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OrionTheWolf -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 12:07:04 PM)
I agree with this so very much. Find a kink/alt lifestyle friendly therapist and work with them on things. If you involve any kind of ritual or role play that has certain manifestations, this can assist the therapist in managing it. MPD and DID are now lumped together, but the actual cases of full blown MPD is extremely rare still. The dissasociative behavior is their defense mechanism, and there will be triggers until all the personalities are fully integrated. Most DID are fractured and unspecified personalities, that to an outside observer may seem like just odd behavior. There is just so many different things that can be involved, I strongly suggest again to see professional advice on how to move forward. quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl MPD (which is actually DID now) has been estimated to be somewhere between 6-10% of the mentally ill population. It's usually caused by sexual or physical abuse. BDSM would most likely trigger recurrences and even a kink friendly therapist would be against this type of relationship for someone with that diagnosis. Far more people fake this illness than actually have it. quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ What does her therapist suggest? Honestly, that is the best thing you can do with her: support her in therapy, and ask her therapist for advice if she is willing to discuss it with both of you (in other words, if your fiancee is in agreement). OP have you met and talked to her therapist?

kalikshama -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 1:02:07 PM)
quote: MPD (which is actually DID now) has been estimated to be somewhere between 6-10% of the mentally ill population. I want to make sure people noted the bolded - the MPD/DID prevalence is not 6-10% of the public at large. [image]http://www.nimh.nih.gov/statistics/images/NSDUH-SMI-Adults-FINAL-490.jpg[/image] Also note that DID is thought to be over represented in North America. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissociative_identity_disorder#Over-representation_in_North_America Over-representation in North America DID is a controversial diagnosis and condition, with much of the literature on DID still being generated and published in North America, to the extent that it was once regarded as a phenomenon confined to that continent[7][10] though research has appeared discussing the appearance of DID in other countries and cultures.[73] In a 1996 review,[6] Joel Paris offered three possible causes for the sudden increase in people diagnosed with DID: 1. The result of therapist suggestions to suggestible people, much as Charcot's hysterics acted in accordance with his expectations. 2. Psychiatrists' past failure to recognize dissociation being redressed by new training and knowledge. 3. Dissociative phenomena are actually increasing, but this increase only represents a new form of an old and protean entity: "hysteria". Paris believes that the first possible cause is the most likely. In a 2011 publication, Vedat Sar postulated other possible causes for the apparent differences in the prevalence of DID and other dissociative disorders, including different preferences in diagnostic instruments, cultural differences in the interpretation of presenting symptoms, differences in mental health care systems and differences in the frequency of overall mental health treatment seeking behavior around the world.

fucktoyprincess -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 1:11:41 PM)
It is my understanding that MPD is a serious disorder. To be honest, I would be extremely wary of engaging in BDSM without understanding a lot about MPD, a lot about MPD in your partner and the implications of your partner's disorder on your BDSM practices. My imagination is making it very easy to spin a lot of potentially bad outcomes. And I will be honest, I'm not sure asking this question on a forum like this will get you anywhere close to the amount of information that you are going to need, because much of it, I suspect, is going to be very specific to your partner. Proceed with caution for both of your sakes, and for the sake of your relationship. [sm=2cents.gif]

littlewonder -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 1:41:40 PM)
how about going to her therapist with her sometime and seeing what the doc has to say? If she doesn't have a therapist then I'd say she doesn't have MPD.

OsideGirl -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 4:36:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlewonder If she doesn't have a therapist then I'd say she doesn't have MPD. That's exactly what I'm thinking.

Masticator -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 4:57:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl MPD (which is actually DID now) Interesting that people are still saying MPD in the following posts.

OsideGirl -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/4/2012 5:22:07 PM)
It's habit for me to say MPD. The DID designation came out after I was out of school.

littlewonder -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/5/2012 12:53:10 AM)
I said mpd because it's what the op stated. I don't always read all the other posts after the original one. Plus mpd was just easier to type since it's the first initials that come to my mind since it's what I grew up with. Plus I don't think it really matters what mental disturbance the op says her sub has. If she doesn't have a therapist I doubt she has any mental disturbance she claims. Sorry but unless someone can show a diagnosis by a certified therapist I have doubt. My daughter is a hypochondriac...yup, certified, or as I like to say, she has cyberchondria....the syndrome of reading too many internet medical pages and thinking you're dying of bubonic plague and smallpox.

HoneySucklez -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/5/2012 1:25:46 AM)
Thanks for the responses! No she is not pregnant, it's one of her personalities that ALWAYS comes unexpectedly. Her therapist knows nothing about this, I'd guess they wouldn't find this appropriate for her mental health at all, which might be true I've known her for years, and she always seems different but now she is consistant with her and that child. I will take into consideration all of this, I might just need to keep passion between us and get someone else for the freaky stuff...

OsideGirl -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/5/2012 8:27:24 AM)
You STILL haven't answered the question. Have you met and talked to her therapist?

LafayetteLady -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/5/2012 12:56:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: OsideGirl You STILL haven't answered the question. Have you met and talked to her therapist? Logically, anyone who claims to have such serious psychological issues, their therapist would want to meet that person's partner (especially a fiance planning a lifetime with that person). After all, something like DID (Heaven forbid we not be politically correct here and call it MPD) is very serious and that person's significant other should be aware of problems to look for, what to do and most simply be aware of when that therapist would need to be called for the patient. My point being, that regardless of the reality that BDSM is not a good thing for someone suffering from DID, the significant other in a "vanilla" relationship should have had at least one conversation with the therapist/doctor, if for nothing more than safety reasons. So, to me, anyone claiming to have this mental health issue, if their long term partner has not spoken with the therapist/doctor, I'm willing to bet the diagnosis doesn't truly exist.

amaidiamond -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/6/2012 4:21:23 PM)
I have an alternative personality in many ways, a little girl that I consider emotionally real, the emotional level/likes/dislikes etc all in line but it is not DID as far as i know... Kitty is just another part of me and one i embrace. Kitty likes different colours, music, movies, food etc - she comes out sometimes without warning but i am always there "watching" .... there are ways to switch me back that my Owner knows and if it is not an appropriate time for kitty to be out then he triggers me back. It used to be a lot less under control, I'd loose an hour in the morning for example and find myself at work wearing Kittys clothes (caused some weird looks in the office) but now I can feel a switch coming, mostly i can stop it. Times i have less control, are if i am exhausted, or if the fibro is making me really hurt then kitty copes with the "owwies" better, if i am tired a lot she will come out and whilst i can see it I can't prevent it which is the only time it can be a little disturbing. my Owner handles it by accepting kitty, he loves her as he loves me and between us we worked on ways to trigger me back without trauma :)

littlecherie -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/7/2012 12:54:07 PM)
raises hand I have mental issues that Master and I are working together on getting under control. I may 'disobey', as other people see, but it's really more of a habit than disobeying. I am fighting the negative things, and starting to put more 'positive' ways of dealing with it into my life. So I may serve Master better.

LafayetteLady -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/7/2012 1:41:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: littlecherie raises hand I have mental issues that Master and I are working together on getting under control. I may 'disobey', as other people see, but it's really more of a habit than disobeying. I am fighting the negative things, and starting to put more 'positive' ways of dealing with it into my life. So I may serve Master better. No disrespect to your relationship, but unless your master is also a licensed therapist, he really should be sending to someone who IS licensed to work on your mental issues and his "help" should be that he is supportive of your therapy. Sorry, but I always find it really horrible that so many "masters" think they are qualified to "help" their partner with mental issues and that s-types think a master is a suitable substitute for a real therapist.

amaidiamond -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/7/2012 3:13:29 PM)
It is quite possible that their "working together" includes visiting a professional...

LafayetteLady -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/7/2012 4:32:44 PM)
You are right, it could include that. However, if you look at some previous posts (not by that young woman, but in general), Dominants tend to take the position they have the necessary skills to "fix" mental health issues in their s-types, and many s-types are looking for dominants to fix them. So while my reply was to her, it was more a general comment than anything else.

amaidiamond -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/8/2012 6:15:06 AM)
That makes sense :) I am all for Dominants working with their submissives alongsides professional help if needed, but I'd agree that if professional help is needed using a Dominant as a substitute therapist is not a smart idea

thishereboi -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/8/2012 6:53:49 AM)
quote: Her therapist knows nothing about this, I'd guess they wouldn't find this appropriate for her mental health at all, which might be true If you think it might be true, then don't you think it is in her best interest to find out? And by find out I mean talk to a professional about it, not ask a bunch of strangers on the internet.

DarkDreems -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/13/2012 10:15:07 AM)
quote: Her therapist knows nothing about this, I'd guess they wouldn't find this appropriate for her mental health at all, which might be true I'd say there is a big difference between somebody that has mental health issues that they can mostly manage, versus somebody who it sounds like doesn't yet have sufficient capacity to manage them at all. Somebody in the former is in a position to make choices about their life, and their sexual lifestyle, and generally deal with any consequences. The latter, almost anything they do that is emotionally charged is likely to interfere with achieving enough personal healing to allow them to move forward, and they've got very little bandwidth to deal with consequences. D/s relationships should expand us, not kick the crap out of us. Somebody that needs healing could be in something to just further kick the crap out of themselves. I don't mean that to sound judgmental, I'm just speaking for Myself. My choice is to not be the instrument by which somebody else validates their currently broken view of themself. Made that mistake once, and once was quite enough.

angelikaJ -> RE: Mentally Ill (5/13/2012 10:23:40 AM)
Have you discussed the other personalities with her? Is she aware of them? Could you suggest going with her to her therapist to give her support when she discusses it with her? And if she seems to be unaware then I would talk with the therapist: understand that the therapist is unable to discuss anything pertaining to her client with you but she might be willing to listen.

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