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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/29/2012 10:23:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		All he does with an increasing, "tough on drugs" stance, Kirata, is harm among the base. He doesn't gain anything.

Working class white males, guys. Outside the unions, that is not a demographic where the President does very well. This is something about the President they can relate to. It's not something to be used as an issue, but to establish a connection.

If I actually believed that Obama might come through with a sensible legalization package, I'd turn single-issue voter, and cast it his way. I don't see that happening.

In the broader discussion of legalization, though, in the national conversation we need to have about drug policy, a pothead grew up to be President of the United States. Yes We Can!

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/29/2012 10:44:03 PM   
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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/29/2012 10:55:21 PM   
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So the cons consider gaybashing in school to be not anything important but smoking weed is.


Surely this pales in significance to RPG games.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/29/2012 10:55:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

In the broader discussion of legalization, though, in the national conversation we need to have about drug policy, a pothead grew up to be President of the United States. Yes We Can!

Well no, a reformed pothead who managed to avoid going to jail. Here are the facts.

(please note that I use the term "facts" loosely)

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/29/2012 10:58:02 PM   
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Barack will ~smoke~ Romney” 



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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/29/2012 10:59:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Mixing drugs.......like cool-aid and pot......that`s where trouble starts.........

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 12:06:39 AM   
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Mixing drugs.......like Kool-Aid and pot......that`s where trouble starts.........



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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 2:52:30 AM   
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the requirement to stay in lockstep is one of the things that finalized my break with the Democrat Party. Fucking authoritarian bastards.


I chuckle every time you say that. I get not liking Gore. But then the Bush Republicans walked not only in lock-step, but deliberately so, in an attempt to create permanent one-party rule--and publicly.

Rationalization. Your choices are yours. But rationalization.

Remember in Rich's view Whoopi Goldberg telling jokes equating W to pubic hair is equivalent to everything Karl Rove did.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 4:38:44 AM   
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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 7:04:41 AM   
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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 7:16:52 AM   
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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 7:48:15 AM   
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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 5:56:29 PM   
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I wouldnt bother, ... it did nothing for me.



Let me take a guess, Lucy. Was this the part you found distasteful?

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when the man you support betrays your principles, he has to go—not your principles.



Now some, of course, never had any principles to begin with, but are perfectly happy to latch onto whatever value of the day comes along, and play shameless make-believe, but I never figured you for one of those. Maybe I was wrong.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 6:03:55 PM   
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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 6:31:51 PM   
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Anything truly new here? Wasn't Obama's drug use public knowledge, in part as a result of his autobiography, when he ran last time?

I'm coming late to the thread, so apologies if this has already been asked and answered.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 7:25:54 PM   
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Anything truly new here? Wasn't Obama's drug use public knowledge, in part as a result of his autobiography, when he ran last time?

I'm coming late to the thread, so apologies if this has already been asked and answered.



Not at all, DC. We seem to have gotten a bit bogged down with people thinking this is a negative campaign issue, that must be attacked somehow. That's funny to me, because it can easily be a positive factor in getting reelected. A great many working class white males, a demographic where he's not doing real well, are finally going to have something about the guy they can relate to. They smoked pot in vans, too! It might be a start, if played exactly right. Should we see if any contributors so far wind up changing their tune?

We knew it was out there, DC. The President is on record as having inhaled frequently. But the stories are new. To somebody who favors legalization, and discussion that moves us closer to doing it, regardless of what any party line might be on the subject, or where in the election cycle it might fall, it's just too good to pass up.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 8:07:57 PM   
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A great many working class white males, a demographic where he's not doing real well, are finally going to have something about the guy they can relate to. They smoked pot in vans, too!

But, Obama has come down hard on the side of keeping pot illegal, and his Justice Department is even going after medical marijuana. I don't see how that's going to impress anybody who "smoked pot in vans too." If anything, it makes him look like a prize fucking hypocrite.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 8:23:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It is federal law. It's not new under Obama. Would you want the laws he doesn't like unenforced?

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/30/2012 9:26:01 PM   
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It is federal law. It's not new under Obama.

True, but the point is as vacuous as Obama's promises.

When Obama was running for office, he said he would not "use Justice Department resources to try and circumvent state laws about medical marijuana." Instead, his Justice Department is cracking down. He could perfectly legally make an executive decision removing marijuana from the list of Schedule I drugs. Instead, the White House insists that marijuana is dangerous, that it is more carcinogenic than tobacco, that legalization would do little to reduce drug violence, and that it would in fact place an additional burden on the criminal justice system.

This is bullshit.

K.

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RE: How to smoke pot with Barack Obama - 5/31/2012 7:45:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I don't post very often here, because Kirata tends to say what needs to be said. I would just like to add that Obama is a hypocrite because it is politically expedient. In other words, we are the hypocrites. We live in a country where Bob Dylan gets the Medal of Freedom and Willie Nelson gets arrested.

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