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Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:24:00 PM)

ah huh... sure.... what a crock of shit. You are the one AS USUAL who conjured up conspiratorial! I told you time and time again it would not make the top tier any money, MONEY get it? Thats commercial.

Of course burning down his lab that just happened to "coincidentally" allow marconi to get his name in the books first and the fact that marconi is stil recognized even though the supreme court ruled in favor of tesla and the fact that marconi is still credited instead of tesla to this day not with standing.

Tesla made over 800 patents and every time someone built one of his patents to his specification IT WORKED!

Yet you come out here and want everyone to believe that regardless that they ALL fucking work, this is the one that does not.

The highest degree of intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation on the planet, but then everyone has to be good at something eh.

simple, you put it in a faraday cage and it does not have to be mu metal.








Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:33:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ah huh... sure.... what a crock of shit. You are the one AS USUAL who conjured up conspiratorial! I told you time and time again it would not make the top tier any money, MONEY get it? Thats commercial.

The only crock with shit in it houses your own unpleasant person. You were the one raising conspiracy on this thread, and Tesla's work is surrounded with fanciful conspiracism on the entire web.

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Tesla made over 800 patents and every time someone built one of his patents to his specification IT WORKED!

Yet you come out here and want everyone to believe that regardless that they ALL fucking work, this is the one that does not.

What a crock of strawman. You are the one on here making grandiose claims, no one else.

I never said all of his work with wireless technology worked with any exceptions. I repeatedly said the fundamentals with regard to scalar waves didn't work.

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The highest degree of intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation on the planet, but then everyone has to be good at something eh.

This from a guy who repeatedly copies and pastes, strawmans to a shameless extent, claims to know what he evidently knows nothing about, and bigs up his friend to win the argument - the very chap who repeatedly dismissed your bullshit claims about Meyl, free energy etc. A pyrrhic victory if there ever was one! [:D]




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:37:40 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

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ORIGINAL: dRGreen420

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Nothing moved faster than the speed of light in any demonstration anywhere, the one that arrived last was slower than the speed of light.  As was the first .... so the second was way way way slower.


Then what do you propose is the velocity of radio waves?


Bring me back the defintion (the whole definition) of the speed of light.  We are in a gravity field and surrounded by material objects.

There are many things for instance that move faster than the speed of light in water, we call that Cherenkov radiation.

NOTHING MOVED FASTER than the speed of light.

There is no material object in the ponderable universe  that can exceed the speed of light.
 
The most significant reason that this is true:     Time, as we understand it, does not flow from present to past.

Both are Al Einstein.  And both are A Priori true.


and if one were to remove the radiation element then what result would you expect?

if one were to strike an absolutely inelastic object at twice the speed of lite that was 186000 miles long, how long would it take for the energy to be transferred to the other side?





If you choked your chicken at twice the speed of light, how many angstroms of tinfoil radiation would you produce per nanosecond?


ok so you have no clue then, I will accept that




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:43:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ah huh... sure.... what a crock of shit. You are the one AS USUAL who conjured up conspiratorial! I told you time and time again it would not make the top tier any money, MONEY get it? Thats commercial.

The only crock with shit in it houses your own unpleasant person. You were the one raising conspiracy on this thread, and Tesla's work is surrounded with fanciful conspiracism on the entire web.

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Tesla made over 800 patents and every time someone built one of his patents to his specification IT WORKED!

Yet you come out here and want everyone to believe that regardless that they ALL fucking work, this is the one that does not.

What a crock of strawman. You are the one on here making grandiose claims, no one else.

I never said all of his work with wireless technology worked with any exceptions. I repeatedly said the fundamentals with regard to scalar waves didn't work.

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The highest degree of intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation on the planet, but then everyone has to be good at something eh.

This from a guy who repeatedly copies and pastes, strawmans to a shameless extent, claims to know what he evidently knows nothing about, and bigs up his friend to win the argument - the very chap who repeatedly dismissed your bullshit claims about Meyl, free energy etc. A pyrrhic victory if there ever was one! [:D]



I dont recall that tesla put that label on it. Oh so because somewhere on the planet someone claims it was a conspiracy you choose to attach it also to me and this thread. another red herring line of shit invention of yours.

oh now accusing me of coming up with a sock, you have no fucking integrity what so ever. He found this thread on his own loser.

You really need to make up your mind if I am copy and paste or never post citations. which one you want since you claim both whenever it suits the bullshit you are pushing at the time.




Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:44:26 PM)

I see R0 did an ETA after I responded.
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ah huh... sure.... what a crock of shit. You are the one AS USUAL who conjured up conspiratorial! I told you time and time again it would not make the top tier any money, MONEY get it? Thats commercial.

Of course burning down his lab that just happened to "coincidentally" allow marconi to get his name in the books first and the fact that marconi is stil recognized even though the supreme court ruled in favor of tesla and the fact that marconi is still credited instead of tesla to this day not with standing.

I find it extremely comical that in one breath R0 denies bringing up conspiracy, and in the next brings all sorts of batshit criminal and institutional conspiracism! [:D] [:D] [:D]




Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:50:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
ah huh... sure.... what a crock of shit. You are the one AS USUAL who conjured up conspiratorial! I told you time and time again it would not make the top tier any money, MONEY get it? Thats commercial.

The only crock with shit in it houses your own unpleasant person. You were the one raising conspiracy on this thread, and Tesla's work is surrounded with fanciful conspiracism on the entire web.

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Tesla made over 800 patents and every time someone built one of his patents to his specification IT WORKED!

Yet you come out here and want everyone to believe that regardless that they ALL fucking work, this is the one that does not.

What a crock of strawman. You are the one on here making grandiose claims, no one else.

I never said all of his work with wireless technology worked with any exceptions. I repeatedly said the fundamentals with regard to scalar waves didn't work.

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The highest degree of intellectual dishonesty and obfuscation on the planet, but then everyone has to be good at something eh.

This from a guy who repeatedly copies and pastes, strawmans to a shameless extent, claims to know what he evidently knows nothing about, and bigs up his friend to win the argument - the very chap who repeatedly dismissed your bullshit claims about Meyl, free energy etc. A pyrrhic victory if there ever was one! [:D]

I dont recall that tesla put that label on it. Oh so because somewhere on the planet someone claims it was a conspiracy you choose to attach it also to me and this thread. another red herring line of shit invention of yours.

Read the posts properly before you reply. I said you had already made those claims personally and even above too.

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oh now accusing me of coming up with a sock, you have no fucking integrity what so ever. He found this thread on his own loser.

I did not accuse you of creating any socks. Stop fucking lying.

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You really need to make up your mind if I am copy and paste or never post citations. which one you want since you claim both whenever it suits the bullshit you are pushing at the time.

More strawmanning. I didn't say you didn't post citations, you cite the same youtube videos over and over and over again. The point was that they are not adequate proofs. Present a decent study from a reputable journal for a fucking change.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:55:16 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dRGreen420

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Thanks for the video. I'm not saying your claims are untrue but I don't think a tesla coil picking up the radio signal without an antenna necessarily proves telluric transmission works. Radio frequencies are picked up by a lot of circuits, sometimes even with modest clarity.

My own motivation was not to explain it all away. Tesla's theories have been bound up with some absurd conspiracism, and so are advanced for political agendas. You are new on CM so you may not realise this is the case with the OP. Tesla's work has been bound up with a lot of overt myth making (e.g. the Tesla Car) and pseudo-science. It also challenges the cornerstones of some very well founded science that delivered immense benefit in the 20th Century. By contrast Tesla's own work has yielded nothing of significance to-date. I know you don't like Meyl but he is the strongest Tesla advocate around and his work has been debunked too. Thus it is justified to respond with extreme skepticism, in my view.

Having said that, if the technology truly works then that can only be a good thing, and hopefully can be put to good use so I wish you luck submitting material to the Royal Society.


Thank you.

Again it's one of those things when you know the setup yourself then there is no doubt. The transmitter is over 84km away, there's no antenna, the detector circuit consists of a 1N34 diode. The circuit is shown at the start of the video. Given the difficulties involved in getting a reliable signal WITH an antenna, the without antenna reception speaks for itself. When you are the one to do it then it's all put into perspective.

I've heard a lot of crap about Tesla, the most harmful are the countless facebook groups and such things who claim to help. They are only spreading false information. To take different posts into consideration here, the wireless system is essentially the one wire transmission system turned upside down. Rather than a wire, the transmission line becomes the earth, and the coil establishes its own virtual ground through the use of the capacitance on the top of the coil. I have done this through various mediums/materials, and as already mentioned I can be the transmission line myself and light up a filament bulb in my free hand. For efficient earth transmission the frequency needs to be lowered, as Tesla said himself no higher than 20-35 kc. Differences can be seen and can be quite confusing through using different frequencies as they exhibit different effects. With a high frequency for example I can light a filament bulb from one wire by being in series before the bulb, but I can't light fluorescent tubes this way. The frequency is too high to energise the gas through my body, even though it will light a filament.

Scepticism is fine but from my point of view, I did experiments and it was all "easily" explained away with some conventional theory. The woollen jumper forming a part of the circuit for example, total misunderstanding or misinterpretation of what was seen. That's not what's happening at all so the scepticism isn't justified in that case. So it's a tough one to go in the right direction from where we are now. Most Tesla enthusiasts are doing it wrong, and the sceptics are basing their opinions on that wrong method also. So as far as a scientific framework and advancement goes, this is not good.

As for Meyl, if he was properly reproducing Tesla's system then the WATER would be energised, and he would have a wire going into the water. Note the obviousness of if the earth is energised then the sea is connected to it. Therefore Meyl's boat should be receiving the energy through the water, being the grounded end of the coil. He is also making claims of "1000%" but to date I have no idea 1000% of what the claim is supposed to be. He is selling pretty expensive demonstration devices so making various claims obviously works well for him. But his coils are made on printed circuit boards, not wire that has as little contact with other objects as possible. So lots of negatives as far as he's concerned.

As for "free energy", I believe this is mostly based on a misunderstanding and people wanting it to be something it's not. I'm not aware of Tesla claiming he could get "significant" amounts of power out of thin air with his radiant energy patents, only that the method/principle works. People may be over complicating it. "Wardenclyffe was supposed to provide the world with free energy" for example. Well not by extracting the energy out of thin air, I don't think even Tesla believed such a thing to be possible. However a generator at a waterfall would supply free energy that can then be transmitted. Very simple. No need to get clever and wonder how it's to be done with thin air. People forget that Tesla practically had access to unlimited amounts of free power.



there was a kid who insulated a large sheet of metal. Had a strong Massachusetts accent, and you could watch the cap charge quite rapidly. I forget which patent it was but it too worked and simply pulled radiant energy from what appears to be no where.


Foe Meyl I expect that the water is the ground plane and I am not sure if he did or did not have a single wire to it? I know certain people say he did not but none of the videos or lectures show it either way.

One huge advantage is symmetry and accuracy of the the windings. He has a whole list of experiments in the booklet he sends and several different coil configurations to make specific points to prove out teslas work. Its easy to dupe those boards. I think certain people lose sight that tesla did claim he would be able to transfer power not only within this planet but also other planets, what in fact is Meyl doing and is it fair to say he is not in accord with teslas work before examining what the devices do? ( I am betting most people that discredit his work, likes teslas have never tested it )

No kidding selling in the name of tesla is very popular now days.






Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 2:59:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
More strawmanning. I didn't say you didn't post citations, you cite the same youtube videos over and over and over again. The point was that they are not adequate proofs. Present a decent study from a reputable journal for a fucking change.



They make the point. If you dont get it that is not my problem. If I had 20 million to choose from they still make the fucking point! And you still dont get it!

You can take your little trip up da nile till hell fezzes over over for all I care, as I said and will continue to make the point:

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Do you see the cord running across the ground? Don't be so fuckin gullible. We've been thru the farsical part of that story earlier, and it is no more true pages later.

There was no picture of a 100v 100w lightbulb being lit ever on this thread.



so you think that is a cord 26 miles long? On his then waning budget? I sort of doubt it.

Sure I showed you that it is qa 110 volt 100 watt bulb and I showed you the 1/8th inch ++ arc too and the video.


here is the arc:

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0031.jpg[/image]


here is the rating;

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0032.jpg[/image]


Its even safe underwater;

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0021.jpg[/image]

here he holds it in his fingers and no shock

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I am so happy for you!

So you graduated with honors from UMass and you did a thesis on transmission.

Care to expound any more of that awesome education upon us?

I am sure you are the envy of the world about now.


Why? You don't listen when Three grown men tell you not to touch those wires.
You expect me to write you a term paper?
I was done with that 30 years ago.
Now put down those cables?





[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires00111.jpg[/image]



Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale



BUT I DONT GET A SHOCK EXPLAIN WHY Mr WIZARD?



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How about you ana ax whatever explain why there is not shock ZIPPO NADA when lighting a 110 volt 100 watt bulb and touching the electrodes?

More electromagnetic non mechanical voodoo maybe huh?




some people enjoy watching a fire in the fire place, but I would take that HV blue corona an yday over a fire.










Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 3:00:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Foe Meyl I expect that the water is the ground plane and I am not sure if he did or did not have a single wire to it? I know certain people say he did not but none of the videos or lectures show it either way.

So you had no clue what he was doing yet you repeatedly posted the video and stills from said video as evidence Tesla's technology works? And YOU accuse me of lacking integrity? [:D] [:D] [:D]




Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 3:04:28 PM)

Its funny how you copy and paste after denying my accusation of the same, just as you denied postulating ocnspiracy theories and then promptly proceeded to do so! [:D] [:D]
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
More strawmanning. I didn't say you didn't post citations, you cite the same youtube videos over and over and over again. The point was that they are not adequate proofs. Present a decent study from a reputable journal for a fucking change.

They make the point. If you dont get it that is not my problem. If I had 20 million to choose from they still make the fucking point! And you still dont get it!

It has been repeatedly explained to you that they do not constitute robust proof. if you had twenty million that would still be the case.

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You can take your little trip up da nile till hell fezzes over over for all I care, as I said and will continue to make the point:

Thats whats behind your copy and paste bullshit - just repeating everything til others get tired of replying. Well I'm going nowhere so roll on the next 21 pages anyhoo... [:D] [:D]




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 3:14:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Foe Meyl I expect that the water is the ground plane and I am not sure if he did or did not have a single wire to it? I know certain people say he did not but none of the videos or lectures show it either way.

So you had no clue what he was doing yet you repeatedly posted the video and stills from said video as evidence Tesla's technology works? And YOU accuse me of lacking integrity? [:D] [:D] [:D]



hardly.

I am leaving room for discussion and debate, thanks for another red herring. you simply dont get it




dRGreen420 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 4:34:44 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

Point taken but the issue is that the Tesla circuit is picking up overground waves rather than underground ones. Even a short piece of screened mains cable can act as an antenna to a power supply, thus polluting some sensitive circuits. If there was a way for you to eliminate the impact of RF than that would be good, perhaps with some effective screening.

I take your point albeit I wasn't the one who mentioned the wool. I was sincere when I said it would be nice if this technology worked so I'm really not trying to explain anything away. Rather its the conspiracism surrounding it all, and also the fact that Tesla's work has existed for at least 100 years and nothing has been robustly shown to work as of yet.

I wouldn't expect you to be skeptical as you're the one advocating in this case. I was more talking from my perspective, and to be honest its hard to accept that it is purely down to misunderstandings due to the passing of a lot of time, or even "gubbermint" suppression as our furry friend would say. Furthermore, the burden of proof is by necessity higher when challenging very well established science. Thus, I feel skepticism is justified but if people like yourself can make it work practically then that can only be for the better.

I thought Tesla did talk about free energy in the fullest sense of the word, hence J.P. Morgan was less than keen to continue with his funding of Wardenclyffe?


Yes I agree, everything will be properly set up for the final experiment with screening etc. However in operation it can be seen to be acting in resonance rather than as an antenna. The coil radiates the received signal from the top capacitance in the same way that normal Tesla coils radiate the high voltage at the top. This is where the detector is placed, to pick up the radiated and "magnified" radio signal. In other words it works exactly as one might expect based on the theory. One possible application would be as a passive relay/beacon allowing people to receive the radio station in remote areas or where radio signals can't normally reach. Any AM receivers placed around the coil receive the signal clearly. So curiosity has taken the place of scepticism. I understand your point, in reality talking about it will get us nowhere for the reasons you mentioned. The only way forward will have to be through experimentation and conclusive proof.

J P Morgan apparently pulled out because Tesla was intending to supply the energy for free, but that doesn't say anything about the energy source. What is known is that he invented the generators in use, and if powered by a river or a waterfall then the energy is totally free. So personally I think this is the most likely arrangement rather than some "wireless tower extracting energy out of the atmosphere" theory. However, at the same time there are "activities" going on in the earth, so if tuned properly then I see no reason why oscillatory resonance wouldn't apply to any incoming oscillations of whatever source they may be. But that's another matter and is just a theoretical idea of how it might work.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 4:39:07 PM)

well here you have it, demonstration after demonstration and all these back yard shit house self proclaimed college boy engineers and physicists on this board cant explain it!

All they can do is cry conspiracy theory!!! LOL

Then whine that they cant get anywhere in a debate about it.

Here is another guy using teslas hairpin to demonstrate that this is a different energy that was discovered and that the tesla tower could transmit wirelesslessly.



come on Mr Wizard explain this! Its a lousy transformer, couple shorted out rods, capacitors and a 110 volt 100 watt light bulb that does not give you a shock when you touch the wires.


could it be you dont know the answer? or even have a clue?



[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/Iamthegodofhellfire.gif[/image]


So hows einstein working out for you now?

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Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 4:50:34 PM)

the biggest difference as I see it is that the earth is a gigantic sphere shaped conductor. If you put something into one side it can be seen on all sides by comparison simply because you are causing a disturbance that transfers through solids. On the other hand radio wave radiation is the size of a mosquito by comparison so which disturbance will be felt on the opposite side of the earth? Surely by comparison not the microscopic mosquito flapping its wings in air versus thumping on the whole of the earth in resonance with it no less.




dRGreen420 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 5:02:59 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

there was a kid who insulated a large sheet of metal. Had a strong Massachusetts accent, and you could watch the cap charge quite rapidly. I forget which patent it was but it too worked and simply pulled radiant energy from what appears to be no where.

Foe Meyl I expect that the water is the ground plane and I am not sure if he did or did not have a single wire to it? I know certain people say he did not but none of the videos or lectures show it either way.

One huge advantage is symmetry and accuracy of the the windings. He has a whole list of experiments in the booklet he sends and several different coil configurations to make specific points to prove out teslas work. Its easy to dupe those boards. I think certain people lose sight that tesla did claim he would be able to transfer power not only within this planet but also other planets, what in fact is Meyl doing and is it fair to say he is not in accord with teslas work before examining what the devices do? ( I am betting most people that discredit his work, likes teslas have never tested it )

No kidding selling in the name of tesla is very popular now days.



Yes the radiant energy patents work, but not for significant amounts of power out of thin air. The key word being "significant". The only expectations or rumours of significant amounts that I'm aware of comes from other people on youtube etc. It's like playing Chinese whispers as far as I can see, which is the case with most understanding of Tesla. Youtube video maker listens to other youtube video maker and makes new video repeating the same thing, and so on. The evidence suggests that the same is happening with "official" TV documentaries, all following the same script.

I don't think Tesla once mentioned the word "scalar". Also his primary coil has 2 turns, with equal copper weight in the primary and secondary. In the words of Eric Dollard, Meyl's devices are toys. Maybe very nice and expensive toys for playing with, but not the real thing. In order to reproduce Tesla's work, it might help to begin by actually reproducing it [:)] Almost no one is able to demonstrate what Tesla did mainly because they are ignoring what he did, so there's no sense to it at all. They're not building the coils properly so all hope is lost before they even begin. I think they are dazzled by the lightning bolts, like the magician distracts from what's really going on. Focus on the lightning bolts, ignore the coil that produced it.

Anyway, I'm sure you can do some very cool things with Meyl's units, but the real thing is a finely tuned device. If you want to play a guitar then you need a guitar, not a violin. It will be somewhat similar, but it won't produce the desired effects.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 5:19:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: dRGreen420
Yes the radiant energy patents work, but not for significant amounts of power out of thin air. The key word being "significant". The only expectations or rumours of significant amounts that I'm aware of comes from other people on youtube etc. It's like playing Chinese whispers as far as I can see, which is the case with most understanding of Tesla. Youtube video maker listens to other youtube video maker and makes new video repeating the same thing, and so on. The evidence suggests that the same is happening with "official" TV documentaries, all following the same script.

I don't think Tesla once mentioned the word "scalar". Also his primary coil has 2 turns, with equal copper weight in the primary and secondary. In the words of Eric Dollard, Meyl's devices are toys. Maybe very nice and expensive toys for playing with, but not the real thing. In order to reproduce Tesla's work, it might help to begin by actually reproducing it [:)] Almost no one is able to demonstrate what Tesla did mainly because they are ignoring what he did, so there's no sense to it at all. They're not building the coils properly so all hope is lost before they even begin. I think they are dazzled by the lightning bolts, like the magician distracts from what's really going on. Focus on the lightning bolts, ignore the coil that produced it.

Anyway, I'm sure you can do some very cool things with Meyl's units, but the real thing is a finely tuned device. If you want to play a guitar then you need a guitar, not a violin. It will be somewhat similar, but it won't produce the desired effects.



right and I agree. meyl is using a flat coil rather than a can coil and has no resonant 3rd coil, several turn impulse coil so that will drastically change the results. All these things were modifications to improve the results seen with the flat coils. Actually you could add one to the meyl device.

It was my understanding that the only reason he built it, not only for his own experiments to prove out the unified theory and vortices but so schools can easily set them up for demonstrators.

The third coil adds another degree of complexity and series of hurdles to overcome in the system that I do not think are necessary to make the point.

the very kool thing of course is how the energy does not simply blast off into nowhere like radio, but can be completely transfered to the load, and that hertzian style radio absolutely cannot do under any circumstances.




dRGreen420 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 5:27:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

the biggest difference as I see it is that the earth is a gigantic sphere shaped conductor. If you put something into one side it can be seen on all sides by comparison simply because you are causing a disturbance that transfers through solids. On the other hand radio wave radiation is the size of a mosquito by comparison so which disturbance will be felt on the opposite side of the earth? Surely by comparison not the microscopic mosquito flapping its wings in air versus thumping on the whole of the earth in resonance with it no less.


I think you posted the diagram of the Telluric wave velocity a few pages back, which may compliment this

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Tesla

I mean that you have to have in the circuit, inertia. You have to have a large self-inductance in order that you may accomplish two things: First, a comparatively low frequency, which will reduce the radiation of the electromagnetic waves to a comparatively small value, and second, a great resonant effect. That is not possible in an antenna, for instance, of large capacity and small self-inductance. A large capacity and small self-inductance is the poorest kind of circuit which can be constructed; it gives a very small resonant effect. That was the reason why in my experiments in Colorado the energies were 1,000 times greater than in the present antennae.

Counsel

You say the energy was 1,000 times greater. Do you mean that the voltage was increased, or the current, or both?

Tesla

Yes [both]. To be more explicit, I take a very large self-inductance and a comparatively small capacity, which I have constructed in a certain way so that the electricity cannot leak out. I thus obtain a low frequency; but, as you know, the electromagnetic radiation is proportionate to the square root of the capacity divided by the self-induction. I do not permit the energy to go out; I accumulate in that circuit a tremendous energy. When the high potential is attained, if I want to give off electromagnetic waves, I do so, but I prefer to reduce those waves in quantity and pass a current into the earth, because electromagnetic wave energy is not recoverable while that [earth] current is entirely recoverable, being the energy stored in an elastic system.

Counsel

What elastic system do you refer to?

Tesla

I mean this: If you pass a current into a circuit with large self-induction, and no radiation takes place, and you have a low resistance, there is no possibility of this energy getting out into space; therefore, the impressed impulses accumulate.

Counsel

Let's see if I understand this correctly. If you have radiation or electromagnetic waves going from your system, the energy is wasted?

Tesla

Absolutely wasted. From my circuit you can get either electromagnetic waves, 90 percent of electromagnetic waves if you like, and 10 percent in the current energy that passes through the earth. Or, you can reverse the process and get 10 percent of the energy in electromagnetic waves and 90 percent in energy of the current that passes through the earth.

It is just like this: I have invented a knife. The knife can cut with the sharp edge. I tell the man who applies my invention, you must cut with the sharp edge. I know perfectly well you can cut butter with the blunt edge, but my knife is not intended for this. You must not make the antenna give off 90 percent in electromagnetic and 10 percent in current waves, because the electromagnetic waves are lost by the time you are a few arcs around the planet, while the current travels to the uttermost distance of the globe and can be recovered.

This view, by the way, is now confirmed. Note, for instance, the mathematical treatise of Sommerfeld,
  • who shows that my theory is correct, that I was right in my explanations of the phenomena, and that the profession was completely misled. This is the reason why these followers of mine in high frequency currents have made a mistake. They wanted to make high frequency alternators of 200,000 cycles with the idea that they would produce electromagnetic waves, 90 percent in electromagnetic waves and the rest in current energy. I only used low alternations, and I produced 90 percent in current energy and only 10 percent in electromagnetic waves, which are wasted, and that is why I got my results. . . .

    You see, the apparatus which I have devised was an apparatus enabling one to produce tremendous differences of potential and currents in an antenna circuit. These requirements must be fulfilled, whether you transmit by currents of conduction, or whether you transmit by electromagnetic waves. You want high potential currents, you want a great amount of vibratory energy; but you can graduate this vibratory energy. By proper design and choice of wave lengths, you can arrange it so that you get, for instance, 5 percent in these electromagnetic waves and 95 percent in the current that goes through the earth. That is what I am doing. Or you can get, as these radio men, 95 percent in the energy of electromagnetic waves and only 5 percent in the energy of the current. . . . The apparatus is suitable for one or the other method. I am not producing radiation with my system; I am suppressing electromagnetic waves. . . . In my system, you should free yourself of the idea that there is radiation, that the energy is radiated. It is not radiated; it is conserved. . . .




  • dRGreen420 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 5:39:02 PM)

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    ORIGINAL: Real0ne

    right and I agree. meyl is using a flat coil rather than a can coil and has no resonant 3rd coil, several turn impulse coil so that will drastically change the results. All these things were modifications to improve the results seen with the flat coils. Actually you could add one to the meyl device.

    It was my understanding that the only reason he built it, not only for his own experiments to prove out the unified theory and vortices but so schools can easily set them up for demonstrators.

    The third coil adds another degree of complexity and series of hurdles to overcome in the system that I do not think are necessary to make the point.

    the very kool thing of course is how the energy does not simply blast off into nowhere like radio, but can be completely transfered to the load, and that hertzian style radio absolutely cannot do under any circumstances.


    Flat spiral coils are suitable, and an extra coil can be added to it. The flat spirals are suited for transmission of "signals", and the 3 coil arrangement suitable for power transmission. I think this is mainly due to an engineering problem. To get the same frequency a flat spiral would need to be massive, so not practical for constructing and making adjustments etc. I think the extra coil was employed to try and reproduce the effects with the solenoid coil as were produced by the flat spiral. Note the inner turns of a spiral are a smaller diameter and are further from the primary allowing what he called resonant rise. The extra coil is similarly a "resonating coil".

    I think the main problem with Meyl's devices is also what makes them nice, the fact it's a PCB. Laying flat on a solid surface reduces its operating velocity.




    Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 7:17:00 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Real0ne
    well here you have it, demonstration after demonstration and all these back yard shit house self proclaimed college boy engineers and physicists on this board cant explain it!

    All they can do is cry conspiracy theory!!! LOL

    More strawmanning. You were the one to bring up conspiracism on this thread first. Furthermore, the conspiracism is quite separate to the tests so that is more of your bullshit. Neither do the videos do not constitute proper demonstrations. I hope your friend here will be going to the Royal Society forthwith to perform the tests under scientific standards.

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    Then whine that they cant get anywhere in a debate about it.

    You are the one who has been whinging and bitching at me with personal tittle-tattle when I was talking to Greeny. Truth is you can't handle a bit of disagreement. Boo fucking hoo!

    quote:


    So hows einstein working out for you now?

    Just fine thanks, he contributed a great deal to science and to the understanding universe.




    Anaxagoras -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (6/16/2012 7:48:07 PM)

    quote:

    ORIGINAL: dRGreen420
    quote:

    ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
    Point taken but the issue is that the Tesla circuit is picking up overground waves rather than underground ones. Even a short piece of screened mains cable can act as an antenna to a power supply, thus polluting some sensitive circuits. If there was a way for you to eliminate the impact of RF than that would be good, perhaps with some effective screening.

    I take your point albeit I wasn't the one who mentioned the wool. I was sincere when I said it would be nice if this technology worked so I'm really not trying to explain anything away. Rather its the conspiracism surrounding it all, and also the fact that Tesla's work has existed for at least 100 years and nothing has been robustly shown to work as of yet.

    I wouldn't expect you to be skeptical as you're the one advocating in this case. I was more talking from my perspective, and to be honest its hard to accept that it is purely down to misunderstandings due to the passing of a lot of time, or even "gubbermint" suppression as our furry friend would say. Furthermore, the burden of proof is by necessity higher when challenging very well established science. Thus, I feel skepticism is justified but if people like yourself can make it work practically then that can only be for the better.

    I thought Tesla did talk about free energy in the fullest sense of the word, hence J.P. Morgan was less than keen to continue with his funding of Wardenclyffe?

    Yes I agree, everything will be properly set up for the final experiment with screening etc. However in operation it can be seen to be acting in resonance rather than as an antenna. The coil radiates the received signal from the top capacitance in the same way that normal Tesla coils radiate the high voltage at the top. This is where the detector is placed, to pick up the radiated and "magnified" radio signal. In other words it works exactly as one might expect based on the theory. One possible application would be as a passive relay/beacon allowing people to receive the radio station in remote areas or where radio signals can't normally reach. Any AM receivers placed around the coil receive the signal clearly. So curiosity has taken the place of scepticism. I understand your point, in reality talking about it will get us nowhere for the reasons you mentioned. The only way forward will have to be through experimentation and conclusive proof.

    Interesting point re. it fitting in with theory but I think you shouldn't rule out the possibility that a high intensity resonant circuit could be the sensitive enough to pull in a reasonable signal from the RF in a room. When postulating a theory to explain an unexpected phenomenon other explanations need to be ruled out as well.

    quote:

    J P Morgan apparently pulled out because Tesla was intending to supply the energy for free, but that doesn't say anything about the energy source. What is known is that he invented the generators in use, and if powered by a river or a waterfall then the energy is totally free. So personally I think this is the most likely arrangement rather than some "wireless tower extracting energy out of the atmosphere" theory.

    I wouldn't think so because generating dams, which had been around for about a quarter of a century by the time Morgan pulled out, are used for conventional energy generation anyway, and cannot be truly regarded as free because they require an immense amount of (private) investment so Tesla seems to have been specifically referring to free energy.




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