurance? Is healthcare something people really choose not to engage in and if not should they be able to go chapter 7 when the buy a Humvee instead of insurance and have a health crisis and a 200k bill? Why should I have to pay for them?

Oh and I guess they are for the violence against women act this week too. How can you know what Romney is for???? How can anyone say a prty proposing massive tax cuts is focused on deficit reduction? I'm glad theycaved on the loans but it isnt enough. We need a path for people swith talent t o rise. We need a return to the post ww2 meritocracy.What changed the last 30 yrs ppolicy wise that cause d the shift form mobility between classes and stagnation? Why do people move between classes in Europe and not here?

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What politician who has been in office 4 years or more isn't rich?

What politician got into office without being rich before they were elected?
(I'll give you a clue: "no fucker" is the answer.)


"No fucker" - I don't remember his candidacy

But in all seriousness, it does take a lot of money to run an effective campaign, especially at the national level, but not all candidates are wealthy.

Also, I think we need to distinguish between a couple of things. There are those who grew up struggling, and who have not forgotten their roots. Their background informs their policy decisions. Then there are those (e.g., FDR, Kennedy) who grew up wealthy, but who stood behind policies that helped those with less.

Growing up wealthy doesn't mean anything in and of itself. I know people who grew up wealthy who support policies to help those with less. I also know people who grew up poor, who, now that they've made it, are not interested in helping anyone else because they feel they made it on their own, and don't "owe" anyone else any help.

At the end of the day, for me, what matters is not how someone grew up, but the policies that they believe in and support TODAY. I really could care less about what someone grew up with. Lucky sperm club. Who cares really? It is about what future they want to build for the country and whose interests they feel they should protect. I will vote for a rich man if he is interested in protecting the interests of women, the poor, the disenfranchised, etc. and helping create an economy where there is a more equal playing field. I don't care about wealth per se.


here!here! a meritocracy whrre talent is encouraged and privilege not guarenteed.... the opposite of what the statistics indicate is todays america

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/2/2012 6:19:59 PM   
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Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Your Parents

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If you’re young and you want to start your own business, Mitt Romney’s has some advice from you: Borrow money from your parents. At a “lecture” for students at Otterbein University in Ohio today, Mitt Romney told students that, his friend, Jimmy John, started a business by borrowing $20,000 from his parents at a low interest rate. Romney suggested anyone in the audience could do the same:

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This kind of devisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we’ve seen in our country’s history. We’ve always encouraged young people: Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business.


The advice fits right into the characterization that Romney is ‘out of touch’ with regular people. Most students don’t have parents with $20,000 in disposable capital sitting around to give to their kids to start a business.







When did we start relying on the government to handle all our ills?

In the early part of this century, when old people (our Mom and Dad) got sick or....old....they moved in with you, or you bought a place next door....or.....remodeled your garage.....

We don't do that now. Why?

We call on the government.

When did we forget about our Mom and Dad?

Why don't we take care of our own?

I take care of mine.

Happy to do so.

I'll give them every damn thing they want....they were there when I couldn't stop peeing on myself.

They were then when I could get my shit together as a teen.

I'm there.

Why is Romney such a shit for brains because he expects us to take care of our own?



Great attitude but your warm thoughts on our past don't reflect the harsh realities. before Social Security 46 percent of the lederly lived below the poverty line. When a family is struggling to get by there arent extra resources for an elder and all suffer. Romney 'is statement is ridiculous. because most families dont have that money to lend to one kid let alone 2 or 3. It is out of touch. he seems to have no idea it's rare for a family to have 6 mo savings let alone 300k to send three kids to college


In the early (19)20's, families took care of their own.

Now they don't.

100 years ago (before government deemed it appropriate to tell us all how to live)...we paid our own way...and you know what? It worked. No one got fat (and guess what....diabetes was pretty damn much non existent in adults....now it's prevalent in children under 10).

I know 99.9999% of the population don't plan for tomorrow....but truly....why is that your prob? It sure as fuck ain't mine.

100 years ago family took care of family. Today we are assured that government will take care of us. In every 1rst world economy globally.

That's a pathetic joke....but most don't find the humor, they just expect a check.

When we all quit expecting the government to hand out the dole......this house will be in order.

Romney will kill job creation (in the short term) but in the end....he'll prove the case.

We need to stop believing the government is going to save us....it just fucking ain't.

Pain is required.

Stop buying 55 inch TV's, start planting potatoes and carrots.

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RE: Romney’s Advice To Students: Borrow Money From Yo... - 5/2/2012 6:23:10 PM   
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So your against good advice? Not surprised.


Just another FD throw crap and hope it sticks thread... Nothing to see here, move along.


Then of course there's good advice the Romney fans if they want a PRAYER of getting the moderate independents on his side...


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