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servantforuse -> Time Magazine (5/14/2012 11:20:40 AM)

What are they trying to do ? Do they really think that saying he is the 1st gay president will help him win in November ?




Musicmystery -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 11:27:48 AM)

How is he "the first gay president"?

He certainly IS the first president to take this stance, and that's a news worthy event, at least according to Time.

That's what they're "trying to do."





Kirata -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 11:45:08 AM)


What I think is particularly odd is how they spelled "Time".

[image]http://www.hinews.cn/pic/0/13/05/56/13055619_302882.jpg[/image]

K.




servantforuse -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 12:04:57 PM)

I had the liberal magazines mixed up. It was Newsweek. Same question though. Calling Obama the 1st gay president will do more to hurt him than help him in my opinion..Odd story this close to an election.




Hillwilliam -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 12:06:28 PM)

What's the Right doing avoiding the self evident truth that:


IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID!!




mnottertail -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 12:10:00 PM)

And some of you guys were saying that the right ain't homophobic cuz they took the name teabaggers.

Oh, you leftists are some real jokers you are. 




servantforuse -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 12:11:10 PM)

Good question. I would be talking about Obama's failed economic record non stop.




Musicmystery -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 12:11:26 PM)

quote:

Calling Obama the 1st gay president will do more to hurt him than help him in my opinion.


Not according to this Republican pollster:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/may/12/republican-pollster-gop-same-sex-marriage?newsfeed=true

Here's the memo's text and the talking points:

Background: In view of this week’s news on the same sex marriage issue, here is a summary of recent survey findings on same sex marriage:

1. Support for same sex marriage has been growing and in the last few years support has grown at an accelerated rate with no sign of slowing down. A review of public polling shows that up to 2009 support for gay marriage increased at a rate of 1% a year. Starting in 2010 the change in the level of support accelerated to 5% a year. The most recent public polling shows supporters of gay marriage outnumber opponents by a margin of roughly 10% (for instance: NBC / WSJ poll in February / March: support 49%, oppose 40%).

2. The increase in support is taking place among all partisan groups. While more Democrats support gay marriage than Republicans, support levels among Republicans are increasing over time. The same is true of age: younger people support same sex marriage more often than older people, but the trends show that all age groups are rethinking their position.

3. Polling conducted among Republicans show that majorities of Republicans and Republican leaning voters support extending basic legal protections to gays and lesbians. These include majority Republican support for:

Protecting gays and lesbians against being fired for reasons of sexual orientation
Protections against bullying and harassment
Repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
Right to visit partners in hospitals
Protecting partners against loss of home in case of severe medical emergencies or death
Legal protection in some form for gay couples whether it be same sex marriage or domestic partnership (only 29% of Republicans oppose legal recognition in any form).

Recommendation: A statement reflecting recent developments on this issue along the following lines:

“People who believe in equality under the law as a fundamental principle, as I do, will agree that this principle extends to gay and lesbian couples; gay and lesbian couples should not face discrimination and their relationship should be protected under the law. People who disagree on the fundamental nature of marriage can agree, at the same time, that gays and lesbians should receive essential rights and protections such as hospital visitation, adoption rights, and health and death benefits.

Other thoughts / Q&A:

Follow up to questions about affirmative action: “This is not about giving anyone extra protections or privileges, this is about making sure that everyone – regardless of sexual orientation – is provided the same protections against discrimination that you and I enjoy.”

Why public attitudes might be changing: “As more people have become aware of friends and family members who are gay, attitudes have begun to shift at an accelerated pace. This is not about a generational shift in attitudes, this is about people changing their thinking as they recognize their friends and family members who are gay or lesbian.”

Conservative fundamentals: “As people who promote personal responsibility, family values, commitment and stability, and emphasize freedom and limited government we have to recognize that freedom means freedom for everyone. This includes the freedom to decide how you live and to enter into relationships of your choosing, the freedom to live without excessive interference of the regulatory force of government.


Read more: http://www.towleroad.com/#ixzz1ugZAwiKA




Hillwilliam -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 12:19:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

Good question. I would be talking about Obama's failed economic record non stop.

Seriously, why do you think that the Republican mouthpieces seem to be avoiding talk about the economy like a bad case of the clap?




Aylee -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 1:01:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

How is he "the first gay president"?



Clinton was "the first black president." I think that it is the same logic.




Anaxagoras -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 1:39:32 PM)

F.R.

I feel sorry for poor Michelle. It'll be hard to explain that one to their youngest. [8D]




SternSkipper -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 1:48:34 PM)

quote:

What are they trying to do ? Do they really think that saying he is the 1st gay president will help him win in November ?


Actually, considering that Time and Newsweek have a history of being less than flattering to Democratic Presidents in election years, I'll just go with ....
.....What The Fuck Are You talking About???

I find it remarkable that IN FACT, history is being made and people are ignorant to pile on their bigoted sentiments instead either acknowledging the moment in history where something historically significant has been said by a US President, they leap on the opportunity to demonstrate their ignorance of what it really is to be American.




Musicmystery -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 1:50:07 PM)

Given serv's stated views, I'd have thought he'd be gleeful the election was now settled.




SternSkipper -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 1:53:07 PM)

quote:

F.R.

I feel sorry for poor Michelle. It'll be hard to explain that one to their youngest.


I'm going to suggest she start with "well you know how popular your dad is..."

All kidding aside, I bet her daughters are proud of him. See no one before him holding the same office has had the balls to say it. Even if it had been their belief.





servantforuse -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 1:56:46 PM)

History is being made ? He can't do a thing to make marriage legal for gays. Being called the first gay president is laughable. I'm glad Newsweek did it though.




Musicmystery -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 2:03:52 PM)

Then what's your problem?




Musicmystery -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 2:07:15 PM)

Whatever anyone thinks of it, it IS news.

Personally, I'd have handled it the way the New Yorker did. (Time went with breast feeding).

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servantforuse -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 2:18:38 PM)

I don't have a problem with it at all. I think the Newsweek photo makes him look like a complete idiot and don't know why they would do that to their guy. The rainbow halow is a classic.




Musicmystery -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 2:27:29 PM)

Well there I agree with you (I don't know about the "their guy" part). It's certainly NOT a news cover--it's an op-ed design.

Journalism in this country has been dead for decades.




MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Time Magazine (5/14/2012 2:27:38 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kirata


What I think is particularly odd is how they spelled "Time".

[image]http://www.hinews.cn/pic/0/13/05/56/13055619_302882.jpg[/image]

K.




[:D] HA... that was funny! [:D]





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