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Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 1:04:00 AM)
She. Knows how 2 sit on command. Yes. She still goes apeshit when a dog goes by her at the vets. Sometimes. But when we walk, we're going past dogs in their yard an she goes all kujo. As we go past. They reply in kind from behind their gates.

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our walks (5/12/2012 4:36:27 AM)
I'm going to tell you a story about our dog Sally who we had when my kids were growing up. My son (the elder) would call her to come in (we had a large fenced yard) and she ignored him. He is a sweet, gentle person, and the tone of his voice was asking her to come in. So she ignored him, b/c she was happy being out. My daughter would come to the door, bark out: "Sally, come!" and the dog ran right in. She is her mother's daughter and knows how to modulate her voice to inflect a strong sense of command into the tone. And that's the thing. A dog can tell from the tone of your voice if you mean it or not. And if you don't, they blow you off. The number one most important thing in training a dog is to understand you must be the pack leader, all the time. The pack leader commands, or else, they do not "ask." This does not mean you are cruel, or unkind, or anything like that. It means you take control. And you do that best with your voice, and your body language.

angelikaJ -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 4:39:39 AM)
Tfb, water in the face isn't cruel, it will not hurt her, it is only water. Having you be the Alpha will help her feel calmer so you have to mean everything you tell her. That way she will come to trust you. Loving her is great, but for a dog being Alpha to her is part of that.

littlewonder -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 6:41:20 AM)
If I'm not mistaken, you're getting dogs from a rescue center right? So yeah, they're all going to be problem dogs. If you can't train these dogs then maybe you might want to look at getting a dog that's already trained from someone other than the rescue center if you really want a dog that much.

kalikshama -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our walks (5/12/2012 7:22:23 AM)
Our husky was not properly socialized to other dogs as his former owners had kept him tied to a tree in their back yard. (R found him wandering the streets of Atlanta and tracked down the owner through his chip but did not return him after he learned how he was treated and that he escaped regularly.) When we first got him he was hell to walk on a leash as he lunged like crazy whenever he saw other animals, which were copious since we walked him on a golf course in South Florida with lots of ducks and other birds. As he was 75# and a working dog breed, his lunge was quite forceful. quote: Ostensibly, VS is training dogs...but what she is really doing is training owners. I have picked up more tips on how to be a good dominant from her than all the BDSM literature I've read combined. According to VS, the three keys to being a good dog master are 1-Be firm 2-Be consistent 3-Never miss a chance to reward good behavior. Now consider how this can apply to BDSM...and think how many relationships you've seen fail for a want of one or more of these three things... R didn't watch any dog shows but knew he needed to be the alpha and worked with Husky firmly and consistently, every day but Sunday. Husky wasn't aggressive to other dogs - he barked but not snarled - and R took him to dog parks. He did play nice off leash. (Chris - I am not recommending dog park for you.) Eventually, all of his behavior issues, including separation anxiety, went away, but it took a long time and a lot of consistent work. He remained small prey aggressive and while on leash managed to kill a squirrel and capture a possum. He was full grown when we got him and small prey aggression is part of the breed so we didn't attempt to change this and kept our cats separate from him, giving them free reign when Husky was at work with R and putting them in R's bedroom at night. I moved into the second bedroom when we got the husky. If only R's dominance with dogs translated to women with whom he lives, I'd still be there. Well, that and the...

DomKen -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 9:34:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom No. i never thought of that. she doesn't like other dogs it's in her adoption file that she's other dog agressive. If you have no idea or willingness to train a dog like this you shouldn't have a dog like this. In short you would need to train the dog consistently and intensely for quite a while before it would ever be remotely safe around other dogs. Even then it would likey need to be muzzled. If you don't have a yard or something where the dog can be exercised safely without contact with other dogs it would be best to find someone who does have the room or the knowledge and time to train the dog or to put it down as it will likely be very unhappy kept inside all the time. What ever shelter you got it from that let you adopt it knowing it was a difficult dog and you weren't an experienced trainer should be shut down.

DesFIP -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 10:49:53 AM)
If you physically can't control her when she lunges, then get a harness. It will give you more control. My sister is very short and when she first got her lab, he would pull her off her feet. Once she got the harness, she could control him and he then obeyed. Of course he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box, he did puppy kindergarten twice. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3307%204%2014%209052&pcatid=9052 example of harness My last dog, also a rescue, was dog aggressive which we weren't told. He was fine obeying us on anything but other animals. Since I have enough acreage, I didn't bother training him. But if I had, it would have required a harness because of his strength.

TNDommeK -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 10:54:17 AM)
Be the pack leader, as Caesar Milan would say.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 11:00:35 AM)
I like to think she trusts me already, because she is usually so eager to do as i say, and is very attached and attuned to me usually, but do you mean trust me when she feels threatened or that she needs to ward the dogs off or what ever is going on in her mind when she lunges and snarls and generally bitches them out, and won't stop when i say to? Because maybe she doesn't trust me to handle the dogs, or to keep her safe from them? Or trust me that i know best when i give her a command she doesn't wish to follow? quote: ORIGINAL: angelikaJ Tfb, water in the face isn't cruel, it will not hurt her, it is only water. Having you be the Alpha will help her feel calmer so you have to mean everything you tell her. That way she will come to trust you. Loving her is great, but for a dog being Alpha to her is part of that.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 11:14:04 AM)
We have a huge yard, she doesn't even need walks for exercise, but i figured it'd be good mental and emotional stimulus if she didn't have the barking an lunging issue. She's not super difficult any other time, she's a dream dog, it's just this one area and I may need to get professional help in this area, once we can afford a class. We have a great referral to a local lady, and she was going to help me work with our other dog, before she got sick and we had to put her to sleep. quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen If you don't have a yard or something where the dog can be exercised safely without contact with other dogs it would be best to find someone who does have the room or the knowledge and time to train the dog or to put it down as it will likely be very unhappy kept inside all the time. What ever shelter you got it from that let you adopt it knowing it was a difficult dog and you weren't an experienced trainer should be shut down.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 11:17:32 AM)
Yes, those are called gentle leaders, and it helps control the dogs head. I was given one when i was fostering Bones, the deaf dog when we went on our walks, since being deaf he couldn't hear my corrections. I want one for Calley, and they're only 20 bucks at the shelter and it comes with a dvd how to use it. No. I am not strong enough to psychically control her, she's 75 pounds and when she wants to throw that weight around she will at this time. quote: ORIGINAL: DesFIP If you physically can't control her when she lunges, then get a harness. It will give you more control. My sister is very short and when she first got her lab, he would pull her off her feet. Once she got the harness, she could control him and he then obeyed. Of course he wasn't the brightest crayon in the box, he did puppy kindergarten twice. http://www.drsfostersmith.com/product/prod_display.cfm?c=3307%204%2014%209052&pcatid=9052 example of harness My last dog, also a rescue, was dog aggressive which we weren't told. He was fine obeying us on anything but other animals. Since I have enough acreage, I didn't bother training him. But if I had, it would have required a harness because of his strength.

LadyConstanze -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 11:19:43 AM)
A dog doesn't think like that, they don't question why, it really comes down to the pack leader commands, if they can flaunt commands and do what they want, you're not the pack leader, dog might love you but it doesn't mean you got the dog's respect. A lot of the problems people have with dogs is that the dog thinks the human is weak and he or she has to lead the pack, being the pack leader is a lot of stress for a dog and they tend to show more aggression. Let me ask you, does the dog come to you and poke you when she wants to be petted? If you do that, you are answering to her demands and she made you her bitch. Don't pick her up or let her on the furniture, highest place is for the highest rank in the pack, you're confusing the dog, if they don't know their proper place in the pack, they get a bit odd. Go with the snout grabbing and just hold it together, don't know what breed you have but with long Dobie snouts it works wonderful and they HATE it, doesn't hurt them, they just can't open their jaws to bark, after a while all you have to do is to put the finger on their nose. We had a lot of fun because the dogs went seriously mental whenever somebody threw something into our mail box, so getting the paper in the morning, the mail, flyers and advertising... Would have driven me bonkers if they had kept that up. The plus side of it was, they learned that when I do that, they stop, they don't need to "protect" the pack from other dogs who bark at them. Also when you walk her, make sure her attention is always focused on you, that she isn't sniffing and looking around, she has to look at you because you're the alpha, you give the commands, when she did that well, she gets a bit of play time and sniffing around. Make a game out of it and hide something she was allowed to sniff before and let her search for it. If she looks around when you are walking, just touch her gently or give the lead a little yank...

ChatteParfaitt -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 11:28:06 AM)
All excellent advice. Here is a very informative website with even more info: http://k911dogtraining.info/training/

kalikshama -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 11:38:06 AM)
quote: We have a huge yard, she doesn't even need walks for exercise Are you exercising her in the yard or leaving it up to her?

Lockit -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:08:40 PM)
I would hold off on walks or anything that could expose the dog to other dogs until I had full control as alpha. I didn't use a leash, but a harness. This made it easier to work with them when training. I also felt it was safer for the dog. I didn't like the gentle leads. I wanted the dog to obey me and used other methods that have been mentioned already, to show them I was queen bitch. I taught them to walk in my house with me, then outside and they were to pay attention to me. Food was never allowed to be eaten until I gave the command. I taught them that anyone reaching into the bowl was allowed and took the food away if they got nasty about it or if they rushed the bowl before I gave them permission. Each little thing you do that shows you are boss, will re-enforce who you are to them. I think the history and age of the dog does come into play as well. I've known some teen dogs that got testy or retested lessons learned and one highly intelligent dog would manipulate, trying to catch me off guard, so she could do things she wasn't allowed to do. One we couldn't take into public because apparently the previous parents were young and any one he saw that age group would have him crying and trying to get to them. They had abandoned him. We had to make our world his world... until he trusted us and that can take some time, even if he is happy to see you and please you... a hurt dog isn't going to trust as readily. Your job is to assure no further damage is done and safety, love, discipline and pecking order is established. You show who is boss... you give attention and affection when you believe it best, not when they ask or demand it. Just like with a child, when you are talking to them or addressing something, you want them looking at you, watching you. I used hand signs to help in this, so they had to watch me. I would say the command and make a hand sign that was only used for that command. Eventually I didn't have to say a word and could use only hand signs and they obeyed. The holding the snout is good with most dogs I've known and also makes them used to you holding them in a manner most would fight or be aggressive with if someone else might reach for their face. Also, holding your hand on the top of their head is good. They don't want your hand there and will try to twist away, as they see it as a sign of dominance. The more dominant of dogs will resist, more than less dominant ones. When you have the pecking order established, in a controlled environment, I would introduce another dog in your environment and not before then. When it goes well, you can test out in public, but I would use a muzzle temporarily. That's in part what has worked for me. Each dog is a bit different, but you be the consistent one and boss without inducing real fear and you should have better results.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:23:55 PM)
Yes, she comes up and noses my arm when she wants something, i think it's kinda cute . unless she gets rude and starts trying to shove her head under my arm and knock my arm off of what i was doing. So i shouldn't allow that? I've always loved the dogs on the bed, so i don't think i'd wanna keep her off the bed, and none of the other dogs we had, had behavior problems, Well Ginger hated strangers and would act like she'd eat them for lunch an floss with their bones, but she was never socialized right and when her mom had her, kept isolated all the time because her mom couldn't manage to take her down the steps or out to walks and stuff. but that being said she waits for me to invite her and will stay off when i said no. She's a golden retriever mix, her file says she's pure bred but i am not so sure, she doesn't look pb. But anyway, that's what she is and she's 75 pounds, and can get to 80 before they consider her over weight, but we, the vet and i prefer her at 75, it's more optimal. quote: ORIGINAL: LadyConstanze Let me ask you, does the dog come to you and poke you when she wants to be petted? If you do that, you are answering to her demands and she made you her bitch. Don't pick her up or let her on the furniture, highest place is for the highest rank in the pack, you're confusing the dog, if they don't know their proper place in the pack, they get a bit odd. Go with the snout grabbing and just hold it together, don't know what breed you have but with long Dobie snouts it works wonderful and they HATE it, doesn't hurt them, they just can't open their jaws to bark, after a while all you have to do is to put the finger on their nose. We had a lot of fun because the dogs went seriously mental whenever somebody threw something into our mail box, so getting the paper in the morning, the mail, flyers and advertising... Would have driven me bonkers if they had kept that up. The plus side of it was, they learned that when I do that, they stop, they don't need to "protect" the pack from other dogs who bark at them. Also when you walk her, make sure her attention is always focused on you, that she isn't sniffing and looking around, she has to look at you because you're the alpha, you give the commands, when she did that well, she gets a bit of play time and sniffing around. Make a game out of it and hide something she was allowed to sniff before and let her search for it. If she looks around when you are walking, just touch her gently or give the lead a little yank... quote: r up or let her on the furniture, highest place is for the highest rank in the pa

PurePleasure2 -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:48:56 PM)
You MUST establish yourself as the Alpha being in your dog's pack. Humans are part of a domesticated dog's pack or family. If spraying her in the face to correct inappropriate behavior is necessary when you have the dog in public, do it. It is not cruel. Carry a water bottle with a squirt top for this purpose. It will get your dog's attention quickly if she shows signs of aggression towards another dog. lt's better to have your dog soggy and corrected than to have to pay someone's vet bill because your dog acted up. You may want to mix water with some vinegar in the bottle so that you're not tempted to drink it while on your outing.

PurePleasure2 -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 12:57:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Toppingfrmbottom Yes, she comes up and noses my arm when she wants something, i think it's kinda cute . unless she gets rude and starts trying to shove her head under my arm and knock my arm off of what i was doing. So i shouldn't allow that? This is just one sign of her exerting dominance over you. YOU decide when she gets attention or something else. Make her wait, and be sure to praise her for waiting when you do give the desired thing. I've always loved the dogs on the bed, so i don't think i'd wanna keep her off the bed, and none of the other dogs we had, had behavior problems, Well Ginger hated strangers and would act like she'd eat them for lunch an floss with their bones, but she was never socialized right and when her mom had her, kept isolated all the time because her mom couldn't manage to take her down the steps or out to walks and stuff. but that being said she waits for me to invite her and will stay off when i said no. This will sound cruel, but Callie is not Ginger, she's Callie. Don't compare them. Each dog has its own personality, likes and dislikes. Dogs can be great family members, but always remember they are DOGS, not humans in fur. You have been offered some great advice here, if you really want a dog that behaves well, take the advice to heart.

Toppingfrmbottom -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 1:03:23 PM)
I leave it up to her, she doesn't like to play or nothing so i don't know what to do to get her going out there, i just let her wander around, she sniffs at the ground a lot, goes up front to do her number 2's and smell all the new plants, comes back suns her self pee's if she needs to an then flops down to sun herself. quote: ORIGINAL: kalikshama Are you exercising her in the yard or leaving it up to her?

Iamsemisweet -> RE: I was told to squirt in the face with a spraybottle when she goes kujo about other dogs on our when (5/12/2012 1:09:40 PM)
You HAVE to manage her behavior. Some call that establishing yourself as the Alpha, but at least my relationships with my dogs are more complicated than that. The point is, her behavior could result in injury to another dog, a fine for you, and destruction for her. I had a bitch that I dearly loved, who was incredibly bitch aggressive, to the point she tried to kill other females. It wasn't a behavior she could be trained out of. The solution was to manage her behavior so she didn't have the opportunity to act on it. If your dog is the same way, you either need to manage the behavior or rehome her

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