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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/2/2012 11:21:44 PM   
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Exhibit C I was sent this one of the crowd coming down from the BWay... but I am not sure is this is 5th Ave cause of the vantage point. I remember passing the church though




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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/2/2012 11:39:27 PM   
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Exhibit D - Then there were other events going on elsewhere in town which never got to because of the size of the crowd and the attempts by groups of police to separate the whole crowd. Here's one, Speeches and a Concert in Union Square. It can hold a huge number of people... One of the radio stations claimed that at this one location there were over 10k. When they buried that police chief in Greenland NH on the 19th of last month, there were over 5k cops seated within the confines of the town football field. I've been to Union Sq before and it's easily 3 or 4 times as big as that....





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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/2/2012 11:47:16 PM   
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Did one of them finally get a job or shower or something? :)

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/2/2012 11:47:22 PM   
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Exhibit E - Two Stock Brokers about to butt fuck each other in defiance of the machers




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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 12:31:02 AM   
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SubRob will love this high grade police work ... Cops SO fucking guilty of bouncing this dude onto the ground and then nailing him twice on the ground, that for all their potential bogus witnesses (brother officers) NONE would even go for the fake arrest to cover their asses. If you hear about any 'clashes with police in NYC' this was pretty much what was happening. Otherwise people (including cops) got along for most part. At one point, I walked by a crowd of cops and a White Shirt (supervisor from the looks of him) was dressing down a patrolman for some kind of interaction with a protester and we could clearly hear him say "you want to get suspended? cool off."
But I really don't want to paint the wrong picture... there were cops among the union people marching with us and as we came down 5th ave, they would walk over to the barrier and shake hands and even exchange jabs with other on-duty cops they clearly knew.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/22281388/highlight/260757



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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 12:44:14 AM   
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Did one of them finally get a job or shower or something? :)


This guy didn't bathe ... but I hear he smells of english pee-koch





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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 5:43:09 AM   
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http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/18050158/mud-hens

Call on the general public. Government didn't force this. This wasn't part of any Federal bail out requirements. This is done by the bank, in conjunction with the Toledo Mud Hens (disclaimer: Lucas County (Ohio) has ownership stake in both the Toledo Mud Hens and in their stadium, Fifth Third Field). Fifth Third Bank's goal is to gather enough for 53,000 meals for the area.

This is the kind of thing that we need to rely on. The Toledo Food Bank is also holding their own fund raisers to make sure their shelves are full.

We need more of this kind of community coming together.

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 7:13:33 AM   
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Here's an example of why OWS garned such popular support. Georgia's Governor in 2002 enacted the nation's toughest predatory lending law. (See below.)

“While predatory lending violates all notions of decency and ethics, it has been largely legal due to preciously loose consumer protection laws. This is not only wrong – it is tragic. And it must end.” – Roy E. Barnes, Governor of Georgia, October 25, 2002

Bankers accused him of socialism, undermining the "free market," meddling in the mortgage industry, destroying the construction industry, and erecting unfair and burdensome barriers on borrowers in the loan applications. (This all happened in Georgia.) The industry, which had spread into a huge credit default swap business that was packing together bundles of subprime loans and selling them world wide was afraid that the Georgia law might spread to other states. So, the banking industry backed an opposition candidate to Roy Barnes who was ousted from office in 2003. Three weeks later the predatory lending law was gutted.

Georgia now ranks third in the nation for mortgage loan delinquencies and 10th for foreclosures.

During the period Ameriquest lead campaign against the law and announced that it wouldn't do business in Georgia until law was changed. Standard & Poor's refused to rate Georgia mortgage securities, choking credit supply to state's home buyers; the law gutted within a year.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/urban-ecology/message/5645

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2008/08/09/the-predators-ball.html

Here is a video stating many of the reasons behind the OWS movement:

http://dandelionsalad.wordpress.com/2007/08/27/bush-is-turning-the-usa-into-a-subprime-borrower-by-heather-wokusch-video/

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Predatory lending law below:

http://www.cga.ct.gov/2002/rpt/2002-r-0855.htm

Georgia

Georgia's Fair Lending Act (GFLA), which took effect on October 1, 2002, applies to three types of loans: "home loans," "covered home loans," and "high-cost home loans. " A home loan is an open-end or closed-end consumer loan, secured by the borrower's principal dwelling, in which the principal loan amount is up to the Federal National Mortgage Association's ("Fannie Mae") conforming loan size (currently $ 300,700). A covered home loan is a home loan (1) with an interest rate exceeding certain prescribed limits, which vary depending on whether the loan is a first mortgage or a junior mortgage; (2) with total loan points or fees greater than 3% of the total loan amount; or (3) that is a high-cost home loan. A high-cost home loan is a home loan (1) whose interest rate exceeds the level set in the federal Home Ownership and Equity Protection Act of 1994 and its regulations, with the triggering rate dependent on whether the loan is a first mortgage or a junior mortgage and (2) with loan points and fees in excess of certain prescribed amounts based on the loan amount.

The following provisions apply to all home loans:

1. credit insurance may not be financed;

2. lenders may not encourage default in connection with a refinancing of an existing debt;

3. late charges are limited to 5% and require a grace period of at least 10 days;

4. lenders cannot charge a fee for providing the loan payoff balance, except a $ 10 processing fee; and

5. mandatory arbitration clauses are prohibited.

Loan flipping is prohibited in covered and high-cost home loans. The law imposes additional limitations on high-cost home loans by:

1. limiting prepayment penalties to 2% of the amount prepaid in the first year after the loan closing and 1% of the amount prepaid in the second year;

2. prohibiting balloon payments;

3. prohibiting negative amortization;

4. prohibiting increasing the interest rate after default, with one exception;

5. limiting advance payments;

6. requiring certification that the borrower received counseling on the loan's advisability;

7. requiring proof of the borrower's ability to repay the loan;

8. prohibiting charging to modify, renew, extend, or amend a high-cost home loan or to defer payment due;

9. requiring notice of intent to foreclose at least 14 days before publishing legal advertisement;

10. giving the borrower the right to cure a loan default and reinstate the loan;

11. limiting fees charged to a borrower for exercising the right to cure a default;

12. prohibiting loan provisions allowing the lender to unilaterally decide to accelerate the loan; and

13. requiring high-cost home loan documents to contain references to the GFLA.

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 7:25:54 AM   
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To be brief, what happened in Georgia was just a representative example of what happened nationwide. Consumer protection advocates and banking regulators were steam rolled by special interests who controlled legislatures, the SEC, the FDIC, and the Federal Reserve.

In the end, when Bernake, Geitner, and Paulson became aware of the Bear Stearns meltdown --- then Lehman --- then AIG --- all well after the fact.

By the time our protectors saw a problem, we were fucked. The US was faced with either a Massive mullti million dollar bailout of the banks OR an economic meltdown driven by runs on all the major banks operating world wide. (A great depressions scenario.)

Where were these men from 2002-2008? What were they doing?

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 7:27:02 AM   
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Even if there were 8000 people there,(which I highly doubt, reports say 250 to 400) NYC has a population of 8.3 MILLION... I guess that makes you guys the .0001%

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 7:33:41 AM   
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Even if there were 8000 people there,(which I highly doubt, reports say 250 to 400) NYC has a population of 8.3 MILLION... I guess that makes you guys the .0001%

Muddy the waters with false facts, a good conservative approach. No rob, it was 80,000 people that showed up, just in Zuccoti Park alone. Not bad for a tuesday

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 7:33:59 AM   
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how many rabid teabaggers in NY?  Guess we will have to go to the turqoise column on the abacus to cipher that one, eh?

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 7:41:53 AM   
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Where were these men from 2002-2008? What were they doing?


2000-2006, they were busy trying to establish a permanent Republican majority.

2006-2008, Democrats were trying to find where they had backed away their spines.

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 8:23:08 AM   
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how many rabid teabaggers in NY?  Guess we will have to go to the turqoise column on the abacus to cipher that one, eh?

3 and they are Lady Astor's friends and want biscuits wth the tea. No, tea partiers are naive NYC doesnt do naive.

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 8:52:12 AM   
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To be brief, what happened in Georgia was just a representative example of what happened nationwide. Consumer protection advocates and banking regulators were steam rolled by special interests who controlled legislatures, the SEC, the FDIC, and the Federal Reserve.

In the end, when Bernake, Geitner, and Paulson became aware of the Bear Stearns meltdown --- then Lehman --- then AIG --- all well after the fact.

By the time our protectors saw a problem, we were fucked. The US was faced with either a Massive mullti million dollar bailout of the banks OR an economic meltdown driven by runs on all the major banks operating world wide. (A great depressions scenario.)

Where were these men from 2002-2008? What were they doing?

Yes and the only issue has been republicans refusing to confirm federal appointtees to oversee the new consumer panels not because of objections to the appointments but because they dont like the panelss. Seems to me when you have a constitutional repsonsibility to dill a position and refuse based on not wanting it filled some of theoir constitution loving supporter might of been upset...unless that is just hubris to beat the other side with. Same with the judges. The courts are damn near dysfunctional because of the refusal to confirm. it's ironic they also call for reeling back the little regualtion put in place as if 2001-2009 neve took place in the financial sector. When wall st, big pharma and big insirance are giving 10-1 to one side it isnt a stretch to guess who they 1999 akll over again for the right banking deregulation is the answer will represent and of course this is the letter from a republican rep to the Mortgage fraud task force....seems hostile
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1. Please explain in detail the mission and goals of the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group.

2. Please provide a detailed accounting of the Residential Mortgage-Backed Working Group’s anticipated staffing, funding (both state and federal sources), and expenses.

3. Please distinguish in detail how the work of the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group will differ from the existing work of the Financial Fraud Enforcement Task Force.

4. Insofar as the Financial Enforcement Task Force has achieved “limited success” and “has fail[ed] to produce any major prosecutions stemming from the housing crisis,” how will the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group achieve different results?

5. The Office of SIGTARP recently announced a 72-month sentence for a defendant convicted of defrauding financial clients who sought mortgage modifications. If the Office of SIGTARP continues to pursue convictions stemming from illegal mortgage-related activities, please explain what enforcement gap the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group will fill.

6. Please explain how the work of the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group will be affected by any settlement agreement executed by state attorneys general and large financial institutions. Will such a settlement affect the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group’s ability to pursue actions against the financial institutions who are parties to the settlement? If so, how?

7. To the extent that the work of the Residential Mortgage-Backed Securities Working Group is not duplicative or redundant and actually succeeds where other efforts have failed, will the settlement agreement with state attorneys general preserve all avenues of relief and compensation for any newly identified homeowner who was not in default yet foreclosed upon anyway?

The letter closes with a rather ominous reminder:


The Committee on Oversight and Government Reform is the principal oversight committee of the House of Representatives and may at “any time” investigate “any matter” as set forth in House Rule X. We request that you provide the requested information as soon as possible
of course that is because he knows who his constituents realy are guess when u get 1.2 mil from the banking industry you are their rep
It's effective talk family values legislate against families . when it gets down to it you can tell who they fight for by who supports them. people vs oligarchs

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 8:54:35 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DesideriScuri

http://www.toledonewsnow.com/story/18050158/mud-hens

Call on the general public. Government didn't force this. This wasn't part of any Federal bail out requirements. This is done by the bank, in conjunction with the Toledo Mud Hens (disclaimer: Lucas County (Ohio) has ownership stake in both the Toledo Mud Hens and in their stadium, Fifth Third Field). Fifth Third Bank's goal is to gather enough for 53,000 meals for the area.

This is the kind of thing that we need to rely on. The Toledo Food Bank is also holding their own fund raisers to make sure their shelves are full.

We need more of this kind of community coming together.

agreed but there just has never been enough to fill the need and typically when the need rises the resources fall it's how we got public programs in the first place. I give to a local food pantry and do 10 hrs of communitty service a week if everyone did we coul cut entitlement for the poor and elderly by half at least

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 9:01:34 AM   
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I give to a local food pantry and do 10 hrs of communitty service a week if everyone did we coul cut entitlement for the poor and elderly by half at least

If everybody did that, the poor and elderly wouldn't need any "entitlement" in the first place.
Think about it. The people who are dead against paying taxes to support the underclass are the same people who see charity as a tax dodge rather than an obligation, aren't they?

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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 9:04:04 AM   
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Call on the general public. Government didn't force this. This wasn't part of any Federal bail out requirements. This is done by the bank, in conjunction with the Toledo Mud Hens (disclaimer: Lucas County (Ohio) has ownership stake in both the Toledo Mud Hens and in their stadium, Fifth Third Field). Fifth Third Bank's goal is to gather enough for 53,000 meals for the area.



"TOLEDO, OH (TOLEDO NEWS NOW) - Fifth Third Bank and the Mud Hens are joining forces to collect food this weekend in support of the National Association of Letter Carriers (NALC) Stamp Out Hunger program. "


I guess I am wondering what your point is here? That banks are helping out a day late and hundreds of billions of dollars (yours and mine) short? Or a LABOR UNION is stepping up to the plate just like they often do? Or that the Mud Hens area a terrific team with a lot of heart and a love for their community?
But if it's got ANYTHING to do with the banks... well ...

DUDE ... there are bankers that would pull your pants down and SUCK YOUR DICK IF IT WOULD ONLY MAKE THE OCCUPY MOVEMENT.

Let me put your misdirected theory to rest in simpler terms.

First, only the dumbest of the dumb don't think that serious wrong doing was perpetrated by the financial institutions of this country (whether it was through the invention of derivatives at BANKS like AIG and BEAR STERNS, or OUT AND OUT THEFT OF HUGE SUMS OF MONEY, OR THE CURRENT UNWILLINGNESS OF THESE BAILED OUT COMPANIES TO REINVEST IN AMERICA).. No matter how you want to slice it or what politicians you want to include ... THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.

Now, let's take this theft and scale it down. You're in Toledo coming out of a Mud Hens game and a pretty girl is admiring that Brazilian Waxing you had done earlier this week, and you naturally glance back and give her that smoldering look that says "yeah, baby. I'll tie you up, no problem".
But while this is happening some little fuck you've seen time and time again when doing your weekly banking, walks up behind you and you feel the tug as he snips the chain on your biker wallet with a pair of side-cutters (hint ... don't buy the replacement wallet on ebay this time). You hear his laughter as he darts across the street and into HIS BANK... as in NOT YOURS. And while you stare at him through the glass he sis down at the desk mocking you doing things like showeruing himself in the bills from your wallet and making cute little origami piggy banks out of the bills spread all over his desk, occasionally getting up making this humping motion and pointing at you.
So you run downtown (this is a part the 'do it in DC gang omits) to the police station and report this terrible theft. They go back to the bank and listen to the banker say that you were careless with your wallet and that before he could compensate for YOUR carelessness, he was forced to use your money to fix the broken ATM. The cops say "have you enough money to get home to the suburbs? Yeah? Show me." You comply... And they TAKE THAT FROM YOU TOO AND SAY "That ATM's going to need paint and because this guy lives in town, he will help you out getting it back into it's pristine condition". They turn to you and tell you the problem is solved and that you should go home.
You find out later that this has happened to so many Mud Hens fans that you could fill the park across the street.
Now you are presented with two choices. You can go tell the police who have personally ignored each and every person in the crowd, or you can all band together and get in the public eye, which brings more people of common fate to your side and starts a NATIONAL DIALOGUE. Or you can go to the Police Department and here that you shouldn't interfere with the process of the banker fixing his ATM (I think people forget that the Tea Party and all their "Fanny Mae and the democrats did it" talk show rhetoric has FAILED ABYSMALLY, EVEN WITH A GOP MAJORITY IN THE HOUSE... I believe the handjob you were offered was DEREGULATION ... AGAIN ... And last report they took that line hook, line, and sinker... Exactly how many times does a Tea partier have to get their ass poked before they react to the fucking they're getting?).

Basically Scuri, we've just taken the other path. And even you can't disregard that this has gotten the topic much further into the public dialogue.
You can basically theorize what you want, but if you listen to the news every night. I'd say you here the phrase "Occupy Movement" a good bit more than the phrase "Tea Party" these days.
Go figure, it's a complex world.



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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 9:07:32 AM   
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Even if there were 8000 people there,(which I highly doubt, reports say 250 to 400) NYC has a population of 8.3 MILLION... I guess that makes you guys the .0001%


OOoooooooo we're breaking out the Cherios calculator.

You're way the fuck off and YSG just tossed your paddle in the Hudson. Better concentrate on policing that assisted living community and leave the politics to people who understand grass roots movements.


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RE: Not one thread about Occupy's big day? - 5/3/2012 9:08:42 AM   
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If everybody did that, the poor and elderly wouldn't need any "entitlement" in the first place.


When JEEE-SUS comes back....

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