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Iamsemisweet -> The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:16:39 PM)

From Yahoo news:

Anonymity is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, the United States was founded, in part, thanks to Thomas Paine's anonymously written, pro-revolution pamphlet Common Sense. On the other hand, 12-year-olds who post anonymously on the internet can be rather unpleasant and cause real problems by cyberbullying. Whether you think the good outweighs the bad, this news is troubling indeed: A far-reaching bill introduced in the New York State Senate could end the practice of posting online once and for all. [image]http://l2.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/g3IJMmSfaXME5oSobWn8AA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTE5MA--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/technews/fva-300-thomas-o-mara-new-york-state-senator-mirror-300w.jpeg[/image]Sen. Thomas F. O'Mara / NY SenateIntroduced by New York State Sen. Thomas F. O'Mara (R—Big Flats), S6779 would require that any anonymous post online is subject to removal if the poster refuses to post — and verify — their legal name, their IP address, and their home address. From the (likely well intentioned) bill:
"A web site administrator upon request shall remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless such anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate. All web site administrators shall have a contact number or e-mail address posted for such removal requests, clearly visible in any sections where comments are posted."
Critics are quick to point out how dangerous and ineffective the anti-privacy bill would be in the off chance that it somehow passes.  After all, IP addresses do nothing to verify a person's identity, and including your home address on a controversial internet post could open you up to real-life threats.
In effect, the bill is an online stalker's dream. Of course, the most likely result of the bill's passage would just be the full-scale elimination of all comment systems everywhere, because the system is an unworkable burden on both the poster and the "web site administrators" who would need to respond to ludicrous take down requests at all times of the day.



Musicmystery -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:20:05 PM)

CM is already in compliance--they have this information.

Add a button where we agree what we've provided is accurate. Done.



SubmissiveDave32 -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:20:45 PM)

Someone needs to post this mans full address, phone number, and work place info, so he can see how he likes being publicly available for any psycho to stalk & track down.

I'd laugh if this man wanted his information removed!



Musicmystery -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:21:17 PM)

By the way,

http://www.collarchat.com/m_4127032/tm.htm



Musicmystery -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:22:26 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: SubmissiveDave32

Someone needs to post this mans full address, phone number, and work place info, so he can see how he likes being publicly available for any psycho to stalk & track down.

I'd laugh if this man wanted his information removed!

Read. It doesn't say the information needs to be public. It says the site administrator needs to have it.

Not difficult.



joether -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:45:04 PM)

Some of you may not know this...

Blizzard-Activision did this about two or three years ago with their product, World of Warcraft. They decided to remove people's Battle.net login names in replace with their real name and have that be used in the forums. This proposal was swiftly and sharply attacked by a very large audience of the Battle.net community (not to mention WoW players...) on the grounds that they wish to have their name remain annoynous. Someone with a specific name would be easy to find, locate, and than stalk with who knows what intentions. Many of the women and girls were very upset that this would allow HNG's (that's 'horny net geeks') from harassing or threaten of such towards them. If a guild in WoW suddenly imploded due to egos clashing, the fear was very real that action could be taken towards others in real life.

As a result, Blizzard-Activision removed this concept and allowed users to use either a specific WoW or SC (that's Starcraft) character/nickname. Within the gaming community (i.e. DICE's BF3 or EA Games ME3), players use their avatar's name, even though the company has some information on the user.

I 'get' what the Senator is trying to do with this bill. Unfortunately, I simply see it as doing more harm than good in the long run. The gaming industry should make for a good and objective perspective as to how effective this bill would be for Americans in New York or the nation as a whole. The Road to Hell is paved in good intentions.



Musicmystery -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 4:49:39 PM)

Again, the administrator needs this information; it need not be shared with the public.

That WoW could do this at all shows how easy complying would be.



joether -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 5:13:08 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery
Again, the administrator needs this information; it need not be shared with the public.

That WoW could do this at all shows how easy complying would be.


That's correct, the administrator of the ISP to which a person generally uses would have this information. Making it available to outside sources as required by law enforcement pertaining to a criminal case (only). Most sites either require a nickname for public forums while keeping the actual name for 'office use only'; or require a name/email address for use in the forum. This law seems to me, like something that would increase violence rather than prevent it.

This law almost seems like a circumvention of the 4th Amendment. That this senator either knowingly or unwittingly undermines a careful concept regarding privacy of US Citizens.



PeonForHer -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 5:44:32 PM)

FR
I don't about the technicalities of this idea because my computer-tech knowledge isn't anywhere near up to the task. But everything in me says that this is like slamming the door shut after the horse has bolted, mated with other horses, and colonised the world.



Owner59 -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 5:47:39 PM)

Is it even possible?



RemoteUser -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 6:00:47 PM)

It's possible to threaten lawsuits. It's possible to try and force people to knuckle down so that the system doesn't give up on the endless lawsuits this could potentially generate. In practice, if everyone had to follow this, the law would be axed or free speech would be terminated at the internet level as sites folded to avoid potential litigation.

I've been smelling civil war in the States now for about ten years. I give it another ten before all hell breaks loose - and you know the Canadian government will get us involved. *sigh*




Owner59 -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 6:06:05 PM)

 
Anonymous is going to erase every iphone of every law maker who votes for this(and hack their websites,inserting lovely images and verbage)......just to show them who`s boss.[:D]



RemoteUser -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 6:55:56 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

 
Anonymous is going to erase every iphone of every law maker who votes for this(and hack their websites,inserting lovely images and verbage)......just to show them who`s boss.[:D]


Yes.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 10:29:47 PM)

I can tell you right now that CM does not have my home address
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

CM is already in compliance--they have this information.

Add a button where we agree what we've provided is accurate. Done.




Musicmystery -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 10:52:34 PM)

So they add a line to the sign up page.



Iamsemisweet -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/24/2012 11:39:18 PM)

And why would I want to provide my address? Hint: I wouldn't
quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So they add a line to the sign up page.




thompsonx -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/25/2012 1:04:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Owner59

 
Anonymous is going to erase every iphone of every law maker who votes for this(and hack their websites,inserting lovely images and verbage)......just to show them who`s boss.[:D]



I am fearless.
But:
Mortars scare the livin' shit out of me.
And:
Anonymous is not someone with whom I would pick a fight.



thompsonx -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/25/2012 1:05:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

So they add a line to the sign up page.



Are you in favor of this law?



Musicmystery -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/25/2012 1:15:51 PM)

I think the sky isn't falling.



mnottertail -> RE: The end of CM as we know it? (5/25/2012 1:17:59 PM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY



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