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pinniped -> Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/29/2012 9:48:09 PM)

I am, as I often note, a big fan of bondage. It often confuses and saddens me how little a part bondage actually winds up playing in many BDSM-related activities. But certainly there are many here who enjoy and practice it, so, editorializing out of the way.... :)

I particularly am a fan of long-term bondage. Rarely I have stayed tied up "long enough" in my opinion. On some occasions I have been tied up and left alone for a while, a practice which has its safety risks, but those can be minimized. That's not really my subject here.

Generally if I'm going to be left for a while I prefer a fairly comfortable position -- as comfortable as one can be when movement is heavily restricted. And of course if one is going to be bound for any length of time, it's particularly important to make sure the position is 'safe' - that circulation is not impaired, breathing is not hindered, and in some cases that the strain on the muscles isn't overly great.

What I'd be curious about are positions one can be bound in that one could be left safely for moderately long periods -- say, between ten minutes and an hour -- that are not particularly comfortable for the sub, where after a few minutes the typical sub would be more than ready to be released, but where there's no real reason you couldn't leave him bound for quite a while with no real fear of injury or long-term affects?

Maybe I'm asking the impossible, or maybe I'm overlooking the obvious. In any case, let's talk bondage! [:D]



ProlificNeeds -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 8:00:17 AM)

Discomfort can easily turn to pain, depending on the length of time you spend in a position. I would never leave anyone bound long term unless they understood how to use micro muscle stretching and flexing to keep themselves from being completely seized up afterwards.

Even with stretching and micro movements, pain is there for a specific reason, to tell you 'this is not right!' and every body is different as far as what can be handled for duration and extention. Your muscles, tendons, and range of mobility are different from everyone elses, so it would require some hands on careful exploration to know how much discomfort you can take without doing harm.

You can try any position you want, but increase time spent in that position in 5-10 minute incriments, and evaluate afterwards how the subject feels musclewse, and what the longer term impacts are. Is there swelling or too much stiffness/soreness the next day?

- Never invert your subject for more than a few minutes, head should be higher than heart, or at least on the level with it.
- Legs and lower body should not be higher than the heart for extended periods, while less dangerous than having heart over head, it can still increase risk of circulation problems, especially if you've got tight fitting bindings around the lower extremities.
- Bindings should never be so tight they restrict bloodflow to extremities. If you notice discoloration differences between the areas above and below a binding, loosen it if it's going to be on for more than a few minutes.

Ways to add discomfort? Use coarse binding ropes/items to add a bit of skin abraision whenever they squirm. Lay/sit them on something discomforting while bound.
Read up on muscle cramping, and what it means to hyper extend muscles or tendons. Experimentation is fun with the body, just make sure you know how to deal with the after effects properly so that experimentation doesn't end up causing injury.

Also reference some shibari material, these guys are pro's at trussing up their subjects, and usually for longer periods of time. Also keep safety in mind with quick release options incase the person in bondage does start to cramp up badly.



LaTigresse -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 8:01:35 AM)

I am a sadistic old thang. I prefer people be UNcomfortable. Otherwise, why bother?



ResidentSadist -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 2:58:16 PM)

If I read you right, you are saying:

"What positions can be used for intermediate periods of time without turning rope bondage into rope torture?"

Avoiding the extremely comfortable positions that are so comfy they can be slept in, I would say hog tied is a good position that affords enough comfort yet imposes a great deal of restriction in movement. I frequently used to hog tie my girl and let her watch TV with me for a few hours, but I never made her sleep overnight that way.

As far as circulation, safety and muscle tears go, there are basics in most bondage books that explain how to bind someone without damaging them or having the knots slip and tightening. So many correct ways to do that, I can't mention them all. The safety aspects are pretty much part of the basics you should know before picking up your first spool of rope or letting someone else tie you up. It is both the binder and the bound's responsibility to remain safe and healthy.



kalikshama -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 3:56:06 PM)

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What I'd be curious about are positions one can be bound in that one could be left safely for moderately long periods -- say, between ten minutes and an hour


I've been bound to a massage table for an hour or so on each side. I was a little stiff afterwards, but had created an enormous wet spot on the sheet [;)]



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 7:23:25 PM)

There are lots of ways to do safe predicament bondage. Find some riggers and have fun!

I have noticed that lots of folks who are into rope are just into rope. Which suits me, since I love being tied, but not having anything done to me while I'm tied.

Suspensions are physically challenging, also hogties and certain spread positions that involve poles or sticks as tie points.



mummyman321 -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 7:55:02 PM)

I like the spread eagle position standing up with spreader bars between the wrists and the ankles. With the top spreader bar pulled up high so you are almost on your tippy toes. A couple hours of that will make you ache :)



pinniped -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/30/2012 10:17:36 PM)

I would definitely like to try some good predicament bondage with the right person (someone sadistic enough to enjoy it, but sensible enough to know if it's going too far), and yes, would love to be suspended someday. At my size that involves perhaps somewhat more work than it might if I were the 110-pound (or even 150-pound) young woman I wish I were, but I'm sure it can be done.

There is a local Shibari group, though they seem to have moved their normal meetings to someplace I can't get to. All the Shibari I see seems to involve female 'victims' though....though that may well be more a matter of what looks good in pictures.



kalikshama -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/31/2012 4:21:07 AM)

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and yes, would love to be suspended someday. At my size that involves perhaps somewhat more work than it might if I were the 110-pound (or even 150-pound) young woman I wish I were, but I'm sure it can be done.


My goodness, you're my ex's height and weight - a size I find very attractive in general but would deem daunting to suspend. Perhaps a rigging enthusiast would take you on as an Everest-like challenge.



pinniped -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (5/31/2012 11:27:47 PM)

Yes, well, it's not something on my "must" list by any means. If a safe opportunity presents itself, or I have the chance to seek out one, then maybe, but I could be perfectly happy without it. (Assuming I could ever be perfectly happy, anyway....)



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 8:12:28 AM)

I have seen some suspensions done on people of serious size. It can be done. It IS physically challenging, but I would suggest you find some rope groups and make friends.

It's of course true that the slender young girls are the ones to get rigged first. We larger ladies have pointed that out to our friends who say, Oh wow, really, hadn't noticed that... Special. Anyway, male rope bottoms in the het community are in shorter supply, but a rigger loves to rig.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 8:29:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

I have seen some suspensions done on people of serious size. It can be done. It IS physically challenging, but I would suggest you find some rope groups and make friends.

It's of course true that the slender young girls are the ones to get rigged first. We larger ladies have pointed that out to our friends who say, Oh wow, really, hadn't noticed that... Special. Anyway, male rope bottoms in the het community are in shorter supply, but a rigger loves to rig.



QFT



Soyokaze -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 11:17:00 AM)

Suspensions sound like they'd be really fun, but all my joints are hyper-mobile and won't support as much weight as a normal persons would so I suspect it's not for me : ( On the plus side, I'm super flexible if I ever find someone that's really into regular bondage stuff ^.^



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 11:23:30 AM)

Suspensions should never involve your joints, Soyokaze! The weight bearing is done with the major muscle groups, so no dislocations. The arms and legs might be tied interestingly, but it's not like the stress is carried by them.



Soyokaze -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 11:56:16 AM)

My joints are very loose. Wasn't meaning to say I'd be suspended by the joints, but my arms and legs can't hold nearly as much of a load as a normal person before I have issues with them. I have ehlers-danlos syndrome (just got diagnosed recently actually).



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 11:57:11 AM)

That's the point, your arms and legs DON'T bear the weight.



Soyokaze -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 12:18:39 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHibiscus

That's the point, your arms and legs DON'T bear the weight.


Hmm, then it might be possible. Pictures of it make it look like it wouldn't be a good idea for me.



LadyHibiscus -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 12:37:38 PM)

That's the fun of pictures, and part of the joy of watching over rope events... AND the danger of doofuses trying to replicate ties. Many pictures are just for the sake of the picture, and the model is in a less-than-ideal tie for a minute or two. Or, the tie LOOKS like weight is being held somewhere it shouldn't be, but the real rigging is elsewhere.

I have absolutely zero patience for tying, but I adore being tied... tremendous relaxing fun. Who knew? Being restrained was the last thing I forced myself to do, and I was just blown away by how much I liked it, and how floaty I got! Closest thing to subspace for me.

If you have vertigo (which I do) don't do any inverted spinny stuff without your antivert. Yeah. Long recovery time. Serious FUN, though.



TNDommeK -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 12:46:28 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

I am a sadistic old thang. I prefer people be UNcomfortable. Otherwise, why bother?


I didn't even finish reading the entire thread when I saw this. THIS^^^^



TNDommeK -> RE: Bondage Positions: Uncomfortable but safe? (6/1/2012 12:49:30 PM)

See, I love rope but it takes so much time to do things right, I lose interest by then. Might be My a.d.d kickin in, lol.



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