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Hand clenching on its own - 4/30/2012 10:48:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		So someone was playing with me (mostly spanking/crop/scratching) and after a while my left hand started clenching involuntarly. Kind of freaked me out so I asked to stop. I've had something similar happen when I almost passed out from running one time except this time I didn't feel nearly as terrible. Don't know what to make of it.


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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 4/30/2012 5:14:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Talk to your doctor? Sounds like anxiety to me.


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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 4/30/2012 6:37:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was seeing my doctor tomorrow anyway so I'm going to bring it up.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 4/30/2012 7:27:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bring up both times it happened and how you felt otherwise: you said that you felt worse the first time.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/1/2012 12:28:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		Doctor basically ignored it, issues with general pain in knees more pressing it seems, which I guess means it's not something too much to worry about?

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/1/2012 4:15:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		I sometimes get muscle twitches when I'm in the same position for too long, kneeling against a wall with my hands above my head, after ten mins or so my arms started to shake... Similarly muscles in the arch of my foot have been known to twitch when pressure is applied to a certain point...

Maybe it's something like that?

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/1/2012 4:41:30 PM   
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I sometimes get muscle twitches when I'm in the same position for too long, kneeling against a wall with my hands above my head, after ten mins or so my arms started to shake... Similarly muscles in the arch of my foot have been known to twitch when pressure is applied to a certain point...

Maybe it's something like that?


I was laying down on a table with my hands over my head for a decent amount just beforehand. That's a pretty relaxed position though (not to say I wasn't tensed somewhat). I figure I'll make sure I've eaten better/drink more and worry about it more if it happens again. If a doctor isn't worried about it too much, not much I can do.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/1/2012 5:35:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		sounds to me like muscle weakness. I've had problems with having my arms up or standing on my toes because I lack muscle strength in those areas.



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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/1/2012 6:45:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		You could have been putting pressure on a nerve without knowing it and that caused the problem

However, I would NOT take the position that if the doctor isn't worried, there isn't much you can do.  Ask the doctor specifically why they aren't worried and what they believe the cause was.  If you don't like the answer, or the doctor is offhand about it, then find a new doctor.  Your doctor should be there to explain and alleviate any concerns you have about your health, regardless of whether it is "something" or not.  I'm not saying that it IS something, but you are entitled to have your doctor take your concerns seriously and if it is nothing, to explain to you in a way you can understand why he/she thinks so.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/1/2012 6:51:47 PM   
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You could have been putting pressure on a nerve without knowing it and that caused the problem

However, I would NOT take the position that if the doctor isn't worried, there isn't much you can do.  Ask the doctor specifically why they aren't worried and what they believe the cause was.  If you don't like the answer, or the doctor is offhand about it, then find a new doctor.  Your doctor should be there to explain and alleviate any concerns you have about your health, regardless of whether it is "something" or not.  I'm not saying that it IS something, but you are entitled to have your doctor take your concerns seriously and if it is nothing, to explain to you in a way you can understand why he/she thinks so.


I understand what you're saying, but I have other issues I'm dealing with. I only have so much willingness to press doctors and only have so many options for new ones (I actually liked this one too) : (

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/3/2012 12:39:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I understand the lack of options in finding new doctors.  Been there, it sucks.  But especially since you like this doctor, you need to press him/her on needing answers.  No good doctor is going to get mad at a patient for wanting to understand.  There is also the issue that since this happened before, he might look at it differently if you bring it up again.

Doctors are human and sometimes will overlook things initially because it is uncommon for a particular age group or gender.  That's why I said, asking him why he thinks it is nothing is so important.  All you have to do is tell your doctor that if he could help you understand why it isn't important, it would ease your mind.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/5/2012 7:17:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would have to assume that if it only happened twice, it isn't that important.

It's pretty common with me that when he's doing some things, one of my legs will start twitching. I think I just need an outlet for the stimulation.

Are you positive you weren't clenching that hand to handle things?

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/5/2012 7:58:39 AM   
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I would have to assume that if it only happened twice, it isn't that important.

It's pretty common with me that when he's doing some things, one of my legs will start twitching. I think I just need an outlet for the stimulation.

Are you positive you weren't clenching that hand to handle things?


It wasn't a twitch. It was like a spasm that wasn't painful. I'm sure it wasn't under my control it persisted for about 15 minutes.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/5/2012 7:51:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Soyokaze
So someone was playing with me (mostly spanking/crop/scratching) and after a while my left hand started clenching involuntarly. Kind of freaked me out so I asked to stop. I've had something similar happen when I almost passed out from running one time except this time I didn't feel nearly as terrible. Don't know what to make of it.

At what frequency did the clenching occur?
How exactly did you feel, both times?
What is the matter with the knees?
Do you have any other medical issues?

At a guess, I am inclined to think that there is some kind of natrium/potassium oscillation between your blood and the affected muscle, likely affected by dilated blood vessels. This hypothetical oscillation - arising by an unknown mechanism - triggers an involuntary action potential across the muscle, causing the calcium organelles within the muscle cell to release the calcium, which triggers the clenching. Next the balance is regained and the cycle repeats.

Hypothetically, the same might occur with your heart and that might damage the heart.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/5/2012 8:57:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Soyokaze
So someone was playing with me (mostly spanking/crop/scratching) and after a while my left hand started clenching involuntarly. Kind of freaked me out so I asked to stop. I've had something similar happen when I almost passed out from running one time except this time I didn't feel nearly as terrible. Don't know what to make of it.

At what frequency did the clenching occur?
How exactly did you feel, both times?
What is the matter with the knees?
Do you have any other medical issues?

At a guess, I am inclined to think that there is some kind of natrium/potassium oscillation between your blood and the affected muscle, likely affected by dilated blood vessels. This hypothetical oscillation - arising by an unknown mechanism - triggers an involuntary action potential across the muscle, causing the calcium organelles within the muscle cell to release the calcium, which triggers the clenching. Next the balance is regained and the cycle repeats.

Hypothetically, the same might occur with your heart and that might damage the heart.



It was just a steady clenching until my hand relaxed on it's own. It clenched for about 15 minutes and then stopped. I could force it open by will but it would snap back to a fist. Sorry, I kind of just want to lay this to rest until I have more data points. I'm getting seen for a couple of genetic diseases so it's not like I won't get a chance to ask doctors about it again in a month or so.

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RE: Hand clenching on its own - 5/6/2012 7:09:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		it could be muscle fatigue, an emotional response/trigger, spasm, anything.

These can be attributed to a myriad of things, bodily fatigue, emotional fatigue, the mind being overwhelmed co-inciding with the body senses being overwhelmed. The list can go on.

The main focus is to narrow down what causes it, by is by keeping a journal(yes it sounds tedious). this will give you a time line of what happened before/during/after(example= had a stressful day at work,didnt have enough time to eat properly before going out to play/scene, no relaxation time,not explaining to Top/Dom/Domme, etc...) At the very least it will give you insight to what may or may not be happening, and what can be done differently by yourself. Once you have narrowed it down then possibly describing these to your doctor if needed will better help him/her to diagnose the issue if needed.

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