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Owner59 -> The Heretic... (5/25/2012 10:21:06 PM)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/25/romney-spending-cuts-depression-tea-party_n_1545933.html

 
 
"Romney Comment Contradicts GOP Orthodoxy... Admits Slashing Spending Would Cause Recession"
 
"Romney Argues Big Spending Cuts Would Cause 'Depression,' Contrary To Tea Party Activists"

"Republican House Speaker John Boehner and GOP Presidential nominee Mitt Romney have, in the course of the past week, pushed starkly different approaches to fiscal policy and economic recovery, a window into a broader rift within the GOP between the Tea Party and less absolutist conservatives."
 
 




joether -> RE: The Heretic... (5/25/2012 11:48:33 PM)

Let's go over the basic concept:

Mr. Boehner is a medical doctor by trade, Mr. Romney is a businessman by trade. Which person would have a better handle on the economic growth for the next few years? President Obama! [:D]

All kidding aside, Mr. Romney has in the past and even now pointed out that the steps needed to deal with the issues in 2008 were akin to the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act. That money had to be spent in such a manner as to create an artifical demand. We had plenty of supply, but demand for products/services was rapidly decreasing due to the circumstances that led up to the 2007 economic crash and sinking towards a depression. If President Obama had followed the 'advice' of Republicans, this nation would have well been in a depression like that experienced in this country shortly after 1929 (with Republicans suddenly effected by ultra-selective Amneisa that they suggested such a thing). Fortunately for us Americans, he was wise enough to tell them "Thank you for your 'advice' but we will be going with my plan'. The facts of the ARRA speak for itself: Most industries that were rapidly failing bottom out; some of them were making inroads to profititable status at the tail end of the bill's duration (which ran for two years). Employment losses were slowly lowered and soon saw positive growth in many sectors of industry.

Mr. Romney is at odds with most other Republicans on how to deal with the budget deficit: Budget cuts and tax increases. It is not enough to simply cut billions from the budget, but to also increase the taxes to aquire more funding. This concept comes straight out of Business Theory 101: If your expenses are more than your gross profits, you lean on your sales guys/gals to make more! In the USA, we have a mechanism called 'taxes'. The problem with cutting the budget (Romney, economists, and Democrats knew this), is that it would have had a negative effect on jobs. How much does a $100 Billion dollars in federal spending buy or maintain in US Jobs? The number, according to the CBO and some Democrats is 750,000-950,000 depending on the industries effected. That didnt made sense when companies were already shedding jobs in 2007-2010.

I do get a bit annoyed and even sadden that there are numerous conservatives that really have a poor education when it comes to macro-economics (as it effects the nation). Most of them accused the President of taking over GM with $60 Billion dollars (he ordered the DOT to invest the money in preferred stock, NOT, common stock). Even more so, these folks did not sit down and read the ARRA, Affordable Care Act (ACA), or even the rules put in place to protect investors from the sort of greedy and unethical business practices that were allowed when Republicans in previous sessions of Congress removed them (there was in fact some REAL reasons for those regulations). They are making bad decisions based on bad information and bad educational knowledge on financial issues in their present and future lives. Of course, they have been trained (brainwashed is a better term) to distrust Liberalis Media infavor of 'state-run' television programming that spews out false, misleding, and just plain wrong information on an hourly basis with very little to no ethics in doing so.




thompsonx -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 10:16:23 AM)

Wasn't gertner one of the bush&co. stooges?
Isn't gertner the seminal archetect of the current presidents program?
It looks to me like bussiness as usual:
The rich get richer and the poor get pregnant.


edited to add:
You get pregnant by getting fucked in case that was unclear.




vincentML -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 11:44:07 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Wasn't gertner one of the bush&co. stooges?
Isn't gertner the seminal archetect of the current presidents program?
It looks to me like bussiness as usual:
The rich get richer and the poor get pregnant.


edited to add:
You get pregnant by getting fucked in case that was unclear.



Try to remember there was a credit failure. Loans were frozen by fear. If not Geithner and Bernanke who would have saved our asses? Moe, Larry, and Curly?




LadyPact -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 11:49:45 AM)

Sorry for the off topic here, but you had Me worried with that thread title.  I thought it might be another thread such as we saw with SpinnerofTales.




Lockit -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 11:54:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Sorry for the off topic here, but you had Me worried with that thread title.  I thought it might be another thread such as we saw with SpinnerofTales.


Ditto...




erieangel -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 12:21:39 PM)

Romney is just trying to appeal to the moderates. Don't worry, in a few days or so, he'll be back to lauding Ryan's budget as inspired to keep the right wingers in his camp.





thompsonx -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 1:54:44 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Wasn't gertner one of the bush&co. stooges?
Isn't gertner the seminal archetect of the current presidents program?
It looks to me like bussiness as usual:
The rich get richer and the poor get pregnant.


edited to add:
You get pregnant by getting fucked in case that was unclear.



Try to remember there was a credit failure. Loans were frozen by fear. If not Geithner and Bernanke who would have saved our asses? Moe, Larry, and Curly?



I been to two hawg killin's and a county fair. I do not see a whole lot of difference amongst timmy,moe,larry or the other guy...
But then I am old and cynical and seldom ascribe to happenstance that which might more rightly be laid at the door of colusion,hypocracy and lots of money.




thompsonx -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 1:57:09 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Sorry for the off topic here, but you had Me worried with that thread title.  I thought it might be another thread such as we saw with SpinnerofTales.


Speaking of which has anyone heard from popeye?




Lockit -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 2:01:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Sorry for the off topic here, but you had Me worried with that thread title.  I thought it might be another thread such as we saw with SpinnerofTales.


Speaking of which has anyone heard from popeye?


Haven't talked to him, but I can see him... looks okay to me.




TheHeretic -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 4:19:11 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyPact

Sorry for the off topic here, but you had Me worried with that thread title.  I thought it might be another thread such as we saw with SpinnerofTales.



Nah. I'm fine, but thanks for the concern. [:D]




Fellow -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 5:06:24 PM)

Nobody argues against well-targeted reform-minded spending. The idiots think  any spending is good during economic depression. GW Bush for example advised people to shop, Obama seems to think the same way. 30,000 drones for domestic spying will certainly help a lot.




vincentML -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 6:15:08 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx


quote:

ORIGINAL: vincentML


quote:

ORIGINAL: thompsonx

Wasn't gertner one of the bush&co. stooges?
Isn't gertner the seminal archetect of the current presidents program?
It looks to me like bussiness as usual:
The rich get richer and the poor get pregnant.


edited to add:
You get pregnant by getting fucked in case that was unclear.



Try to remember there was a credit failure. Loans were frozen by fear. If not Geithner and Bernanke who would have saved our asses? Moe, Larry, and Curly?



I been to two hawg killin's and a county fair. I do not see a whole lot of difference amongst timmy,moe,larry or the other guy...
But then I am old and cynical and seldom ascribe to happenstance that which might more rightly be laid at the door of colusion,hypocracy and lots of money.



[:D] Umm . . Larry, Curly & Moe were the Three Stooges, not GW Bush's stooges. Just in case you wish to keep score.




vincentML -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 6:25:16 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Fellow

Nobody argues against well-targeted reform-minded spending. The idiots think  any spending is good during economic depression. GW Bush for example advised people to shop, Obama seems to think the same way. 30,000 drones for domestic spying will certainly help a lot.


Well, there was one guy, John Maynard Keynes . . .

"For Keynes, the government had to be prepared to act as the spender of last resort, just as the central bank acted as the lender of last resort."

But, you probably have written a thesis proving that the market economy will restore employment and consumption if left to its own invisible hand. So, when did that ever happen?

And anyway, just wtf is "well-targeted, reform-minded spending?"




Owner59 -> RE: The Heretic... (5/26/2012 10:16:01 PM)

<think Strother Martin as Capt. in Cool Hand Luke, lecturing Mitt>

Mitt ....your gonna have`ta  get.....your mind.....right.....[:D]




Fellow -> RE: The Heretic... (5/27/2012 3:43:22 PM)

quote:

Well, there was one guy, John Maynard Keynes . . .

"For Keynes, the government had to be prepared to act as the spender of last resort, just as the central bank acted as the lender of last resort."


This idea has been wrongly interpreted. Keynes expected returns in multiples as a result of spending. Today, it is estimated, it takes about 2.5 to 5 dollars debt created per 1 dollar GDP generated. How do you explain it works in positive way, except creating a temporary illusion of success? Sometimes "the cure" (the government intervention)  is worse in long run than to let market correction to take place.




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