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Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 6:22:22 PM   
LanceHughes


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Status: offline 		I wrote a CMail:
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Interesting..... you've checked the "sub" box so my filters (set to "slave") don't pick you up.  I was doing something totally different and you "came up."

Let's chat about possiblities since I like what you've written in your profile.  Well, I like it except for the slave-speak.  (Your response is to be without slave-speak.  Some like it, I don't.)

Regards, Lance
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Hello Mr.Hughes, Sir,  and if slave may approach, Sir,

it does thank Sir very much to taking the time to send this slave a message, Sir. It would respect what Sir wants and demands as deserved as well.

This slave should go back and correct the slave/sub thing for sure, but may  not need to if Sir finds this one to be acceptable for Sir's use.  slave can also be reached by email:
my-slave-name-at-someplace-dot-com
and can submit pics, etc for Sir's review, and if found acceptable, slave can answer any questions that Sir has. Again, thank you  Mr. Hughes and it looks  forward to hearing back,

humbly submitted,

slave kevin
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Discuss why slaves think this is the way to write to a potential Master.

I'm thinking I should just give him a message of "Zero for one" and block him.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 6:30:26 PM   
JstAnotherSub


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Discuss why slaves think this is the way to write to a potential Master.

I'm thinking I should just give him a message of "Zero for one" and block him.
This chick thinks that sub is a maroon. It happens.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 6:32:13 PM   
frazzle


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Status: offline 		1. You are realy looking for a slave and he lists as sub.
2.You say you like his profile, but apart from the slave speak dont mention 1 thing about it.
3. This person is brand new and has read castle realm, or is a troll. does anyone really refer to themselves as it????

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 7:02:30 PM   
LanceHughes


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quote:

ORIGINAL: frazzle

1. You are realy looking for a slave and he lists as sub.
2.You say you like his profile, but apart from the slave speak dont mention 1 thing about it.
3. This person is brand new and has read castle realm, or is a troll. does anyone really refer to themselves as it????


1. His profile was very "slave-y" and I partly quote:

Masc wht slave, to be used, owned by Master for pleasure, service, to be served as Master deserves to be.It is searching for that Master/ Sir that would want to take ownership of it, Sirs/Masters.  It is obedient, loyal, and is on the earth  for the pleasure and satisfaction of Master,however it can do so. Slave can detail the previous ownership and training slave received during that that time

2. You are correct as far as this thread goes.  However, I did discuss what was interesting to me in his profile, just as you suggest.  What WAS discussed in my original e-mail has been "redacted" to decrease that red-herring / drift-making point and bring out the slave-speak "stuff."

3. He joined 10/22/11- claims he was an Alpha slave in a poly-house.  I'm going to ask "Wwhat happened?" pretty soon.  I suggested (in my response to him) that maybe "slave-speak" was beaten into him.

Thanks for your concerns.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 7:33:24 PM   
RemoteUser


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Status: offline 		From personal experience (I've bumped into this a few times), I'd say it's an identity issue.

slave needs to figure out what slave is and stick with it. If slave is happy, then it's all sunshine and watermelon.

There may be a clash as well in presentation. slave might think it needs to approach you its own way until given an example. How literal is the boy? Ask him.

This is really all about communication. Exhaust your options (patience?) and leave the rest on him. If it doesn't work, c'est la vie.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 7:39:02 PM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Status: offline 		I've had the (unfortunate) experience of dealing with male s-types like this on more than one occasion. The slave speak is so firmly drilled into them that even when highly motivated, it could take weeks to totally eradicate.

(He also may not understand what he is doing as "slave speak.")

If he continues to have great potential in other areas, I'd give him a chance but expect to need loooooots of patience.

If he seems to default to the groveling slavey I'm just a pathetic worm attitude in other ways as well, I'd give him a miss.

Personally I'm more than capable of training an s-type towards what I want and expect, but I find untraining them is just too damn tedious.




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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 7:48:04 PM   
littlewonder


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Status: offline 		Because they've read "O" one too many times.
They've read too many bdsm porn stories.
They've been hanging out in the roleplaying Gorean channels again.

When I see someone speaking like that I usually just keep on walking. I don't have the patience usually to read what they have to say.

Oh, the slave is from Nigeria and is a 24 year old leggy and beautiful/handsome male/female.


< Message edited by littlewonder -- 5/25/2012 7:49:42 PM >

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 8:20:30 PM   
ResidentSadist


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Status: offline 		I can't fathom why he disobeyed. As far as the sir yes sir stuff, I have always enjoyed protocol myself. I love it when a slave asks is they can ask a question:

Q - Sir, may I ask a question?
A - "You just did."

. . . <silence>


I think the 3rd person reference (slave speak) comes from two places. There is a dehumanizing aspect, to take things out of the personal frame of reference. Which also serves the second purpose, the spirit of a slave that puts them into their role by transcending personal ego and sense of self, bypassing self reference in their speech. When done eloquently, it almost Zen like. You are not "their Master" you are just "Master" as they are just "slave". . . independent of the personal aspects of the connection but dedicated to their role in the relationship.

Even I tend towards this attitude from the top down perspective. It is not "my house", an extension of my ego but it is "the house", an entity of its own in which I have a duty to it as its Master. I have a job, a role, a duty . . . I am not Master by ego extension, I am Master in duty to the house I helped create. I have job to lead, maintain and enforce the rule of the house.

As far as the Zen like spirit, the letter kevin wrote did not capture it. It seemed more high protocol than slave spirit.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/25/2012 11:10:52 PM   
Endivius


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Status: offline 		When I get asked, "Can slave ask a question?" or some derivative similiar, I usually respond with, "You just asked your one question for the day, Maybe tomorrow you won't waste it."

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/26/2012 12:18:29 AM   
MadameM4U


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Status: offline 		I agree that some slaves have adapted this method of communication through their previous "training" from whatever source. It does take quite a bit of time and patience to re-train their mind. I would rather start with a rank beginner and train them to my preferences than to spend the inordinate amount of time it may take to un-train someone.

I had a sub who was resistant to being re-trained. I explained to him that being trained to serve one Mistress is like learning to make love to one woman. You now know how to make love to that ONE woman, not necessarily any other woman as preferences will vary from woman to woman. After several weeks of hearing, "this is the way I was trained by my former Mistress" I told him he needed to return to her since he was unwilling to do what it took to please me.

I personally don't care for slave-speak but know that others do so it is something I expect to encounter when a potential slave makes contact.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/26/2012 4:36:06 AM   
Salinedion


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Status: offline 		Not a fan of the gor-speak, but to each his own.

But you do have to wonder about someone responding to the OP in such an obtuse manner. I mean, he's not exactly wearing a football outfit in that avatar, is he? If the dream is Lance, then the applicants shouldn't shoot themselves in the foot from the get-go.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/26/2012 9:09:48 AM   
LanceHughes


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Status: offline 		UPDATE:  I told him to translate his "Gor-speak" - he didn't.  Zero for two.  Nice enough apology ("No disrespect was meant", etc.) but as ResidentSadist says above, "I can't fathom why he disobeyed."

< Message edited by LanceHughes -- 5/26/2012 9:13:07 AM >

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/26/2012 10:15:33 AM   
angelikaJ


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Status: offline 		Lance,

He may not have understood the request in concrete terms.

Perhaps you could ask him why he wrote in third person when you asked him not to?

(And he may not even get the reference to "Gor-speak".)

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/26/2012 10:51:06 AM   
WestBaySlave


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Status: offline 		There are lots of ways to analyze the situation, but to me, it reads as:

Person 1: I have this particular fetish.

Person 2: I'm not into said fetish, but I'd like to know you.

Person 1: Here's a big heaping plate of my fetish!

This conversation happens all of the time, in various ways.

It's more obvious when it comes from a dominant, but a submissive's way of insisting on what they want tends to involve ignoring what the dominant says if it conflicts with the preordained fetish scenario. See the "Ask A Mistress" section for a million examples of sub-male sub-mails like this, whether it's a non-smoker domme who( according to the fantasy ) is putting out her cigarettes on the slave, or a woman who likes butch men apparently "needing" a sissy, and so on ( and on, and on ).

I view the other side of Collarme as mostly consisting of people trying to rope others into satisfying their fetish fantasy ( from top, bottom, or any other direction ). Occasionally, it's more than that. Mostly, just that.

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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/26/2012 11:02:58 AM   
kalikshama


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quote:

Person 1: I have this particular fetish.

Person 2: I'm not into said fetish, but I'd like to know you.

Person 1: Here's a big heaping plate of my fetish!


That's my read too. Next!


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RE: Slave-speak of the highest (or is it lowest?) order - 5/28/2012 6:11:09 PM   
AngelOfSilence


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quote:

Discuss why slaves think this is the way to write to a potential Master.
Intellectually challenged?

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