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This is fair, but are there not any laws on capturing people's images and using them for profit without their consent? I thought even bystanders had to be aware they were in a film - and I would think that the fact that it was a porn film for distribution (and not just someone's private vacation video) would make a difference. I don't claim to know - I just would have thought there would be some rules about that.

I also didn't see any children as bystanders (did I just not see them?) I find it really odd that you could be out in public in a large city and that there would just be no children at all. Something about that didn't ring true to me. Again, I could be wrong. Or maybe the rules about what children can see is different there.

All I can say is that if you are filming in New York good luck with being in a public place here in the daytime and not having children in strollers as bystanders. And I'm quite sure nudity in front of a child is illegal here. (And by nudity, I mean just nudity - I don't mean sexual acts).

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These look like they were shot in public spaces to me, but I think I agree with graceadieu that some of these shots look like they were done in a controlled area. I, personally, didn't see children passerbys in these scenes. If there were, then clearly, the standards for what children can see is different in these countries. It did seem that actual oral/vaginal sex (i.e., real male penis inside) was all in slightly more "private" spaces within the outdoors (I didn't see a bunch of people watching the actors have sex). Penetrative play with a dildo seems to fall under a different category, as that type of play seemed to occur with unsuspecting people (or extras) walking by. But the nudity, being bound in public, being led on a leash all seem to be occurring in public spaces (although it is impossible to tell if the area was controlled - even perhaps by signs warning people that a porn shoot was being filmed). I'm not sure what the privacy laws are in these countries, but do they have the right to film a passerby as the walk past, and not have to get a signed release from them? I'm not sure everyone would be happy to be in a porn film as a passerby, even in a situation like this (especially depending on what you do professionally) - so this is also making me think there had to at least be signs up somewhere letting people know what was going on and that they were given their tacit consent to be in the film if they remained present in the area. I don't know. Maybe they don't care. Truly hard to say.

i usually agree with you, but i really doubt they posted signs. this is hit and run shooting. get a shot, move on, before you get rousted by the coppers.

and nudity is much more accepted elsewhere. the bus scene did seem extreme, but nothing a quick $20 to the driver couldn't handle. and did you notice, people were taking pictures.

This is fair, but are there not any laws on capturing people's images and using them for profit without their consent? I thought even bystanders had to be aware they were in a film - and I would think that the fact that it was a porn film for distribution (and not just someone's private vacation video) would make a difference. I don't claim to know - I just would have thought there would be some rules about that.

I also didn't see any children as bystanders (did I just not see them?) I find it really odd that you could be out in public in a large city and that there would just be no children at all. Something about that didn't ring true to me. Again, I could be wrong. Or maybe the rules about what children can see is different there.

All I can say is that if you are filming in New York good luck with being in a public place here in the daytime and not having children in strollers as bystanders. And I'm quite sure nudity in front of a child is illegal here. (And by nudity, I mean just nudity - I don't mean sexual acts).

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Those countries have very different nudity laws and are a lot more relaxed in regards to fetish porn.

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Those countries have very different nudity laws and are a lot more relaxed in regards to fetish porn.

Would you mind giving a few links to back up that statement? Just wondering, having lived in several European countries for most of my life, I just might have missed something. And the "nudity laws" don't allow nudity everywhere, it's confined to lakes and places where people sunbathe, try walking naked through any European town and see how quickly you get arrested.

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Those countries have very different nudity laws and are a lot more relaxed in regards to fetish porn.

Would you mind giving a few links to back up that statement? Just wondering, having lived in several European countries for most of my life, I just might have missed something. And the "nudity laws" don't allow nudity everywhere, it's confined to lakes and places where people sunbathe, try walking naked through any European town and see how quickly you get arrested.

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Those countries have very different nudity laws and are a lot more relaxed in regards to fetish porn.

Would you mind giving a few links to back up that statement? Just wondering, having lived in several European countries for most of my life, I just might have missed something. And the "nudity laws" don't allow nudity everywhere, it's confined to lakes and places where people sunbathe, try walking naked through any European town and see how quickly you get arrested.

Off the top of my head in Czech Republic, Belgium, Germany, Spain and Sweden public nudity is not against the law.
In some cases lewd behavior may be. But to determine what is and isn't lewd is often up to the discretion of the judge in question AFTER a complaint has been made.

I've personally walked topless through Amsterdam (in the Netherlands public nudity is only legal in "appropriate places" which Amsterdam would definitely fall under ) and completely naked but for a open fur coat in Belgium, both without any issues.
I said hello to a cop in Belgium and he tipped his cap to me.

No idea if public porn shoots would necessarily go over without arrest in any of these places, but unless an actual complaint was made it's a moot point anyways.
BTW in San Francisco and Vermont there also aren't any laws on the books against public nudity.

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Maybe they don't care. Truly hard to say.

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Wait....Star Wars wasn't real???

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Maybe they don't care. Truly hard to say.

I admit to watching quite a few of those videos found in the search link.
In one, there was an old gray-haired guy with his wife (presumably) at a bus or taxi stop that swatted the girl with his newspaper in a manner as to say "get out of here you bitch".

Other than that, the crowds did seem to conform to what you said. I didn't see kids (maybe in the distance but I wasn't looking in the distance). The sex seemed to be in semi private places like in an empty subway station or under a bridge or at the bank of a river. The public nudity did seem to be quite out in the open. The city might be Budapest but one of the films said it was a Czech woman so maybe the Czech Republic?

If the site was cordoned off, I didn't see any evidence of that (cars were whizzing by in some of them).

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This. If you pay enough money (probably not much in parts of Eastern Europe), you can rent out a city block or a park or whatever, shut it down, and hire a bunch of extras for $5 to walk around and be "random people on the street".

Bless your concepts of currency and what prices are in Eastern Europe, last time I checked they weren't much lower than the rest of Europe...

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From another thread I was turned on to eastern european D/s porn, and in doing my 'research', I noticed with wonderment that they lead a naked model on a leash apparently in the middle of an open city.

They even screw her, with many guys, while leading her about, presumably in recognizable parks and overpasses places where the authorities would have clear proof of their kinky transgressions.

I don't know what city they're in, but here's just one example of kinky public sex in a european city that maybe you recognize?

Here's one on an eastern european transit bus and one more example crawling down a busy city street in the middle of the day.

How do they get away with open public sex apparently in the middle of busy eastern european city without being arrested?

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"Erregung oeffentlichen Aergernisses" refers to sexual acts in public. Not to nudity. There may be local laws saying differently, but in general, and in the big cities like Munich and Berlin, public nudity is legal in Germany.

As far as consent goes, how exactly is that relevant? In both situation where I was nude in public it was perfectly legal to do so. Since when do I need consent of people in general to engage in legal behavior. The fact that it is legal is what gives me the consent in the first place, because they give consent to be exposed to public nudity by being in a place where public nudity is allowed.
If they do not wish to consent to public nudity, it's their job to not be in a place where it's permissible for me to be nude.

And yes, my being topless in Amsterdam was in an adult district, though not inside the red light district itself. Both times occurred late enough at night, and in a place where it was highly unlikely to encounter young children. And both times I was not being offensive to bystanders by not asking consent, because what I was doing was perfectly within my right and the scope of the law.

People get exposed to all sorts of things they find annoying and offensive every single day. Tastes and opinions of what's proper and what's not vary dramatically. Are you honestly suggesting that people should ask for consent for every single thing they LEGALLY want to do that MAY offend other people?

I'm very offended when I see some of the graphic anti-abortion signs that and pictures that are posted along the side of the road here. And yet, I would never in a million years dream of demanding of the people that put them there that they ask my permission to do so, because they are already in their right to do so, and it's none of my damn business.
So why the hell should I ask for permission to do something that's already in my right to do?

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When we went to Kink, they did say they went overseas to film most of the 'public disgrace' scenes. Although the Armory is big enough to virtually set up their own realistic looking public areas!