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care to quote it

It's a difference of scale.

Just you, sitting in your make-shift lab, yes, DC is more efficient. But once we start transporting that power--including through the air--AC wins out, especially when high loads are needed.

Nicola Tesla; "Alternating Current will allow the transmission of electrical power to any point on the
planet, either through wires or through the air, as I have demonstrated."
Thomas Edison; "Transmission of AC over long distances requires lethally high voltages, and should be
outlawed. To allow Tesla and Westinghouse to proceed with their proposals is to risk untold deaths by
electricide."

Tesla; "How will DC power a 1,000 horsepower electric motor as well as a single light bulb? With AC,
the largest as well as the smallest load may be driven from the same line."
Edison; "The most efficient and proper electrical supply for every type of device from the light bulb to
the phonograph is Direct Current at low voltage."

Tesla; "A few large AC generating plants, such as my hydroelectric station at Niagara Falls, are all you
need: from these, power can be distributed easily wherever it is required."
Edison; "Small DC generating plants, as many as are required, should be built according to local needs,
after the model of my power station in New York City."

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
yep still posting yourself and the incorrect statement that ac is more efficient than dc.

go ahead and see if you can find anything other than your horse manure opinion.

you wont it dont exist.

I told you ac is NOT more efficient than dc.

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Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
It's a difference of scale.

Just you, sitting in your make-shift lab, yes, DC is more efficient. But once we start transporting that power--including through the air--AC wins out, especially when high loads are needed.

Nicola Tesla; "Alternating Current will allow the transmission of electrical power to any point on the
planet, either through wires or through the air, as I have demonstrated."
Thomas Edison; "Transmission of AC over long distances requires lethally high voltages, and should be
outlawed. To allow Tesla and Westinghouse to proceed with their proposals is to risk untold deaths by
electricide."

Tesla; "How will DC power a 1,000 horsepower electric motor as well as a single light bulb? With AC,
the largest as well as the smallest load may be driven from the same line."
Edison; "The most efficient and proper electrical supply for every type of device from the light bulb to
the phonograph is Direct Current at low voltage."

Tesla; "A few large AC generating plants, such as my hydroelectric station at Niagara Falls, are all you
need: from these, power can be distributed easily wherever it is required."
Edison; "Small DC generating plants, as many as are required, should be built according to local needs,
after the model of my power station in New York City."

yeh its easy to derive the wrong impression of what is being said. for all intents and purposes for this discussion the eff is the same. what is being said there is that teslas is more practical. edisons would have been a nitemare.

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His skills of persuasion must be impressive!

I was talking about the mad man of Minnesota... Ron...'s got a petting zoo and his driveway...
[:D]

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Would you really want to pet him?

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ORIGINAL: Moonhead
Ah, I see. Not quite as out of place as Gollum in a porn magazine, then...

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

But we wait for the working (oh shit!!!!) steel wheeled tesla car. So far we have meaningless scribbles without blueprints of any sort of device relevant to a tesla car, aimless meeching about gravity and time and space unpublished, several mocked up photos and youtubes of different things lighting lightbulbs and no real credible data on lowering gas prices or raising gas mileage, although I will admit that once old zero in there did post a youtube video of one of these tesla resonance devices demonstration in which they really had trouble getting it to work at all, and it was plugged into the wall outlet (which I suspect was some kind of inside joke) and thats about it.

Now, gas prices seem to be lowering, not sure if it is because (but suspect strongly) that it is an election year,.coupled with the crippled economy that is seeing less walkabouts...

Whatever happened to those 200 mpg carburators and I remember Smokey from popular mechanics was building a 200 mpg car out of a stock model and I dont think he ever finished the series......

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Prof. Dr-Ing. Meyl
meyl

Prof. Dr.-Ing Konstantin Meyl teaches the subjects power electronics and alternative energy technology at the University of Applied Sciences in Furtwangen.
Being a 15-year-old pupil he already carried out the first measurements on eddy current brakes. His dissertation at the Technical University of Munich (1979), as well as his doctoral theses at the University of Stuttgart (1984) were dedicated to the three-dimensional calculation of eddy current.
As development leader and licenser of the company Bauknecht AG (ATB) he relocated to the Black Forest to the Technologie Zentrum ("technology center") of St. Georgen where he has conducted a transfer center of the Steinbeis Stiftung (?Steinbeis foundation)? for economic promotion of Baden-Württemberg since 1988 until March, 2003.
Since April 2003 the 1th transfer center for scalar waves is being perpetuated without interruption with the same employees in the identic spaces of the technology center, but without the Steinbeis foundation.
After he had adopted a professorship (1986) in the nearest academy, Prof. Meyl could turn again to the research of electromagnetic field eddies. The discovery of the potential vortex which occurred at the desk and not in the lab in the night of the 1.1.1990 brought the desired success. The books with the title ?Potentialwirbel? volume 1 (1990) and volume 2 (1992) have been awarded in 1994 with the technology price of the German society of EMV technology. The award handover took place in Munich in the course of the exhibition Electronica. The award prooves the importance of the theory for the sector of the EMC.
Motivated by the positive appraisal in a subarea, in which potential vortex affect Prof. Meyl initially aborted the book's sequence and devised a lecture with the header "Elektromagnetische Umweltverträglichkeit" (electromagnetic environmental compatibility) which used to be offered since 1995. Therefore, several scrips, adressing most different niches affected by potential vortex came out and constitute today's most comprehensive comprisal pertaining to this area.
The so originated row of books with the title: "Elektromagnetische Umweltverträglichkeit" (electromagnetic environmental compatibility) includes:

Part 1 (1996) concerns the lecture about the basic principles from vortex up to the theory of objectivity. It contains the complete contents of all books about potential vortex including the non-published band 3.

Part 2 (1998) gives suggestions for the discussion in the seminar which concerns about the energytechnical aspect of scalar waves. It treats free energy and interaction of neutrinos.

Part 3, which discusses the facet of data and communication.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
The only problem that you have is that your mother failed to spank youtwice a day to your present age.

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Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system. Thats partly why it won out.

If you want to split hairs on efficiency the present day tesla AC system is less efficient in the transmission of electricity.

It is well known that edisons DC is in fact more efficient in the transmission of electricity in the manner in which he planned to use it which amounts to low voltage big conductors short runs and would have virtually resulted in a generator in every house.

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Then after I started pounding on your face you moved the goal posts and morphed your position to combine practical with efficient:

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
with some practical innovations of his own which allowed his system of AC to succeed over the less efficient DC system.

Which under more congenial circumstances I suppose I would have given you a gold star for correcting at least 1/2 of YOUR ERROR which I let slide even though I was being attacked by complete jackassed bullshit.

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Obviously not you


Its sort of funny frankly that you naysayers have this need to be beaten into hamburger before you recognize the concepts and benefits of such things and the below link is without tesla technology.


Proof of concept E v G

"if you compare the energy required to drive a mile [the electric car] with a prius its about 3 times better."

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Obviously not you

Its sort of funny frankly that you naysayers have this need to be beaten into hamburger before you recognize the concepts and benefits of such things and the below link is without tesla technology.

Proof of concept E v G

"if you compare the energy required to drive a mile [the electric car] with a prius its about 3 times better."

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Abstract—In the fall of 2000, several talks were delivered by K. Meyl. These talks described his theory of so-called Tesla’s scalar waves (e.g., in Meyl [“Scalar Waves…” (2000) and “Longitudinalwellen-Experiment…” (2000)], and on his Web site). In the following article, we shall mainly discuss the theoretical part of these publications, although the experimental part would deserve a detailed discussion in its own right. The scalar wave, according to Meyl, is an irrotational electric vector solution E of the homogeneous wave
equation having non-vanishing sources. However, and this is Meyl’s logical flaw, it is not the homogeneous wave equation but Maxwell’s equations that are the actual starting point of any theory of electromagnetic waves. And, as will be seen see in Section 1, the homogeneous wave equation is valid only in vacuum and in its natural generalization, in homogeneous materials without free charges and currents, while in other cases the inhomogeneous wave equation would apply. So in Section 2, our next immediate result is that
Meyl’s source conditions are inconsistent with the material properties. Hence, we have to assume the vector field E to be source free. But— as will be shown further for this case—Maxwell’s equations do not admit other than trivial scalar waves of the Meyl type, since only time- independent solutions are admissible. Under those conditions, the only permissible conclusion is that Meyl’s scalar waves do not exist. At the end of his talks (Meyl, “Scalar Waves…” [2000] and “Longitudinalwellen-Experiment…” [2000]), Meyl makes another remarkable assertion, which we shall discuss in Section 3. Meyl claims to have generated ‘vortex’ solutions that propagate faster than light. But for solutions of the homogeneous wave equation, this would clearly contradict a well-known theorem of the mathematical theory of the wave equation. In addition, Meyl’s proof for his claim will turn out to be a simple flaw of thinking.

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with some practical innovations of his own which allowed his system of AC to succeed over the less efficient DC system.

Which under more congenial circumstances I suppose I would have given you a gold star for correcting at least 1/2 of YOUR ERROR which I let slide even though I was being attacked by complete jackassed bullshit.

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The experiments were explained by static electricity as is very fucking well known.

Which is an area we can certainly pursue next and pound yet another wooden stake in your black heart since static electricity is not known to be tellurric. OOps did I let the cat otta the bag, sorry.

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Neither do they indicate such a thing as free energy or long distance energy transmission, when you dishonestly try to make out that they do.

and last time I checked you pay NOTHING for the sunlight that keeps you and this planet warm, which is unequivocally free, again showing your dishonesty regarding energy.

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In this context, the term "free energy" is not well-defined, and should not be confused with thermodynamic free energy. Generally, it is used to refer to purported transformative technologies which have the potential to dramatically reduce personal energy costs with relatively little capital investment.

There have been numerous free energy claims over the years.[1] Many, such as those implying perpetual motion or those based on extracting zero-point energy, are viewed as impossible according to accepted physical laws.[2] Others, such as cold fusion, while not fundamentally impossible, are not accepted as established by the scientific community. Conspiracy advocates therefore claim that the scientific community has controlled and suppressed research into alternative avenues of energy production via the institutions of peer review.[3]

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
You were claiming there is such a way of creating free energy from no source.

Then you tell a complete bold faced lie by claiming something I would never claim in the terms you use it and of course you do not quote it so everyone can see your dishonesty first hand when there is NO SUCH THING as free energy in the terms you just stated and I never stated or implied such a thing.

That is purely a creation and demonstration of your fertile dishonesty.

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couple hundred watts and a coil the size of a beer keg and I could talk to all my jolly ole friends in the uk at pennies per day 24/7 no weather interference or loss of signal ever. Of course governments are not real happy about people talking to each other for nearly free across the world especially when they are getting lined up for a wold war.

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Then the icing on the cake as if a little dishonesty is not enough, AFTER I POINT OUT THE HARD LINE DISTINCTION to MM in my above post between "practical" and "efficient" stating that it is PRACTICAL and the present AC system has nothing to do with TRANSMISSION EFFICIENCY over Edison you move your goal posts once again and claim you were right all along.

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the AC system allowed the use of high voltage transmission while Edison's DC system did not. High voltage, low current transmission allowed far smaller conductors to be used for a given level of power. Moreover, DC was limited in its application for industrial use and required far more stations to generate power over shorter distances.

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
No R0 it isn't easy to derive the wrong impression of what is being said as neither sounds like they're saying AC or DC signals are implicitly more efficient than the other. Its clearly an issue of practicality, and efficiency of application.

and before you piss your pants again and move those goal posts and expand your definitions to include the whole fucking universe, YOU SAID:

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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Its very well known Tesla's AC system was more efficient at the transmission of electricity than the competing DC system. Thats partly why it won out.

WRONG

Edison's system required small generating plants every one to two miles, and copper wiring at a substantially larger scale than the high voltage, low current system of Tesla's.
Did not make TRANSMISSION more efficient. The tower does that.
The fact you misunderstood such a basic point made over several pages shows you didn't even know the basics about Tesla's AC.

Either way its not to see you admit your error

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you claim I have a predisposition to asses generally and that is not the case. Just certain asses.

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Here you are again about this telluric transmitter nonsense. I showed with a number of quotes including one from Tesla himself, that the power is transmitted into the atmosphere.

And the first issue in the car, by which I want a limit of a 16 foot antennae, his would be miles high.....