RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals

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thompsonx -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/10/2012 4:18:08 PM)
quote: Whatever. I disagree that my two statements are at odds. By the way, do you mean "xenophobe and bigot"? In any case, since you don't seem to be interested in discussing the Second Amendment, or even this particular case, nothing more remains to be said. I have noticed than when an individual runs out of facts in a discussion they usually resort to pointing out spelling errors. That is why I put them in[:D] Your consistancy is consistant.

mnottertail -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/10/2012 4:22:09 PM)
quote: IAm Thompson, consider my earlier post edited to refer to him as a dumb fuck. Better? The Fifth Circuit case was US v. Portillo-Munoz In the latin vulgate like that, it parses quite nicely, in my opinion. Torture? Yes, not a citizen. Guns? No, not a citizen. Speedy trial with habeas? No, not a citizen. Right to counsel? Yes, not a citizen. Vote? No, not a citizen. Hospitalization and Social Services? Yes, not a citizen. Torturous idological legal reasoning indeed. If all are challenged with the current court all become Nos, no legal precept at all, or the selectest of the select applied.

mnottertail -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/10/2012 5:22:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: He is entitled to due process and representation (even if it is just a PD), he isn't entitled to have a gun. I don't "wish" to change either. I am more interested in the language parsing that is going into these Second Amendment cases. But I am really flattered that you seem to care so much about my opinion. quote: His lawyer was a public defender. Think about how strange that is. The guy has a constitutional right to counsel, but he doesn't have a constitutional right to own a gun. Your two statements seem to be at odds with each other. As for your opinion I am always interested in how the mind of educated zenophobes and biggots work. I don't see them at odds, Huntie, or even a real congnitive dissonance, since she is not dissembling. You and I know we will uphold the fuckin constitution and the laws of our country (right or wrong) whether we want to or not, and just cuz you know why. I gotta say, I like the fact that we at least pay lip service to representation and a nation of laws here, and give a guy a trial before we shoot the fucker. At the same time, what separates a terrorist invasion, from a bunch of drunken other country people (I dont fuckin care, they could be canucks) hoppin the fence and shooting up dodge? How do you separate the sheep from the goats? You been there and the answer is YOU FUCKIN DON'T. No yankee, no tommy. I'm in. I dont want the fuckin hassle. at the same time without let or hindrance EVERYBODY in the US gets a mouthpiece. I'm fuckin in. I can hold those ideas in my mind equally and comfortably without causing the shakes. Now, agreed, saburo, at some level, in the letters, the words, the commas and semi-colons, somebody could point out flaws in that logic. It ain't gonna blow my dress up either way. Ron

Real0ne -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/10/2012 11:06:28 PM)
russia didnt bother with the formality of lip service.

mnottertail -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 6:39:56 AM)
Well, they don't have a copy of the US Constitution signed by Button Gwinnet and @#4%Fj (no cyrillic keyboard) in their National Archives do they, other than that the notion of your posting is drivel, and certainly nothing to do with the topic.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 7:27:12 AM)
Evidently, no one wants to discuss the Second Amendment, and what three court cases from three circuits challenging the same law in less than a year might mean.

Real0ne -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 7:31:26 AM)
its difficult discussing anything with people who are mostly blind. many do not see what can be seen with the naked eye but what they are told to see by the gubafia. The worshiped founders created a doublethink government with their commercial contract and people think the damn thing "gives" them rights. No constitution has ever done such a thing. You have the right to own and bear on your property and any public property, but the protections of the constitution have been all but abolished and you need to be a new york lawyer to wipe your butt. The people means all inhabitants regardless of allegiance. The government has reversed the contract, in that they have for years to get around the intent that the constitution enumerates what is authorized have changed its intent to anything not prohibited is authorized. HUGE difference.

mnottertail -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 8:05:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet Evidently, no one wants to discuss the Second Amendment, and what three court cases from three circuits challenging the same law in less than a year might mean. Well, to me it means that the whale is undoubtably one of the largest mammals alive today. Examining the supreme court and the circuits, how many ideologues were installed by W nabobs et al? The move to a conservative justice system has been a war fought hard for a long time. Corporations are people. Military-Industrial complex is America. Unreasonable search and siezure----outta here, privacy is Koyaanisqatsi, big brother the bomb, if there is a Roe v Wade challenge that can be crafted, its gonna go the other way. Its ideological, not logical and principled.

Real0ne -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 8:16:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Corporations are people. Its ideological, not logical and principled. its fuckin loonacy!

papassion -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 10:13:04 AM)
Post 13039 by Real one. Article 4 He disregarded a key word. "Fee inhabitants of each of the states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice EXCEPTED, Shall be entitled to all the priviledges ............................... Since illegals are "fugitives from justice" they are EXCEPTED from all privileges. Thus the second amendment does not give them the right to firearms as they are FUGITIVES FROM JUSTICE.

mnottertail -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 10:26:45 AM)
And even more disregardable, since nobody gives a fuck about that in other than way down the line in obiter dictum on the way to a decision....cuz it ain't law. What is at issue here is second amendment, not the articles of confederation adopted at one time and partially patterened for inclusion into a document which is law. You might as well argue this central relevance from some random statement of decree in the the code of Hammurabi.

thompsonx -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 10:46:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: He is entitled to due process and representation (even if it is just a PD), he isn't entitled to have a gun. I don't "wish" to change either. I am more interested in the language parsing that is going into these Second Amendment cases. But I am really flattered that you seem to care so much about my opinion. quote: His lawyer was a public defender. Think about how strange that is. The guy has a constitutional right to counsel, but he doesn't have a constitutional right to own a gun. Your two statements seem to be at odds with each other. As for your opinion I am always interested in how the mind of educated zenophobes and biggots work. I don't see them at odds, Huntie, or even a real congnitive dissonance, since she is not dissembling. The first statement clearly states that the individual in question has a right to councel but not to a gun. The second statement labels that concept "strange". If the position taken in the first statement is valid then to label a valid position "strange" does seem to make the two statements if not self contradictory then certainly "at odds" with each other. Ron

thompsonx -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 10:49:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Post 13039 by Real one. Article 4 He disregarded a key word. "Fee inhabitants of each of the states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice EXCEPTED, Shall be entitled to all the priviledges ............................... Since illegals are "fugitives from justice" they are EXCEPTED from all privileges. Thus the second amendment does not give them the right to firearms as they are FUGITIVES FROM JUSTICE. Wouldn't a fugitive from justice be one who on the run after they have been arrested,tried and convicted? In my country one is innocent till proved guilty

Hillwilliam -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 10:51:48 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Post 13039 by Real one. Article 4 He disregarded a key word. "Fee inhabitants of each of the states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice EXCEPTED, Shall be entitled to all the priviledges ............................... Since illegals are "fugitives from justice" they are EXCEPTED from all privileges. Thus the second amendment does not give them the right to firearms as they are FUGITIVES FROM JUSTICE. Wouldn't a fugitive from justice be one who on the run after they have been arrested,tried and convicted? In my country one is innocent till proved guilty Actually, it isn't necessary to be convicted to be a "fugitive from justice". If you jump bail or if you get wind that you are about to be arrested and skip town, you are considered a "Fugitive from Justice"

thompsonx -> RE: Appeals Court holds that Second Amendment doesn't apply to illegals (5/11/2012 1:57:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam quote: ORIGINAL: thompsonx quote: ORIGINAL: papassion Post 13039 by Real one. Article 4 He disregarded a key word. "Fee inhabitants of each of the states, paupers, vagabonds and fugitives from justice EXCEPTED, Shall be entitled to all the priviledges ............................... Since illegals are "fugitives from justice" they are EXCEPTED from all privileges. Thus the second amendment does not give them the right to firearms as they are FUGITIVES FROM JUSTICE. Wouldn't a fugitive from justice be one who on the run after they have been arrested,tried and convicted? In my country one is innocent till proved guilty Actually, it isn't necessary to be convicted to be a "fugitive from justice". If you jump bail If you jump bail you have already been arrested and indited thus if you do not show up for trial you are a fugitive from justice. quote: or if you get wind that you are about to be arrested and skip town, you are considered a "Fugitive from Justice" That would require an iditement and an arrest warrant to become a fugitive from justice.

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