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Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:32:14 PM

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Need 'contract' of sorts drawn up. Legal eagle expertise needed.

Assistance appreciated.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:34:16 PM

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Oh please don't tell me you're looking for a slave contract.

Let me just stab myself in the gut right now. It's preferable to hashing out this topic yet again.

Ditto for having to look at that profile picture.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:38:27 PM

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I believe the OP is being vague so as not to violate TOS/Guidelines. Maybe someone knows of a kink friendly website or place to find legal assistance and they can share.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:52:16 PM

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There's various advocacy groups that could help. If she really needs a contract, best to go to lawyer or legal assistance firms that charge much less.

But before she would do that, it would be a good idea to work up a draft, as I think she wants to do. If I knew what it was, maybe could at least point OP in the right direction, or offer some tips. Who are the parties, and what types of things will be agreed to (consideration), and what remedies (penalties) will there be for someone breaching the contract. And will there be a duration? What laws and jurisdiction will govern? There's about 10 other boilerplate things or elements that could also be included.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:53:29 PM

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it has absolutely nothing to do with slave contracts, rest assured and you can keep your gut intact.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:55:22 PM

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Any information needs to be relayed through other venues than the CM forums......initiate dialog through a message to CM profile, then we can go from there. Thanks.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 5:56:54 PM

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It also has nothing to do with BDSM.
Perhaps you'll find what you need here.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 6:06:37 PM

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Ok, so it isn't slave contracts, but still you are quite ambiguous about what you are looking for. As a general rule, if you are looking for a contract to engage in an activity that would be considered illegal where you live, the contract will have no legal weight. If you are looking for a contract for a legal activity, i.e. business venture, then spend the money and speak to a lawyer licensed in your state. It will be worth the expense if you ever expect the contract to hold up in a court of law, so I'm sure you would much rather have advice from a licensed attorney in your state as opposed to strangers on the internet whose background wouldn't cover your state's contract laws, or worse yet, have an actual real life understanding of the law. Keep in mind that strangers on the internet can be anything they want, so claiming they know something doesn't mean they do.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 6:07:39 PM

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Yeah, and no offense to CM, but it's really not where I would go to shop for legal services.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 6:26:56 PM

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i think a person can learn a lot, as a starting point, by reaching out and asking questions on forums like this. this can save a lot of time for when they do the right thing, and get expert legal advice from a lawyer or legal service.

I offered to do it (help her start her research) in the board setting because i'm not a lawyer and don't feel comfortable with emailing a new stranger and giving them legal tips. i.e., i would only do that in the context of a board discussion.

sorry i couldn't help.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 6:59:37 PM

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What type of contract are you looking for?

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 7:53:09 PM

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Actually, unless the contract is extremely complex, it is likely going to be a flat fee type of deal, much like real estate closing and simple wills.

The reality is that using a forum as a "starting point" is going to garner her a great deal of "advice" from people who are not legal authorities and will give her misinformation, thereby causing her to spend a great deal more time with an attorney as he/she has to explain to the OP why all the free "legal" advice she got off the internet is wrong.

While most legitimate attorneys like their clients to be well informed, they don't like to spend a whole lot of time telling them why "joeweb" on the internet was wrong in what they told them.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 9:27:59 PM

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I'm going to take a stab in the dark and say if she's not looking for a slave contract then she's probably wanting to start a femdomme biz or she's looking to post pics of her activities or others she's with. Either way....talk to an attorney. I could tell you I'm an attorney and give you all sorts of advice but that would be lying. Good thing I don't try to pretend to be something I'm not huh?

Then again....I might be.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/5/2012 9:55:57 PM

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My thing is that with her intentional ambiguity about the subject, it would seem illegal and therefore an attorney wouldn't advise.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/6/2012 3:35:39 PM

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Actually, unless the contract is extremely complex, it is likely going to be a flat fee type of deal, much like real estate closing and simple wills.

The reality is that using a forum as a "starting point" is going to garner her a great deal of "advice" from people who are not legal authorities and will give her misinformation, thereby causing her to spend a great deal more time with an attorney as he/she has to explain to the OP why all the free "legal" advice she got off the internet is wrong.

While most legitimate attorneys like their clients to be well informed, they don't like to spend a whole lot of time telling them why "joeweb" on the internet was wrong in what they told them.

lol! good points. i saw a lot of misinformation on other threads, tried to correct some of it. i guess we'll have to disagree that any particular OP can't garner some useful information, at least from some of us, and be able to sort it out some. much better than approaching totally ignorant and without doing some research beforehand.

i didn't understand what you we're saying about the various fees attorneys charge for various contracts, at least as it related to what i said.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/6/2012 5:01:48 PM

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Perhaps that is because you lack experience in the legal field.

And no, attorneys do not particularly like clients who are getting information from friends or aquaintances who took a business law class, attended a seminar or even had a similar experience to be giving the client information that the friend/aquaintence believes is "legitimate" because of something they read or experienced themselves. It makes for a great deal more work for the attorney having to explain why it doesn't apply in that case, how it was a different state, etc. An attorney doesn't take on a client to give them a legal education. A well informed client is a far cry from someone doing their "research" on an internet forum. A great deal more work goes into a legal document than a "training manual" or "technical document."

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/6/2012 5:14:13 PM

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Perhaps that is because you lack experience in the legal field.

And no, attorneys do not particularly like clients who are getting information from friends or aquaintances who took a business law class, attended a seminar or even had a similar experience to be giving the client information that the friend/aquaintence believes is "legitimate" because of something they read or experienced themselves. It makes for a great deal more work for the attorney having to explain why it doesn't apply in that case, how it was a different state, etc. An attorney doesn't take on a client to give them a legal education. A well informed client is a far cry from someone doing their "research" on an internet forum. A great deal more work goes into a legal document than a "training manual" or "technical document."

hmm, so you've dropped your point about legal fees - just an irrelevant rant in relation to anything i said. cool.

you lost me on me not having legal experience, or having only taking a business law course - neither are accurate nor relevant. not sure where you're going with that anyway, or how that's relevant to what i said. can you please explain that?

Re bolded portion above - this is getting repetitious - we already disagree on the benefit (or lack thereof) of a client starting their research by asking for help on a board, to become as you yourself call it, "a well informed client". and you disagree with me, and don't believe that they can go on to get correct information to further self-educate themselves. you feel they should go to the lawyer dumb, ignorant, and blind. and you say lawyers like this. can we agree to disagree on this?

re the colored portion - since this is absolutely irrelevant to this thread or anything i've said, i can only speculate that you're making a reference to some other thread where i said part of my work is drafting technical documents. i ask you directly what relevance this has to anything i said?

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/7/2012 7:52:33 AM

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My thing is that with her intentional ambiguity about the subject, it would seem illegal and therefore an attorney wouldn't advise.

If the actions covered by the contract aren't legal, the contract isn't valid anyway.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/7/2012 10:28:37 AM

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My thing is that with her intentional ambiguity about the subject, it would seem illegal and therefore an attorney wouldn't advise.

If the actions covered by the contract aren't legal, the contract isn't valid anyway.

That was pretty much the point.

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RE: Any Legal Eagles out there? - 5/7/2012 11:55:51 AM

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My thing is that with her intentional ambiguity about the subject, it would seem illegal and therefore an attorney wouldn't advise.

If the actions covered by the contract aren't legal, the contract isn't valid anyway.

That was pretty much the point.

You were a bit too subtle for this crowd.

I was just putting it in blatant black and white so EVERYONE, even the so called experts in everything

would understand.

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