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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:16:07 PM   
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But I am perfectly content with such a state of affairs, truthfully.


It certainly has a polarising effect on the spectrum of female minds. The submissively inclined put up with it. The Dominantly inclined see it as a sign of weakness. I personally see it as an issue where it poisons both ends of the spectrum against respecting the male psyche.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:17:41 PM   
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I have to say though, after seeing Cirque a few times, I really understood why so many dudes prefer petite Asian chickies.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:20:15 PM   
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p.s. I also think we need to distinguish between being "submissive" in the bedroom and being "passive" in the bedroom. To me, these seem like two different constructs. Very few of the Dominants who I've been with (whether male or female, of whatever background) wanted passive. So it seems to be that when people are saying "Asian women are submissive" - this is code speak for something else that I'm not even sure is BDSM power-exchange related.


After being married for 20 years to a Korean and being in close contact with many many Korean women I would never use the word 'submissive' to describe them as a group. Those are some tough women. I'd say intelligent, cautious, and shrewd more than I'd say submissive, and the submissive qualities are more behavior expectations from culture and family than things that are truly held close to their hearts. They put on an external show according to cultural mores and family expectations, but it doesn't mean it's how they truly feel.

Men are often taken in by the spectacle and don't see the disdain and rolling of the eyes when these women are together behind closed doors. Which happens often since the sexes tend to separate at some point during any type of get together- every time I was with his side of the family I got an earful when I retreated with the women to clean up. My own father on his first visit to the inlaws was overheard by me to be telling a friend during a phone call that he was quite taken by the constant stream of respectful gestures coming his way from the women in the household. He never heard back in the kitchen, as I did, how peculiar they found him and that they'd laugh here and there. It's not always a pointed mean type thing, Asian women view men as being very childlike. On the outside though, my Dad was treated like a king. In fact, that Pyramus has heard from a few of the Asian women he's known about the failings of their husbands is a key piece. If these women truly admired the men and were submissive to them out of respect why would they tell their lover about how childish the men were?

I laugh when guys naively think that the care taking and external gestures of respect from Asian women must mean that these women truly look up to them...not really. They're following through on expected behavior, it doesn't really come from their hearts. That is my experience. YMMV.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:20:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		i have dated six or seven men who told me they normally only dated asian women.

their reasons: asian women are petite, quiet, submissive, and know how to cook and clean.

almost all of the men complained of the lousy passive sex that others have posted about.
they also complained that asian women are more materialistic than other women.


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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:29:40 PM   
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It certainly has a polarising effect on the spectrum of female minds. The submissively inclined put up with it. The Dominantly inclined see it as a sign of weakness. I personally see it as an issue where it poisons both ends of the spectrum against respecting the male psyche.


Holy crap yes. I love how you put this because it's so true. I was a quiet observer much of the endless hours that I spent in the kitchen with my Asian inlaws and the tons of relatives and friends that passed through as well, and the poison underneath the veneer of respect is accurate. Which is partly why Asian women have such disdain I think for their men, because they can't even see what's going on. They are taken in by the show and don't seem to understand that things are really run from the kitchen no matter how they think otherwise, and the men have no idea how foolish they look but if they paid attention it's right there.


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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:33:46 PM   
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But I am perfectly content with such a state of affairs, truthfully.


It certainly has a polarising effect on the spectrum of female minds. The submissively inclined put up with it. The Dominantly inclined see it as a sign of weakness. I personally see it as an issue where it poisons both ends of the spectrum against respecting the male psyche.


It is sort of a joke, really.  I would not call the wife that killed atilla a submissive, nor some of the great emperesses, nor a whole lot of near and far asian women.

I would assume they are in the population as submissive or dominating as would fit on some normal bell curve.

(And still, it is an ok thing with me to grab hold of an Asian woman that would fit my stereotype and hang in there with it all the way).

But, its all good.


 

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:34:21 PM   
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i have dated six or seven men who told me they normally only dated asian women.

their reasons: asian women are petite, quiet, submissive, and know how to cook and clean.

almost all of the men complained of the lousy passive sex that others have posted about.
they also complained that asian women are more materialistic than other women.




This is another side of it, good observations. Asian women usually are appealing to look at. Men are visual. The smaller body size is attractive to men and their general go with the flow attitude. The materialistic thing is epidemic amongst the Korean women I know. It's not even funny. Money is the ultimate ruler of their world, make no mistake about it. Respect for others is largely based on how much money they have and what brand names they wear and drive.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:34:27 PM   
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But I am perfectly content with such a state of affairs, truthfully.


It certainly has a polarising effect on the spectrum of female minds. The submissively inclined put up with it. The Dominantly inclined see it as a sign of weakness. I personally see it as an issue where it poisons both ends of the spectrum against respecting the male psyche.


Alecta, this is very perceptive.


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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:38:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		It's very interesting to me that your specific interaction is Korean, because the Korean kingdom was the largest, longest running Matriarchy in the Orients and was the centre of knowledge, tech, culture, and therefore power, of the surrounding countries during those periods. Ancient Korean history is a fascinating illustration of the classical rise-and-fall cycles of Male-vs-Female-Dominance.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:38:41 PM   
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many of you western men like asian girls,I want to know why


Slinky. Often very good figures. The almond shaped eyes. (Re Japanese, Chinese, Koreans.)



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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:40:14 PM   
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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:43:28 PM   
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i have dated six or seven men who told me they normally only dated asian women.

their reasons: asian women are petite, quiet, submissive, and know how to cook and clean.

almost all of the men complained of the lousy passive sex that others have posted about.
they also complained that asian women are more materialistic than other women.




This is another side of it, good observations. Asian women usually are appealing to look at. Men are visual. The smaller body size is attractive to men and their general go with the flow attitude. The materialistic thing is epidemic amongst the Korean women I know. It's not even funny. Money is the ultimate ruler of their world, make no mistake about it. Respect for others is largely based on how much money they have and what brand names they wear and drive.



Now, everyone, please remember, that we've had comparatively less time to get used to not being consistently under threat of poverty, and actually being allowed to have nice things to ourselves than the average North American woman :p

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:48:25 PM   
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It's very interesting to me that your specific interaction is Korean, because the Korean kingdom was the largest, longest running Matriarchy in the Orients and was the centre of knowledge, tech, culture, and therefore power, of the surrounding countries during those periods. Ancient Korean history is a fascinating illustration of the classical rise-and-fall cycles of Male-vs-Female-Dominance.


You'd be surprised at how many numbers of Korean women I have met. Asians tend to stick with others in their cultural group and the groups are very large. It's not uncommon to open your home to distant relatives or friends or have social gatherings constantly. My sampling of Korean women is much larger than you'd think

Korean women are a force to be reckoned with. I was the wimpy one, I mostly hung back and listened. The women run their society and their homes - they scare me. However from the outside appearance they can seem very meek. Korean society has an incredibly stiff structure and rules governing it. It's a facade though in many ways and it's interesting that so many don't see that.

Sunny is in Korea now, maybe she'll come along and add in her perception From my interactions I just can't see Asian women in general, and Korean women specifically, as being submissive.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:51:05 PM   
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Now, everyone, please remember, that we've had comparatively less time to get used to not being consistently under threat of poverty, and actually being allowed to have nice things to ourselves than the average North American woman :p



Lol, actually I wasn't knocking the emphasis on money. Just relating personally to how very important it is. Much more important than I could ever understand, but it's a key concept to anyone trying to get a handle on things here- its definitely part of the scenery. That's where i was going with it

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:55:15 PM   
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i have dated six or seven men who told me they normally only dated asian women.

their reasons: asian women are petite, quiet, submissive, and know how to cook and clean.

almost all of the men complained of the lousy passive sex that others have posted about.
they also complained that asian women are more materialistic than other women.




This is another side of it, good observations. Asian women usually are appealing to look at. Men are visual. The smaller body size is attractive to men and their general go with the flow attitude. The materialistic thing is epidemic amongst the Korean women I know. It's not even funny. Money is the ultimate ruler of their world, make no mistake about it. Respect for others is largely based on how much money they have and what brand names they wear and drive.



Now, everyone, please remember, that we've had comparatively less time to get used to not being consistently under threat of poverty, and actually being allowed to have nice things to ourselves than the average North American woman :p


Those who feel all Asian women are small should read up on Margaret Cho, who when she starred on television, as herself, was constantly told by producers that she was too fat to be be Asian (or as Margaret Cho puts it, "too fat to play myself" on the show). I think there is an insidious side to Asian-American culture where all Asians are expected to be petite and thin, and those who don't fit that stereotype are marginalized.

There are absolutely heavier Asian women. I just they are to a large extent "invisible" in the West.


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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 3:55:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Attraction is both psychological, and of course, chemical, and since psychology greatly affects our chemistry, you can see from a few of the things listed above as to how even false stereotypes might also have a pretty significant impact.

This also ties back into the question of "why are men so attracted to young girls?" As a culture, genetically, asians tend to be more petite in size, and like pyramus said, look quite a bit younger age for age when compared with other ethnicities. When a man looks at a young girl, a large part of the attraction felt is to that innocence, the vibrance, that youthfullness that she represents, the carefree, easygoing, flexible, adventurous and open attitude towards life. Of course were not completely conscious of this, so we often confuse youthfullness and youth, and don't realize most of the time what we're really looking for is that Youthfullness, which can be found in any person, regardless of age. It wouldn't be hard to see then how men might have more of an attraction to asians... oh and i guess the stereotype of having a tighter everything might also play in there :)

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 4:02:14 PM   
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You'd be surprised at how many numbers of Korean women I have met. Asians tend to stick with others in their cultural group and the groups are very large. It's not uncommon to open your home to distant relatives or friends or have social gatherings constantly. My sampling of Korean women is much larger than you'd think

Korean women are a force to be reckoned with. I was the wimpy one, I mostly hung back and listened. The women run their society and their homes - they scare me. However from the outside appearance they can seem very meek. Korean society has an incredibly stiff structure and rules governing it. It's a facade though in many ways and it's interesting that so many don't see that.

Sunny is in Korea now, maybe she'll come along and add in her perception From my interactions I just can't see Asian women in general, and Korean women specifically, as being submissive.



Oh I have a fairly good idea lol

It's not just the Koreans, though, it's the Japanese and Chinese (from all sub-denominations) as well, although expressed in varying degrees cross-culturally and depending on the degree of Westernisation absorbed into the sub-cultures. I thin of these major denominations, the Koreans definitely retain more of the "large family" mentality whereas the Japanese and Chinese have gotten more and more used to satellite family units.

I wouldn't call Asian women "submissive". I think we are generally pre-disposed to being sexual bottoms, and I think that it possibly has to do with the way our societies have expected us to coddle and tolerate our men as "children", that we want guys who could "man up". We expect our women to fit a certain mould of pleasantness and respectfulness, but it is less because the men like it than it is because the women who raised us wanted it that way. They bear a certain disdain for women who do men's work in a "you should leave it to the men or they forget their place" kind of way. Besides, we are supposed to be ladylike and artful. Being successfully manipulative is considered a good thing.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 4:02:37 PM   
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It's very interesting to me that your specific interaction is Korean, because the Korean kingdom was the largest, longest running Matriarchy in the Orients and was the centre of knowledge, tech, culture, and therefore power, of the surrounding countries during those periods. Ancient Korean history is a fascinating illustration of the classical rise-and-fall cycles of Male-vs-Female-Dominance.


You'd be surprised at how many numbers of Korean women I have met. Asians tend to stick with others in their cultural group and the groups are very large. It's not uncommon to open your home to distant relatives or friends or have social gatherings constantly. My sampling of Korean women is much larger than you'd think

Korean women are a force to be reckoned with. I was the wimpy one, I mostly hung back and listened. The women run their society and their homes - they scare me. However from the outside appearance they can seem very meek. Korean society has an incredibly stiff structure and rules governing it. It's a facade though in many ways and it's interesting that so many don't see that.

Sunny is in Korea now, maybe she'll come along and add in her perception From my interactions I just can't see Asian women in general, and Korean women specifically, as being submissive.


Lizi, I find your perspective so interesting because you've seen a side of Asian culture that so few outside the culture get to see, and I think you have an accurate read on much of what goes on. I think the Western stereotypes are reactions to something very surface - and only if you are privy to the "women's side of the story" do you really start to get a sense of what is going on.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 4:05:10 PM   
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Before everyone settles comfortably into the theme of 'Asian women are more submissive', can I just gently point out that I'm a sub male myself? I have no trouble at all cooking up some very agreeable fantasies about petite Asian femdoms. Lucy Liu does it for me. Hoh yes.

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RE: many of you western men like asian girls,I want to ... - 5/7/2012 4:09:06 PM   
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Pyramus, you'd be interested to know that Asian girls are generally brought up to expect and believe that a man is governed by his dick and his stomach and not much else.


There's something else?

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