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Former California Governor Comments On What The GOPs Re... - 5/7/2012 10:25:03 PM   
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(CNN) – Were Ronald Reagan in office today, some Republicans would “start looking for a ‘real’ conservative to challenge him in a primary,” Arnold Schwarzenegger wrote in an op-ed published Saturday evening.

The former California governor said that the man who held that office 30 years before him – before becoming president - is becoming more a distant memory than a model to some Republicans on the “extreme right.” They are playing the role of “ideological enforcers” rather than seeking inclusion and solutions, wrote Schwarzenegger, himself a Republican.

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“What's important is our shared belief in the broad Republican principles of free enterprise and small government,” he said in the op-ed published in the Los Angeles Times. “If we continue to fight one another without being willing to compromise, we will keep losing to big-government advocates.”

Schwarzenegger encouraged his party to embrace a “big tent” mentality rather than exclude Republicans who are willing to compromise and, like Reagan and others, occasionally “buck their party.”

“It is true that he worked to reduce the size of government and cut federal taxes, and he eliminated many regulations. But he also raised taxes when necessary. In 1983, he doubled the gas tax to pay for highway infrastructure improvements,” said Schwarzenegger, who like Reagan made his name in Hollywood before going into politics.

“By holding their fingers in their ears when those topics arise, these Republicans aren't just denying themselves a seat at the table; in a state such as California, they also deny a seat to every other Republican,” he continued.

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/8/2012 1:56:26 AM   
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The former California governor said that the man who held that office 30 years before him – before becoming president - is becoming more a distant memory than a model to some Republicans on the “extreme right.” They are playing the role of “ideological enforcers” rather than seeking inclusion and solutions, wrote Schwarzenegger, himself a Republican.


As I recall, those "ideological enforcers" were far more strident and arrogant back in the Reagan era, so I'm not sure what Schwarzenegger is talking about. We used to call them "Ronnie Robots." They were far worse back then, but now, they seem a bit more subdued than they used to be. Decades of ideologically-based deregulation, outsourcing, globalism, and mindless greed have gutted the American economy. All of what we're experiencing now (economically) was predicted back during the Reagan era, but nobody wanted to listen. Yes, there was some economic boom during Reagan's tenure in office, but a few of us knew that it was just a temporary thing and that sooner or later, the day of reckoning would come.

The Republicans are merely relying on the same tactics which worked so well during the 1980s, and I recall Schwarzenegger was one of their cheerleaders back then, too. So, he's hardly one to talk about "ideological enforcers," since he was one of them. I remember when he proclaimed "Michael Dukakis is the real Terminator" to the resounding cheers of mindless devotees.




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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/8/2012 10:50:47 AM   
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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/9/2012 10:55:25 PM   
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Yes Zonie, I remember that about Arnie too. But I tend to think he evolved a lot during his time as governor


Perhaps so, but he's trying to compare Republicans from then and now, and I don't see any difference. If anything, they were much worse back in the 1980s (the period he's extolling), since they were far more insufferably arrogant and puffed up due to Reagan's immense popularity.

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 7:33:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think he was talking more about the religious right and how far they have moved, including the teabaggers who are openly stating they will not work with the people who oppose their point of view. Reagan at least worked with both parties, to a point, whereas today's GOP seem to believe the only point of view that matters is their personal one, not even the POV of the people who elected them matters to them

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 7:48:17 AM   
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I think he was talking more about the religious right and how far they have moved, including the teabaggers who are openly stating they will not work with the people who oppose their point of view. Reagan at least worked with both parties, to a point, whereas today's GOP seem to believe the only point of view that matters is their personal one, not even the POV of the people who elected them matters to them

As if far-left liberal/progessive Democrats Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama have worked with the GOP or paid attention to "We the people..." Gimmie a friggin' break!

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 8:14:52 AM   
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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 8:28:51 AM   
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As if far-left liberal/progessive Democrats Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama have worked with the GOP or paid attention to "We the people..." Gimmie a friggin' break!



Well of course if you go by your vivid imagination, that's true.

But it's really a LOT MORE ACCURATE to go by the congressional record. And that reflects more of a picture over the past 3 or so year of the neo-cons (primarilly claiming to be 'of the tea party') getting their way in tantrum situations. Enjoy it while it lasts.


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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 11:07:16 AM   
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http://www.courierpress.com/news/2012/may/07/gop-plan-boosts-pentagon-cuts-social-programs/?partner=popular

Tanks are so much better than funding Meals On Wheels....those old folks eat too much anyway!

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 1:50:24 PM   
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Tanks are so much better than funding Meals On Wheels....those old folks eat too much anyway!


Yeah... Try wiping out an Iranian village with an old person with no teeth.


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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 1:52:34 PM   
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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 1:55:53 PM   
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The Republican power base in the 80s was based on being able to pull a lot of extremists under one tent. So he is not far off the mark on that.

And to stay relevant, I think the Republicans will have to start to understand better how to appeal to the moderate Republican.

But appealing to the moderate was never what 80s politics was about. Revisionist to say the least.

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 2:08:02 PM   
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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 3:50:47 PM   
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I think he was talking more about the religious right and how far they have moved, including the teabaggers who are openly stating they will not work with the people who oppose their point of view. Reagan at least worked with both parties, to a point, whereas today's GOP seem to believe the only point of view that matters is their personal one, not even the POV of the people who elected them matters to them

As if far-left liberal/progessive Democrats Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama have worked with the GOP or paid attention to "We the people..." Gimmie a friggin' break!


The GOP has had almost 11 years now of a "friggin' TAX break" and it hasnt created any of the jobs that was promised at that time. The "trickle down theory" in Regan's years even back then was called "voodoo economics" and that been proven to be the case since the wealthy have no incentive to actually let the wealth go anywhere but their own pockets.

http://articles.moneycentral.msn.com/CollegeAndFamily/Advice/GapBetweenRichPoorAmericansAccelerates.aspx

And in both cases the words RECESSION and unemployment (now called outsourcing) has followed Ragan & Bush...... but yet anyone else is wrong, and unAmerican for opposing them. yet when u point out such things then the excuse is everything else but the problems they started.. the only thing thats gone up in the GOP employment world is CEO salaries.

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2012/12/ceo-compensation-12-historical-pay-chart.html

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/americas-highest-paid-ceos-155504434.html

...Remember "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED" ?? but yet they bitch cuz Obama actually KILLED the asshole they missed....

go figure...



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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 3:57:46 PM   
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i don't think they're any more or less strident, but that's another debate.

i think it's ironic that repubs always say the dems are tax and spend, but the reality is that the natl debt has always increased (exponentially) more with repubs as president. Obama is the only democrat exception (also going crazy with natl debt).

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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 3:58:35 PM   
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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 4:03:15 PM   
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Grab 'em by the ankles and beat those Mooslims with a bag of bones! That'll teach 'em both a lesson!


Tell me something Mark, have you ever seen so much shit get run through Congress a with as little press as possible before this? I know the big shit gets a lot of attention, like when they want to put it off on Obama. But a lot of stuff is getting almost SNUCK through Congress.


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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 4:07:35 PM   
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Arnie wouldn't know a real republican if he came up and kicked him in his metal groin. Let alone what's good for the GOP.


And to think, there were idiots in the GOP that were making small noises to test the waters on amending the constitution so he could run for the rose garden.
You guys have a funny way of talking shit up and then ditching on it when it doesn't work out for ya. And the disowning of Arnold is a CLASSIC example.


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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 4:10:53 PM   
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The GOP has had almost 11 years now of a "friggin' TAX break" and it hasnt created any of the jobs that was promised at that time.


It's become the augmentation to trickle down economics, the gonorrhea of economics.


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RE: Former California Governor Comments On What The GOP... - 5/10/2012 4:26:10 PM   
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oops....sorry that 1st link moved.....

heres one more for fun...

http://money.msn.com/taxes/latest.aspx?gt1=33005&post=26d490bd-7317-4f93-8b43-e1da1151ea5f&ucsort=4

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