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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 1:18:13 PM   
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You must be reading a different thread than me. What the hell was he criticizing him for?

He wasn't criticising him at all... he was blaming Theism for the fact that the guy is a mean, nasty, hateful little fuck.

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That is how I read it also.

i agree with Kirata, but his first reply was cryptic, and I didn't understand him either. He didn't make himself clear until just this post.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 1:21:53 PM   
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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 1:58:30 PM   
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Well I don't know what your different "interpretation" could be, but obviously it is one which fails to see that using something like this to further one's personal anti-Theist agenda slanders millions of people, and does so at the expense of diverting attention away from the real problem here, which is precisely this kind of sick homophobic hatred, not belief in God.



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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 2:54:02 PM   
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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 7:19:08 PM   
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The Bible part speaks about loving people every now and then - some people even say that love is the Bible's central message. So I guess one has to conclude this pastor's understanding of the Bible is pretty perverse.


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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 9:06:50 PM   
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I always assumed it was because they seem to think that their actions and thoughts of some idiots reflect that of all christians.


No we've just gotten tired of being oppressed while the rest of the Christians fail to stand up to those idiots.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/2/2012 9:10:49 PM   
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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 3:31:31 AM   
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I always assumed it was because they seem to think that their actions and thoughts of some idiots reflect that of all christians.


No we've just gotten tired of being oppressed while the rest of the Christians fail to stand up to those idiots.

It's particularly intriguing that the bulk of sane Christians refuse to condemn these people. I remember the mooslim failure to do that being part of the proof that every living koran reader is part of the jihad against the west, after all...

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 6:02:14 AM   
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I always assumed it was because they seem to think that their actions and thoughts of some idiots reflect that of all christians.

No we've just gotten tired of being oppressed while the rest of the Christians fail to stand up to those idiots.

It's particularly intriguing that the bulk of sane Christians refuse to condemn these people. I remember the mooslim failure to do that being part of the proof that every living koran reader is part of the jihad against the west, after all...

Actually all or most speaking up for Christians on here labelled him a fool or a bigot but even if they didn't, the words "false" and "equivalence" spring to mind. If you need me to explain that I will but here is an example as a taster: Prolific Islamist violence is an issue in almost every serious religious conflict in the world, and it is done ostensibly in the name of Islam. It has the explicit support of very many Islamic leaders. Take the violent purge of Christians - last month the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, an individual who holds a position that is a close equivalent to the Pope due to the immense import of the location of his office to the faith, stated there should be no more Churches in the Arabian Peninsula.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 6:06:50 AM   
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No we've just gotten tired of being oppressed while the rest of the Christians fail to stand up to those idiots.

Who is this "we" you're speaking for? Fundamentalists are just as condemnatory of mainline Christians as they are of anybody else, more so in some respects because they view the latter as having no excuse. In my experience, limited though that may be, most mainline Christians don't even consider these flakes to be truly Christian, and to criticise them as fellow Christians would be to accept them as such.

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More generally, your use of homophobia as a cudgel in your anti-Theism agenda is similarly misinformed.

Differences of opinion on the issue of gay marriage in the U.S. are often explained away along religious lines: nonreligious folk support its legalization while the pious are against it. But that explanation glosses over some real differences in the way religious groups perceive the issue. As it turns out, certain religious groups show starkly contrasting levels of support for same-sex marriage, according to a report released today.

According to the Public Religion Research Institute, America is evenly divided on the issue of gay marriage: 47 percent favor its legalization while another 47 percent oppose it, as can be seen in the institute's chart above. But strong preferences manifest themselves among religious groups. Unsurprisingly, about seven in 10 of those who aren't affiliated with any religion or who are affiliated with one other than Christianity support same-sex marriage. What is surprising is that a slim majority of Catholics and a similar-size majority of white mainline Protestants support gay marriage too. In contrast, 60 percent of black Protestants and 76 percent of white evangelicals are against its legalization.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 6:25:40 AM   
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The fucking narrative crafting that atheists get subjected to

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 6:55:17 AM   
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What's really funny is how many people here "explained" my position for me.

The fucking narrative crafting that atheists get subjected to

Explaining it for you? Why would anybody care about you? And who is talking about Atheists as a class?

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 8:48:37 AM   
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I certainly have nothing against Christians who worship quietly and without pushing their views off on others. There is far too little of that these days, however. From what I can tell, the "godly" want to remake this country and it's laws to conform to their world views. They, like the crazy fuck in the OP, drink from the same poisonous well, as far as I am concerned.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 9:58:31 AM   
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Excuse me, but I don't hear atheists advocating child abuse. I think it is a stretch to say they are as crazy as this dumb fuck preacher

Excuse me, but the atheist I replied to wasn't criticising him for advocating child abuse.

Odd, that, eh?

K.

there is a difference betwween disbelief and actively attacking believers. The thing is that article reflects on a segment of selof described christians just as a dsome of the OWS stuff reflects part of mthat group. the problem isnt talking about ti the problem is when I say all christians and someone else or you says all OWS. I know christians who believe in God not the book as a irrfutable truth http://home.nctv.com/jackjan/item65.htm It's the same when someone points to the idiot OWS who are actually communists or freeloaders and try to paint me with that brush when I pay more in taxes than sot and have never been w/o a job since I was 13. black and white all or nothing descriptions are mostly the result of prejudice not fact or ... someone poking the dog to get a reaction.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 10:01:16 AM   
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Nice editing, kirata.

I certainly have nothing against Christians who worship quietly and without pushing their views off on others. There is far too little of that these days, however. From what I can tell, the "godly" want to remake this country and it's laws to conform to their world views. They, like the crazy fuck in the OP, drink from the same poisonous well, as far as I am concerned.

spot on faith used to be a private matter the last 309 yrs that changed and christianity or rather some chritian groups become politcal as much as religous and have pushed a religous test on candidates. look at Romeny's gay advisor...religous lithmus test nothing to do wuith actual competence

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 11:28:17 AM   
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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 11:52:36 AM   
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When has faith ever been a private matter?

Till about 40 yrs ago actually. hell, 3 of the first 4 predidents would be elected dog catcher today based on relious standards. Can you imagine a president winning who didnt belief in the ressurection, one who didnt believe in any bible miracle or one who didnt believe in Jesus divinity? They just werent asked

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 1:17:59 PM   
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Fundamentalists are just as condemnatory of mainline Christians as they are of anybody else, more so in some respects because they view the latter as having no excuse. In my experience, limited though that may be, most mainline Christians don't even consider these flakes to be truly Christian, and to criticise them as fellow Christians would be to accept them as such.


While you may very well be correct in your assessment of how the flakes are regarded by mainline Christians, the case you advance to rationalise 'mainline Christians' reluctance to publicly criticise the 'flakes' fails to hold water.

If I were a Christian I would have strong and public objections to a group of 'flakes' appropriating my belief system and using it to promote an agenda that clashed with my Christian beliefs. I would be making it very clear very publicly that the 'flakes' were not Christians (IMHO), were not entitled to use the term or to describe themselves as such. I would be pointing out how their dogmatism, intolerance and bigotry were not Christian values, how the political agenda of the Religious Right was incompatible with Christian beliefs. Any failure by me to clarify this position would devalue my beliefs by surrendering the name to a group of 'flakes'.

Silence is complicity.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 1:38:01 PM   
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When has faith ever been a private matter?

Till about 40 yrs ago actually. hell, 3 of the first 4 predidents would be elected dog catcher today based on relious standards. Can you imagine a president winning who didnt belief in the ressurection, one who didnt believe in any bible miracle or one who didnt believe in Jesus divinity? They just werent asked


That doesn't seem like an accurate depiction of history to me.

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During the 1800 presidential campaign, the New England Palladium wrote, "Should the infidel Jefferson be elected to the Presidency, the seal of death is that moment set on our holy religion, our churches will be prostrated, and some infamous 'prostitute', under the title of goddess of reason, will preside in the sanctuaries now devoted to the worship of the most High."[24] Federalists attacked Jefferson as a "howling atheist" and infidel, claiming that his attraction to the religious and political extremism of the French Revolution disqualified him from public office.[25][26] At that time, calling a person an infidel could mean a number of things, including that they did not believe in God.

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RE: Bigoted Preacher "Authorizes" Parents to ... - 5/3/2012 2:09:00 PM   
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When has faith ever been a private matter?

Till about 40 yrs ago actually. hell, 3 of the first 4 predidents would be elected dog catcher today based on relious standards. Can you imagine a president winning who didnt belief in the ressurection, one who didnt believe in any bible miracle or one who didnt believe in Jesus divinity? They just werent asked


That doesn't seem like an accurate depiction of history to me.

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During the 1800 presidential campaign, the New England Palladium wrote, "Should the infidel Jefferson be elected to the Presidency, the seal of death is that moment set on our holy religion, our churches will be prostrated, and some infamous 'prostitute', under the title of goddess of reason, will preside in the sanctuaries now devoted to the worship of the most High."[24] Federalists attacked Jefferson as a "howling atheist" and infidel, claiming that his attraction to the religious and political extremism of the French Revolution disqualified him from public office.[25][26] At that time, calling a person an infidel could mean a number of things, including that they did not believe in God.


and he was elected wasnt he? Today it would of disqualified him. Today those beliefs would doom them. think mabiut it Washiungton could even get the nomination today..... Wont go for mcimmunion and put in writing he doesnt believe in ressurection..... yea he's carry NY and ct and Ca and MA cuz we are godless secularists

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