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You think photons are massless? PROVE IT

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You think something can exist in nothing?

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Now that the best case of truly fucked up yet! PROVE IT!

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Do you see the cord running across the ground?  Don't be so fuckin gullible.  We've been thru the farsical part of that story earlier, and it is no more true pages later.

There was no picture of a 100v 100w lightbulb being lit ever on this thread.  

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I am so happy for you!

So you graduated with honors from UMass and you did a thesis on transmission.

Care to expound any more of that awesome education upon us?

I am sure you are the envy of the world about now.

Why? You don't listen when Three grown men tell you not to touch those wires.
You expect me to write you a term paper?
I was done with that 30 years ago.
Now put down those cables?

Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale

BUT I DONT GET A SHOCK EXPLAIN WHY




How about you ana ax whatever explain why there is not shock ZIPPO NADA when lighting a 110 volt 100 watt bulb and touching the electrodes?

More electromagnetic non mechanical voodoo maybe huh?

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You really are ignorant of the basic physics going on here, aren't you? Look, I like you man, but I'm only going to explain this one last time...
The principal has not changed.
They've just added some dirt. The principal here is a DC Transmission skin effect ... Wool sleeve to take most of the transmission distance and the remainder goes across his hand, WHICH DOES REGISTER A MILD SHOCK. Dude I did this in a freshman physics class at Umass ... And if you look at the 'magic bucket' right below where the electrodes go into the soil (AKA THE DIELECTRIC), through the sides of the bucket you'll see a hole on either side and a cable running down out of the frame.
The guy's jacket sleeve conducts the LOW DC CURRENT, skin effect to one pole of the lightbulb's circuit. Meanwhile, the Other pole is ALSO TOUCHING the opposite electrode and the bulb in the middle is absorbing most of the current. And guess what... the man's hand IS getting a very mild shock.

And hey... instead of looking at these bullshit videos, why not read this:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:TeslaSecret_Scam

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1.  The loss of financing is a canard. It is simple to meter it, and its being done every day.

Radio controlled meters at the endpoint.  Thats how my electrical usage is billed and has been for some years. Directly translateable, working as is, in place and will work with any system.


Really???? Go ahead fund a tesla transmitter and build those meters and I will show you how quick I can do and continue to do one workaround after another to thwart your metering anf get it for free! That is not a display of what you know but what you do not know about it.

you need to learn the  ier relationship.  because a lamp is rated 120v 100w does not mean that is the minimum capable of running it, nor that it wont survive higher it says that at 120 volts it puts out 120 watts. w= i * v.   (hint: that should give you its amperage) lol.

Its not radiating, hence harmless to humans until it is directed through or across metals and carbons etc.

I am not so sure the same math applies in the same way



I personally have held 240v lightbulbs in my fingers.  It aint a big deal. Where is the HV blue corona, and what is its significance.

yeh but you have not held both live terminals in your hands so why the play on words here?

Yes, look at a 'telephone pole' line, they go many times 26 miles.

wireLESS not wired

Here is 'tesla' electricity scaled: 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkBU3aYsf0Q

There is an actual live demonstration, widely covered, with press and explanation....

Yeh Teslas rival edison electricuting an elephant with the electricity used in the house today. If that were the electricity from the wireless transmitter that elephant would not have felt a thing


What you have is parlour tricks (with assumed this and that inputs, and much ballyhoo about coronas





Here is a violet wand what do you think that corona is? (of course its set up different then a transmitter, its set up as a sparkler)


Corona discharge
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The corona discharge around a high-voltage coil
Corona discharge on a Wartenberg wheel

In electricity, a corona discharge is an electrical discharge brought on by the ionization of a fluid surrounding a conductor that is electrically energized. The discharge will occur when the strength (potential gradient) of the electric field around the conductor is high enough to form a conductive region, but not high enough to cause electrical breakdown or arcing to nearby objects. It is often seen as a bluish (or other color) glow in the air adjacent to pointed metal conductors carrying high voltages.




and other insignificant asswipe) and no actual recorded, but but but what about all those citations? credible, citeable facts and witnesses.  (nobody really saw the 26 mile lightbulbs, Tesla drive to AZ or wherever or his gravity theory, or the Wardenclyff or Colo generators actually generate electricity. 


Nobody has actually POWERED a commercially viable boat, airplane, train, bus, car or anything else with 'tesla' electricity according to your scheme.

There are docutments, drawings (lots of artifacts at one time, of many failures) but nothing whatsoever in the way of actual reality.  

But even wiki provides citations whats wrong with their citations?

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Wireless transmission and reception

The Tesla coil can also be used for wireless transmission. In addition to the positioning of the elevated terminal well above the top turn of the helical resonator, another difference from the sparking Tesla coil is the primary break rate. The optimized Tesla coil transmitter is a continuous wave oscillator with a break rate equaling the operating frequency. The combination of a helical resonator with an elevated terminal is also used for wireless reception.[9][10][11][12][13][14] The Tesla coil receiver is intended for receiving the non-radiating electromagnetic field energy produced by the Tesla coil transmitter. The Tesla coil receiver is also adaptable for exploiting the ubiquitous vertical voltage gradient in the Earth's atmosphere. Tesla built and used various devices for detecting electromagnetic field energy. His early wireless apparatus operated on the basis of Hertzian waves or ordinary radio waves, electromagnetic waves that propagate in space without involvement of a conducting guiding surface.[15] During his work at Colorado Springs, Tesla believed he had established electrical resonance of the entire Earth using the Tesla coil transmitter at his "Experimental Station."[16]

Tesla stated one of the requirements of the World Wireless System was the construction of resonant receivers.[17] The related concepts and methods are part of his wireless transmission system (US1119732 – Apparatus for Transmitting Electrical Energy – 1902 January 18). Tesla made a proposal that there needed to be many more than thirty transmission-reception stations worldwide.[18] In one form of receiving circuit the two input terminals are connected each to a mechanical pulse-width modulation device adapted to reverse polarity at predetermined intervals of time and charge a capacitor.[19] This form of Tesla system receiver has means for commutating the current impulses in the charging circuit so as to render them suitable for charging the storage device, a device for closing the receiving-circuit, and means for causing the receiver to be operated by the energy accumulated.[20]
Tesla coil in one experiment of many conducted in Colorado Springs. This is a grounded tuned coil in resonance with a nearby transmitter; Light is glowing near the bottom.



A Tesla coil used as a receiver is referred to as a Tesla receiving transformer.[21][22][23][24] The Tesla coil receiver acts as a step-down transformer with high current output.[25] The parameters of a Tesla coil transmitter are identically applicable to it being a receiver (e.g.., an antenna circuit), due to reciprocity. Impedance, generally though, is not applied in an obvious way; for electrical impedance, the impedance at the load (e.g.., where the power is consumed) is most critical and, for a Tesla coil receiver, this is at the point of utilization (such as at an induction motor) rather than at the receiving node. Complex impedance of an antenna is related to the electrical length of the antenna at the wavelength in use. Commonly, impedance is adjusted at the load with a tuner or a matching networks composed of inductors and capacitors.

A Tesla coil can receive electromagnetic impulses[26] from atmospheric electricity[27][28][29] and radiant energy,[12][30] besides normal wireless transmissions. Radiant energy throws off with great velocity minute particles which are strongly electrified and other rays falling on the insulated-conductor connected to a condenser (i.e., a capacitor) can cause the condenser to indefinitely charge electrically.[31] The helical resonator can be "shock excited" due to radiant energy disturbances not only at the fundamental wave at one-quarter wavelength but also is excited at its harmonics. Hertzian methods can be used to excite the Tesla coil receiver with limitations that result in great disadvantages for utilization, though.[32] The methods of ground conduction and the various induction methods can also be used to excite the Tesla coil receiver, but are again at a disadvantages for utilization.[33] The charging-circuit can be adapted to be energized by the action of various other disturbances and effects at a distance. Arbitrary and intermittent oscillations that are propagated via conduction to the receiving resonator will charge the receiver's capacitor and utilize the potential energy to greater effect.[34] Various radiations can be used to charge and discharge conductors, with the radiations considered electromagnetic vibrations of various wavelengths and ionizing potential.[31] The Tesla receiver utilizes the effects or disturbances to charge a storage device with energy from an external source (natural or man-made) and controls the charging of said device by the actions of the effects or disturbances (during succeeding intervals of time determined by means of such effects and disturbances corresponding in succession and duration of the effects and disturbances).[35] The stored energy can also be used to operate the receiving device. The accumulated energy can, for example, operate a transformer by discharging through a primary circuit at predetermined times which, from the secondary currents, operate the receiving device.[35]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_coil

What you have is kitchen table cold fusion....do not try this at home, because it cannot be reproduced at commercially viable levels. 

Absolutely no proof of   

Why not modify one of these to transmit of you think that maybe they arent beg enough either?

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You really are ignorant of the basic physics going on here, aren't you? Look, I like you man, but I'm only going to explain this one last time...
The principal has not changed.
They've just added some dirt. The principal here is a DC Transmission skin effect ... Wool sleeve to take most of the transmission distance and the remainder goes across his hand, WHICH DOES REGISTER A MILD SHOCK. Dude I did this in a freshman physics class at Umass ... And if you look at the 'magic bucket' right below where the electrodes go into the soil (AKA THE DIELECTRIC), through the sides of the bucket you'll see a hole on either side and a cable running down out of the frame.
The guy's jacket sleeve conducts the LOW DC CURRENT, skin effect to one pole of the lightbulb's circuit. Meanwhile, the Other pole is ALSO TOUCHING the opposite electrode and the bulb in the middle is absorbing most of the current. And guess what... the man's hand IS getting a very mild shock.

And hey... instead of looking at these bullshit videos, why not read this:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:TeslaSecret_Scam

As the guy who made the video and built the coil, I have the following input. (hows that for a citation! LOLOL)

The coil output (low voltage bottom end) is connected to the copper pipe on the left side of the bucket. See "extra coil fun" video to compare voltage difference between both ends of coil. The end of the posted video also shows the voltage difference.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msYENhrhHco

There is NO shock or feeling whatsoever. The only hazard is making and breaking contacts where a small spark (<0.5mm) will jump into the finger and burn or sting like a needle. When contact is made there is nothing to be felt. Making all "switch" contacts between metallic objects instead of fingers removes this hazard.

There is NO high voltage at the coil output. There is NO "static", this is not energising the gas inside a fluorescent tube. This is lighting the filament with one supply "wire" or transmission line, whether that be a direct connection to the coil, or through a bucket of soil, or my body in series before the bulb.

Note: The fluorescent tube does not light, but the filament bulb does. This is not what people incorrectly believe a Tesla coil to be. Compare any random "Tesla coil" image on google/youtube, and look at Tesla's Colorado Springs setup. Notice any errors? The most obvious being that they are two completely different designs.



Secondary coil height must be 20% of diameter, not 500%. Number of turns = 20, NOT 1000+. Primary = 2 turns, same diameter as secondary. Extra coil = 126 turns, equal diameter to height ratio.

Random "Tesla coil" = no good.

There is no return path, this is not DC and not AC. It's a completely open loop circuit. I am the end of the transmission line. In order to light the bulb requires sufficient capacitance on the other terminal, so that the current flows THROUGH the filament. A piece of metal, water, my body etc for example, the capacitance of the object/material determining the brightness of the bulb. If the filament is itself the end of the transmission line then the current has no reason to pass through it and it doesn't light. See Tesla's patent on one wire light bulbs or whatever where he notes the obstacles. This is the effect he speaks of.

The woollen jumper is not making contact with the copper pipe, and is of no consequence to any other relevant experiment. My clothes are completely irrelevant.

The "magic bucket" is simply a bucket of garden soil with two copper pipes pushed in on opposite ends. The coil output simply connects to one of these pipes. There are no other cables going in or out of it. What you apparently believe are cables is the handle. It's a compost disposal thing supplied by the council in UK.

Early experiments with flat spiral coil and low power input:

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Note the bulb with slightly longer wires is brighter due to the higher capacitance of wire

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Knostantin Meyl is not properly replicating Tesla's work and shouldn't be taken seriously with regard to the TMT.

Setting up a TMT or flat spiral coil as a crystal radio to receive a local radio station proves the Telluric transmission system very easily. An overground and underground receiver side by side with an oscilloscope reveals the velocity difference between each wave, and consequently disproves Einstein as the Telluric wave arrives up to 400 nanoseconds ahead of the other, which is supposedly travelling at the speed of light.

"Tesla Secret" etc = crap. There are lots of "experts" who sell things claiming to know what Tesla was doing, yet none of them are able to demonstrate a working system or even show anything that remotely resembles what Tesla was working with. This applies to about 99% of the available information. Best place to look is the source. Read Nikola Tesla - Colorado Springs Notes, for a start.

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"Tesla Secret" etc = crap. There are lots of "experts" who sell things claiming to know what Tesla was doing, yet none of them are able to demonstrate a working system or even show anything that remotely resembles what Tesla was working with.

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"Tesla Secret" etc = crap. There are lots of "experts" who sell things claiming to know what Tesla was doing, yet none of them are able to demonstrate a working system or even show anything that remotely resembles what Tesla was working with.

Naw, we will go with this.

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"Tesla Secret" etc = crap. There are lots of "experts" who sell things claiming to know what Tesla was doing, yet none of them are able to demonstrate a working system or even show anything that remotely resembles what Tesla was working with.

Naw, we will go with this.

Its funny how R0 is treating this guy as the new messiah, when he actually criticised R0's great hero one Knostantin Meyl. BTW anybody think its a wee bit dubious when someone claims they can measure the speed of light down to billionths of a second on a humble oscilloscope, and claim to measure telluric energy running faster than the speed of light?

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I have told you several times, and just for example your 'corona' and violet wand equivocation is asswipe, since that is the actual color (violet) of the tubes insulators.

You have demonstrated that you have no capacity whatsoever to understand Tesla, even after being given lessons, you repeatedly misunderstand it and float off to some other fantasy interpretation, so a revisitation of the issues would be as fruitless this thousandth time as is was at the inception of this wackiness some years ago.

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"Tesla Secret" etc = crap. There are lots of "experts" who sell things claiming to know what Tesla was doing, yet none of them are able to demonstrate a working system or even show anything that remotely resembles what Tesla was working with.

Naw, we will go with this.

Its funny how R0 is treating this guy as the new messiah, when he actually criticised R0's great hero one Knostantin Meyl. BTW anybody think its a wee bit dubious when someone claims they can measure the speed of light down to billionths of a second on a humble oscilloscope, and claim to measure telluric energy running faster than the speed of light?

but you cant critisize the demonstration LOL

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even an antique EICO kit scope can display .4 micro second delay LOL

not to mention todays equipment

Its more about understanding how to do it than the equipment.

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"Tesla Secret" etc = crap. There are lots of "experts" who sell things claiming to know what Tesla was doing, yet none of them are able to demonstrate a working system or even show anything that remotely resembles what Tesla was working with.

Naw, we will go with this.

Its funny how R0 is treating this guy as the new messiah, when he actually criticised R0's great hero one Knostantin Meyl. BTW anybody think its a wee bit dubious when someone claims they can measure the speed of light down to billionths of a second on a humble oscilloscope, and claim to measure telluric energy running faster than the speed of light?

but you cant critisize the demonstration LOL

As I said repeatedly, such a demonstration needs to be performed under scientific conditions, where every element of the test is assessed. Many demonstrations have yielded remarkable results that did not stand up to scrutiny. The CERN test on the speed of light a few months back was also shown to be false leading to a scientist resigning.
regardless it does not change the fact he is not getting a shock and there is only 1 wire transmission as tesla claimed. proof of concept in spades

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even an antique EICO kit scope can display .4 micro second delay LOL

not to mention todays equipment

Its more about understanding how to do it than the equipment.

If an EICO could measure to just under a thousandth of a second that is still a very far cry from a billionth of a second.

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corona and blue and pretty does not do a fucking thing for anybody.  You can put a blue potato (they have em) in a corona beer, and you still aint got nothing.

What does it do?  Whats it good for?  Where is electricity flowing thru the air in an organized fashion at commercial level without harm to anything to run cars?

you aint got nothing more useful than your magna carta.