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Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 8:34:26 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53
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I showed that it is qa 110 volt 100 watt bulb and I showed you the 1/8th inch ++ arc too and the video.


HERE IS THE 1/8TH INCH ARC:

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0031.jpg[/image]


here is the rating;

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0032.jpg[/image]


Its even safe underwater;

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0021.jpg[/image]

here he holds it in his fingers and no shock

Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale



BUT I DONT GET A SHOCK EXPLAIN WHY Mr WIZARD?



[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0011.jpg[/image]


there is no shock ZIPPO NADA when lighting a 110 volt 100 watt bulb and touching the electrodes?

More electromagnetic non mechanical voodoo maybe huh?




My qualifications to answer this come from 40 years of working on live electrical equipment , most of it either 415v 240v or 110v.

In the pictures you posted the guy is never the least past of resistence. If you look at the photo, the lamp is always connected to the wires, so the voltage takes the easiest path, which is down the copper.

It is also possible to touch a live terminal provided you are sufficiently earthed, although the higher the voltage the riskier this is. If you are working on a wooden ladder, ot standing on an insulated block (dry wood, rubber mat) you wont get a shock UNLESS you touch both live and earth/neutral terminal at the same time.





For the fingers across the halogen bulb it is taking the easiest path, that is true, however its the current not the voltage. Voltage is only the potential or pressure as the old timers put it.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/tesla-hairpin-04-18433.jpg[/image]


now in the video however you can see it dim considerably when he grabs it which goes without saying that he also is acting as the circuit but gets no shock.

Next you would not dare stick your hands in water like he did with convention ac power because you will get zaped.

Next there is that really nagging problem in the hairpin that it is shorted and the light bulbs are connected across a dead short and they light.

I reposted th epics so you can see the top one he is holding an 1/8th inch arc to the right terminal of the bulb.

The print does not show the voltage but that is a furnace transformer running between 10 - 15,000 volts into the hairpin.

Sort of throws a wrench into conventional electricity taught in school and it works and frankly works very well and consumes from "their" tests considerably less energy to light the same bulb. Tesla of course was known for being a perfectionist and perfecting everything he did so no one else could do an end=run around his patents lol




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 8:41:08 AM)

the dimming is due to resistance.  nothing magical.  he does not get shocked because he is not the path of least resistance, since he is insulated, nothing magical.

See and try to understand Polites clear explanation.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:05:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

the dimming is due to resistance.  nothing magical.  he does not get shocked because he is not the path of least resistance, since he is insulated, nothing magical.

See and try to understand Polites clear explanation.



you didnt understand one word I said to him LOL

I know send dark steven a note on the other side (I believe he has an electrical background) maybe he will be kind enough to teach you fundamental conventional basic electricity

if what you said applied then neither should the light bulb light. [8|] yawn




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:06:50 AM)

there is nothing to understand within gibberish.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:09:16 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

there is nothing to understand within gibberish.



thats usually the way it seems when you are completely out of your league

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/ae_neuman0007b.jpg[/image]




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:13:13 AM)

and you show us that every day.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:18:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and you show us that every day.



fine mr wizard then explain why the fuckin bulb lights since the least resistance is through the dead short

I will die of old age before you even get a clue whats going on here.






fluffypet67 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:32:48 AM)

Why is this thread still complaining about gas prices?
Here is a chart of inflation adjusted gas prices from 1919 - 2011.


[image]local://upfiles/1380784/2802EBBA24494EF7BE20980F2E22A53E.jpg[/image]




mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 9:39:54 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and you show us that every day.



fine mr wizard then explain why the fuckin bulb lights since the least resistance is through the dead short

I will die of old age before you even get a clue whats going on here.





because the fuckin lightbulb is the dead fuckin short.   when you get a clue the universe will have ceased to exist. 




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 11:48:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fluffypet67

Why is this thread still complaining about gas prices?
Here is a chart of inflation adjusted gas prices from 1919 - 2011.


[image]local://upfiles/1380784/2802EBBA24494EF7BE20980F2E22A53E.jpg[/image]



just goes to show you how the data can completely lie to you doesnt it? When I was a young kid making min wage I filled my 18 gallon tank up for 2 hours labor.

Today someone on min wage is working 10 hours to do the same thing.

Funny how these charts completely falsify reality aint it?


That and the point of the OP is that tesla invented a means of transmission of power that tops the charts for simplicity with literally ZERO MAINTENANCE (build it set it up and walk away) and it sucks electricity from an inexhaustible source round the clock and it is wireless no less so you can stick an antenna on your car and power it like the boat

look mom no on board power source!





Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 12:06:25 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne


quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

and you show us that every day.



fine mr wizard then explain why the fuckin bulb lights since the least resistance is through the dead short

I will die of old age before you even get a clue whats going on here.





because the fuckin lightbulb is the dead fuckin short.   when you get a clue the universe will have ceased to exist. 


for fuck sake already

the resistance is 120x120/100 and that is not 0




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/11/2012 8:24:44 PM)

What tesla was saying and what had been pretty much a foregone conclusion back then is that there are neutral particles much smaller than hydrogen.

This was demonstrated when they threw the switch on these super high voltage dc lines and you would see what looked like a spiked dog collar of purple/blue spikes around the wire until the current actually began to flow and you would feel the particles prickling your face, that is even far enough away that you were out of range of any possible arcing people claimed it hurt when they hit you. Tesla concluded from that and other data that this was not caused by electrons.

So he was off to create inventions that set out to reduce the flow of electrons.

He has many inventions that lead up to the TMT that a few people claim does not work, (incorrectly however), because they have no understanding how to works.

In fact they do not believe the earth conducts well enough despite the fact they used the earth as a source of power for the old telegraph stations.

quote:

However, in the process of installing long telegraph wires, engineers discovered that there were electrical potential differences between most pairs of telegraph stations, resulting from natural electrical currents (called telluric currents[3]) flowing through the ground. Some early experimenters did recognize that these currents were, in fact, partly responsible for extending the earth batteries' high outputs and long lifetimes. Later, experimenters would utilize these currents alone and, in these systems, the plates became polarized.

It had been long known that continuous electric currents flowed through the solid and liquid portions of the Earth,[4] and the collection of current from an electrically conductive medium in the absence of electrochemical changes (and in the absence of a thermoelectric junction) was established by Lord Kelvin.[5][6] Lord Kelvin's "sea battery" was not a chemical battery.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_battery


they non the less snark at the fact that tesla used the earth the same way one would use a steel ball.

and it works [:D]




thishereboi -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/12/2012 6:30:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: fluffypet67

Why is this thread still complaining about gas prices?
Here is a chart of inflation adjusted gas prices from 1919 - 2011.


[image]local://upfiles/1380784/2802EBBA24494EF7BE20980F2E22A53E.jpg[/image]



Maybe because they keep going up?




Politesub53 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/12/2012 11:38:38 AM)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD8OkbumcY0


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In fact they do not believe the earth conducts well enough despite the fact they used the earth as a source of power for the old telegraph stations.


Bullshit x 2 = more bullshit, but bullshit none the less. Your last comment is laughable.

You really dont have a clue how electricity works, as shown by your reply to my previous post.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/12/2012 11:56:54 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53
quote:


I showed that it is qa 110 volt 100 watt bulb and I showed you the 1/8th inch ++ arc too and the video.


HERE IS THE 1/8TH INCH ARC:

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0031.jpg[/image]


here is the rating;

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0032.jpg[/image]


Its even safe underwater;

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0021.jpg[/image]

here he holds it in his fingers and no shock

Light, The Tesla Way-01 - TMT 72.4 Scale



BUT I DONT GET A SHOCK EXPLAIN WHY Mr WIZARD?



[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/barewires0011.jpg[/image]


there is no shock ZIPPO NADA when lighting a 110 volt 100 watt bulb and touching the electrodes?

More electromagnetic non mechanical voodoo maybe huh?




My qualifications to answer this come from 40 years of working on live electrical equipment , most of it either 415v 240v or 110v.

In the pictures you posted the guy is never the least past of resistence. If you look at the photo, the lamp is always connected to the wires, so the voltage takes the easiest path, which is down the copper.

It is also possible to touch a live terminal provided you are sufficiently earthed, although the higher the voltage the riskier this is. If you are working on a wooden ladder, ot standing on an insulated block (dry wood, rubber mat) you wont get a shock UNLESS you touch both live and earth/neutral terminal at the same time.





For the fingers across the halogen bulb it is taking the easiest path, that is true, however its the current not the voltage. Voltage is only the potential or pressure as the old timers put it.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/TESLA/tesla-hairpin-04-18433.jpg[/image]


now in the video however you can see it dim considerably when he grabs it which goes without saying that he also is acting as the circuit but gets no shock.

Next you would not dare stick your hands in water like he did with convention ac power because you will get zaped.

Next there is that really nagging problem in the hairpin that it is shorted and the light bulbs are connected across a dead short and they light.

I reposted th epics so you can see the top one he is holding an 1/8th inch arc to the right terminal of the bulb.

The print does not show the voltage but that is a furnace transformer running between 10 - 15,000 volts into the hairpin.

Sort of throws a wrench into conventional electricity taught in school and it works and frankly works very well and consumes from "their" tests considerably less energy to light the same bulb. Tesla of course was known for being a perfectionist and perfecting everything he did so no one else could do an end=run around his patents lol




people sometimes accuse me of setting them up to fail and I have no reason to do that, they set themselves up for me.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

quote:



How about you ana ax whatever explain why there is not shock ZIPPO NADA when lighting a 110 volt 100 watt bulb and touching the electrodes?

More electromagnetic non mechanical voodoo maybe huh?


My qualifications to answer this come from 40 years of working on live electrical equipment , most of it either 415v 240v or 110v.





you BRAG about your qualifications, which only proves that you are clueless about the topic and know next to nothing about electricity.

Just because you are a lineman notwithstanding.

I showed you the schematic and gave you a full description and CHILDREN for fuck sake are building these devices in their mommy and daddies basements and you cant even respond with anything beyond DUH proving the vacancy in our schools and work places of today. thank you very much.

oh and BTW, B2 is a shorting bar on the schematic, I presume you cant read that either, and the resistance that I gave ron the answer for is voltage squared divided by the power in this case the operating wattage. it is NOT a short as he claimed. The question is do you know how to use a calculator for sinmple division?








Politesub53 -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/12/2012 12:43:14 PM)

You still dont get it and are twisting Rons point. He is talking of the resistance through the lamp, as against the resistance through the skin. That isnt a dead short but it is the path of least resistance, which is what he was getting at. Thats quite clear if you look at the order in which the posts were made.

When, in the experiment, a dead short is introduced, the light does indeed dim as the short now becomes the past of least resistance. He doesnt get a shock when his hand is in the water, unless he is grounded, something your "expert video" doesnt show.

Regards the dead short across the top of the diagram shown above. Try reading about voltage drop, thats to do with the overall length of a circuit, the diagram shows the voltage has to travel much further along the copper rod to complete the circuit than going via the lamp. If the resistance of the circuit is higher than the resistance of the lamp, the lamp will light first. If you move the short down the rods, the resistance will be reduced until a point is reached when the lamp does not light.

I gleefully await a credible explaination of how earth is used as a source of electrical power (as against being used as neutral)

Must dash, I am off to push some sodium lamps in the soil to light up the closing ceremony for the Olympics. [8|]





mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/13/2012 6:26:38 AM)

Pull up the ground rods, chisel out the neutral bars from the switchgear (usually Square D or Cutler-Hammer here in the colonies), remove the kearney's (Polite: thats a common name here for ground rod clamps and ground wire clamps, much like we call an ajustable spanner a cresent wrench) who you gonna believe, the R0 magic picture show without full evidence simply youtube bullshit, or your lying eyes and physics? 




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/15/2012 9:33:51 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Politesub53

You still dont get it and are twisting Rons point. He is talking of the resistance through the lamp, as against the resistance through the skin. That isnt a dead short but it is the path of least resistance, which is what he was getting at. Thats quite clear if you look at the order in which the posts were made.

When, in the experiment, a dead short is introduced, the light does indeed dim as the short now becomes the past of least resistance. He doesnt get a shock when his hand is in the water, unless he is grounded, something your "expert video" doesnt show.

Regards the dead short across the top of the diagram shown above. Try reading about voltage drop, thats to do with the overall length of a circuit, the diagram shows the voltage has to travel much further along the copper rod to complete the circuit than going via the lamp. If the resistance of the circuit is higher than the resistance of the lamp, the lamp will light first. If you move the short down the rods, the resistance will be reduced until a point is reached when the lamp does not light.

I gleefully await a credible explaination of how earth is used as a source of electrical power (as against being used as neutral)

Must dash, I am off to push some sodium lamps in the soil to light up the closing ceremony for the Olympics. [8|]





ron didnt make any points. Get the point?


Tesla no shock hair pin demonstrated with audience participation


Now I will hold off asking you too many embarrassing questions until you get a chance to see this video.


For the skin effect, the input frequency is 60 cycle mains here in america.

Until then think about the resistance in a 1 foot of 3/8" copper tubing, and here you can see that the bulb only dims with a dead short across the input terminals, you can also see that a 100 watt incandescent light woorks at full brightness in "series" with a fluorescent tube which you know or should know cannot be done with conventional electricity theory.

He explains what is required to do this and he grabs with both hands the same section of rods used to light the 100 watt bulbs.


heh heh [image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/stuff/thinking-1376.gif[/image]








mnottertail -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/15/2012 10:03:58 AM)

as he said as he strung it,  and repeatedly; it is a 12 v lightbulb, and the fluorescent tube, let me repeat that because it bears repeating, the fluourscent tube  by the very nature of of definitions and physics and everything is not incandescent.   So, we are at 12v or less and so I don't know what could be embarrassing about that, gotta tell you, 12v in water and grabbing outside the voltage drop with shoes insulating and whatever else is on the floor to circumvent the ground isn't going to be anything that we should ooh and ahh over,  or shit our pants over, or be mystified by.

perhaps you need to investigate fundamental relationships, watts, ohms, voltage, resistance, amperage, and electricity itself.




Real0ne -> RE: So who is sick of high gas prices? (8/15/2012 11:32:52 AM)


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ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I don't know what could be embarrassing about that, gotta tell you

perhaps you need to investigate fundamental relationships, watts, ohms, voltage, resistance, amperage, and electricity itself.



your explanation of how it works :)




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