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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 6:47:49 AM   
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I stated "new and sustainable". From that statement it could not be inferred that I thought the leaders before him were better, simply that he was lacking in certain respects.


Would you care to share what you feel "he was lacking in certain respects"?

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:08:09 AM   
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Are you not familiar with the common democratic process?

We are not discussing democratic processes we are discussing how hitler came to power. Please try to maintain focus.

I think it is hard to discribe this exchange of posts as a "discussing" anything due to the imbecilic contributions you have made thus far.

I'm afraid the issue of democracy arises because another person said he was "elected", which you took issue with - do try and keep up.

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Many countries like South Africa require a 2/3 majority in a given parliament to change their respective constitutions. That was the case in Germany too.

Which is what I pointed out to you

You are lying to backtrack. You stated that he needed 2/3 to get elected by referencing my cite after I stated he needed 50% http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4132172


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He needed 50% to take power.

Please cite the part of the german constitution that would make hitler chancelor with a 50% simple majority in the reichstag.

No the onus here is on you to provide a source supporting the claim 2/3 of the vote is required to take power because I have already provided a source which states he needed a majority to gain power. A majority is a majority is a majority. If you are unfamiliar with the word please see this source http://www.thefreedictionary.com/majority "1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total. 2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes."


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No country requires more than that to go into government AFAIK but 2/3 is oft needed to change constitutions.

He appointment to chancellor was due to one thing alone, he lead the party that almost got into power on votes. All the other parties were far far far behind.


Perhaps if you had troubled youself to have read anything of substance on this subject you would not post such foolish tripe.
Under the weimar republic the president appoints the chancelor,before that it was the emperor who appointed the chancelor.
Your contention that if his party had won a simpe majority he would have been automatically chancelor is nothing but ignorance on your part.


Total rubbish on your part. It is merely part of a democratic process as in other nations like the UK, where the Crown invites political leaders to form governments.

Are you saying the President could pick any man in the street and select as his Chancelor?


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I stated "new and sustainable". From that statement it could not be inferred that I thought the leaders before him were better, simply that he was lacking in certain respects.

Would you care to share what you feel "he was lacking in certain respects"?

Once again, I said what I said. It was not in any way ambiguous. Please see the original statement as it will provide the clarification you require.

If it doesn't then I cannot be held accountable for any deficiencies in your reading ability or congitive process.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:37:07 AM   
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I stated "new and sustainable". From that statement it could not be inferred that I thought the leaders before him were better, simply that he was lacking in certain respects.
Would you care to share what you feel "he was lacking in certain respects"?

Once again, I said what I said. It was not in any way ambiguous. Please see the original statement as it will provide the clarification you require.

If it doesn't then I cannot be held accountable for any deficiencies in your reading ability or congitive process.

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Your meaning is quite clear...if you don't post an opinion I will not be able to ask you to validate it.
You stated that you felt he "was lacking in some respects".
When asked for specifics... you posture.
Is that what you learned at university?

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:43:03 AM   
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Are you not familiar with the common democratic process?

We are not discussing democratic processes we are discussing how hitler came to power. Please try to maintain focus.

I think it is hard to discribe this exchange of posts as a "discussing" anything due to the imbecilic contributions you have made thus far.


So far my contributions have been limited to pointing out your lack of factual knowledge of the topic.

[quot]I'm afraid the issue of democracy arises because another person said he was "elected", which you took issue with - do try and keep up.

There was no issue of democracy as he was not elected which is the point I made...do try and keep up.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:46:10 AM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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I stated "new and sustainable". From that statement it could not be inferred that I thought the leaders before him were better, simply that he was lacking in certain respects.
Would you care to share what you feel "he was lacking in certain respects"?

Once again, I said what I said. It was not in any way ambiguous. Please see the original statement as it will provide the clarification you require.

If it doesn't then I cannot be held accountable for any deficiencies in your reading ability or congitive process.

< Message edited by Anaxagoras -- 6/8/2012 10:11:32 AM >


Your meaning is quite clear...if you don't post an opinion I will not be able to ask you to validate it.
You stated that you felt he "was lacking in some respects".
When asked for specifics... you posture.
Is that what you learned at university?


Not at all, it is merely an effort to avoid your idiotic trollery. I made a simple point that he was less than democratic. It is a well known point, and indeed numerous others on here said the same but then you posted a nonsensical response that could not be read into my response whatsoever. It was clearly intended as an excuse to launch trolling attacks.

I can easily back up my assertion that he was less than democratic which was the blindingly obvious fucking point of my post but shall not do so with you. If anyone else asks for some cites I will be happy to provide them.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:48:22 AM   
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Many countries like South Africa require a 2/3 majority in a given parliament to change their respective constitutions. That was the case in Germany too.
Which is what I pointed out to you

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You are lying to backtrack. You stated that he needed 2/3 to get elected by referencing my cite after I stated he needed 50% http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4132172


Please show me where I have ever said hitler needed 2/3 of anything to get elected. I have stated several times he was appointed not elected.
Your own cite points out that he was appointed not elected and that he needed to control 2/3 of the reichstag to make any constitutional changes.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:52:01 AM   
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You still cant quote properly can you? It doesn't say a lot for your cognitive capabilities! Let me correct them yet again.
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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Are you not familiar with the common democratic process?

We are not discussing democratic processes we are discussing how hitler came to power. Please try to maintain focus.

I think it is hard to discribe this exchange of posts as a "discussing" anything due to the imbecilic contributions you have made thus far.


So far my contributions have been limited to pointing out your lack of factual knowledge of the topic.

Translation: you are a troll than contributes nothing of note.

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I'm afraid the issue of democracy arises because another person said he was "elected", which you took issue with - do try and keep up.


There was no issue of democracy as he was not elected which is the point I made...do try and keep up.

I suggest you make more of an effort to debate. This issue of the democratic process naturally arises when you claim he was not elected.

Furthermore, it was a counter-claim to an initial claim that he was elected. You do not get to artificially determine the perameters of the topic.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 10:55:57 AM   
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He needed 50% to take power.
Please cite the part of the german constitution that would make hitler chancelor with a 50% simple majority in the reichstag.


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No the onus here is on you to provide a source supporting the claim 2/3 of the vote is required to take power because I have already provided a source which states he needed a majority to gain power.


No you have not.
Your source pointed out that he did not have a simple majority in the reichstag.
Your source pointed out that he was appointed not elected.
Your source pointed out that it requires a 2/3 majority of the reichstag to change the constitution.
Your source pointed out that you have no clue what you are talking about.

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A majority is a majority is a majority. If you are unfamiliar with the word please see this source http://www.thefreedictionary.com/majority "1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total. 2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes."

Majority is what hitler did not get at the ballot box. Is there some part of that that escapes you?

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 11:05:08 AM   
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Many countries like South Africa require a 2/3 majority in a given parliament to change their respective constitutions. That was the case in Germany too.
Which is what I pointed out to you

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You are lying to backtrack. You stated that he needed 2/3 to get elected by referencing my cite after I stated he needed 50% http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4132172


Please show me where I have ever said hitler needed 2/3 of anything to get elected. I have stated several times he was appointed not elected.
Your own cite points out that he was appointed not elected and that he needed to control 2/3 of the reichstag to make any constitutional changes.


After I claimed he very nearly got elected with a majority which would be sufficient to rule:
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He wasn't merely appointed as if randomly or by magic. He was appointed because the Nazi party got (by a very considerable margin) the largest number of votes 44% in fact - quite close to required 50% http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_federal_election,_March_1933#Results


You referred to my cite by claiming he actually required 2/3rds of the vote http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=4132172 thereby stating I was lying about the claim of 50%.
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Your cite says 2/3 majority not 50 percent...
More half truths to support whole lies?


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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 11:08:20 AM   
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Your meaning is quite clear...if you don't post an opinion I will not be able to ask you to validate it.
You stated that you felt he "was lacking in some respects".
When asked for specifics... you posture.
Is that what you learned at university?


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Not at all, it is merely an effort to avoid your idiotic trollery.





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I made a simple point that he was less than democratic.


No...this is the first time you have said that.
Along those lines how is it that he has been freely elected twice?


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It is a well known point,


Perhaps to you but you refuse to share your sources or opinions with us. I for one am not willing to just take your word for it. I have found your post to be less than factual in the past.

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and indeed numerous others on here said the same but then you posted a nonsensical response that could not be read into my response whatsoever. It was clearly intended as an excuse to launch trolling attacks.


What you choose to characterize as trolling those with a three digit iq and a pulse regard as a simple request to validate peurile moronic drivel you post

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I can easily back up my assertion that he was less than democratic


If you could you would instead you posture...why is that?


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which was the blindingly obvious fucking point of my post

Then why all the obfuscation about your meaning?

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but shall not do so with you. If anyone else asks for some cites I will be happy to provide them.

Will you post them with invisible ink so I can't see them?

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 11:18:07 AM   
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After I claimed he very nearly got elected with a majority which would be sufficient to rule:


He was not running for anything.
He was not elected to anything.
If his party had 51% of the vote he would still neither have been elected to anything nor automatically appointed to anything.
The chancelor in germany,since it's inception,has been appointed, first by the kaiser then by the president.
Does it ever cross your mind to do a little basic research before joining a discussion?
Or:
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 11:18:30 AM   
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He needed 50% to take power.
Please cite the part of the german constitution that would make hitler chancelor with a 50% simple majority in the reichstag.


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No the onus here is on you to provide a source supporting the claim 2/3 of the vote is required to take power because I have already provided a source which states he needed a majority to gain power.


No you have not.
Your source pointed out that he did not have a simple majority in the reichstag.
Your source pointed out that he was appointed not elected.
Your source pointed out that it requires a 2/3 majority of the reichstag to change the constitution.
Your source pointed out that you have no clue what you are talking about.


Oh deary me, you seem to be losing control! My source pointed out that he needed a majority which he very nearly got. That was the contention of my post.

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he was forced to maintain his coalition with the national conservative German National People's Party (DNVP) to control a majority of seats.


The issue was whether he was elected by the Germans (as Hillwilliam claimed) or not. The source makes it clear he only required 50% of the seats to rule (in effect the capacity to pass laws). He got 288. He needed another 35 or so. No other party came even remotely close.

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A majority is a majority is a majority. If you are unfamiliar with the word please see this source http://www.thefreedictionary.com/majority "1. The greater number or part; a number more than half of the total. 2. The amount by which the greater number of votes cast, as in an election, exceeds the total number of remaining votes."

Majority is what hitler did not get at the ballot box. Is there some part of that that escapes you?

And you seem to misunderstand what a majority is.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 11:30:08 AM   
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I made a simple point that he was less than democratic.


No...this is the first time you have said that.
Along those lines how is it that he has been freely elected twice?


It was precisely what I said. Once again I cannot be held to account for your obvious deficiencies.

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It is a well known point,


Perhaps to you but you refuse to share your sources or opinions with us. I for one am not willing to just take your word for it. I have found your post to be less than factual in the past.

It is a very well known point that only a apologist for Stalinistic types would take issue with. It is not that I won't share my sources with "us". I already said I would provide them to anyone else that requested them. It is that I won't share them with you because you simply refuse to accept them.

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and indeed numerous others on here said the same but then you posted a nonsensical response that could not be read into my response whatsoever. It was clearly intended as an excuse to launch trolling attacks.


What you choose to characterize as trolling those with a three digit iq and a pulse regard as a simple request to validate peurile moronic drivel you post

Ah there you go. You characterise it as "validate peurile moronic drivel" even though you request validation. If you know it to be wrong, you do not need any validation do you? Your requests to "validate" are simply excuses to troll for a fight.

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I can easily back up my assertion that he was less than democratic


If you could you would instead you posture...why is that?

Not posturing, just tired of your pathetic trolling games. You play them a few times and it gets very boring.

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which was the blindingly obvious fucking point of my post


Then why all the obfuscation about your meaning?

There was no obfuscation. The point was clear enough for everyone else it seems.

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but shall not do so with you. If anyone else asks for some cites I will be happy to provide them.

Will you post them with invisible ink so I can't see them?

This is the Internet. We don't have invisible fonts, unless they are the ones you are using to post your intelligent posts.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 11:56:01 AM   
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It is a very well known point that only a apologist for Stalinistic types would take issue with.

Then there are those who prefer truth to cold war rhetoric.
So far everytime you have posted that moronic shit you fail to validate it.


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It is not that I won't share my sources with "us". I already said I would provide them to anyone else that requested them. It is that I won't share them with you because you simply refuse to accept them.


When you offer as proof that there is an easter bunny the fact that anually there is an easter egg hunt your validating souce will, of course, come under scrutiny.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 12:13:27 PM   
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It is a very well known point that only a apologist for Stalinistic types would take issue with.

Then there are those who prefer truth to cold war rhetoric.
So far everytime you have posted that moronic shit you fail to validate it.

Here again you are essentially admitting that you only request validation as part of your trolling games by characterising it as "moronic shit".

As before I have to keep repeating myself. Once again if it is truly "moronic shit" it needs no validation, and you would never accept validation because you have already judged it.

I have never adopted Cold-War rhetoric. I simply said the USSR was anoppressive regime responsible for the unjust killing of a great deal of people. To an apologist of Stalin, and tyrannical communict dictators everywhere, that would inevitably seem like taking sides.

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It is not that I won't share my sources with "us". I already said I would provide them to anyone else that requested them. It is that I won't share them with you because you simply refuse to accept them.


When you offer as proof that there is an easter bunny the fact that anually there is an easter egg hunt your validating souce will, of course, come under scrutiny.

Blah, blah, blah. You simply refuse to accept the viewpoint of decent sources because it doesn't suit your world-view. Thats why I refuse to play your trolling games anymore.

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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 1:06:53 PM   
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After I claimed he very nearly got elected with a majority which would be sufficient to rule:

He was not running for anything.
He was not elected to anything.
If his party had 51% of the vote he would still neither have been elected to anything nor automatically appointed to anything.
The chancelor in germany,since it's inception,has been appointed, first by the kaiser then by the president.
Does it ever cross your mind to do a little basic research before joining a discussion?
Or:
Do you just open your mouth to change feet?


Ah the stupid old insults keep coming out. Sad you can't make new ones. I suggest you are again demonstrating a poor grasp on reality because I never said Hitler wasn't appointed Chancellor, neither did I say Chancellors weren't appointed. Clearly I was talking about him getting elected in the sense of his party, over which he maintained absolute authority being elected to government. I said the party that commanded a majority received tended to receive the Chancellorship in the canbinet or during the 1929-33 crisis chancellors could be appointed if they stood a chance of forming a coalition. Initially Hitler was prevented from taking the role but he got it when he was able to form a coalition with the Nationalist party in January 1933 after some back-room deals.


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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 2:46:40 PM   
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RE: Hugo Chavez not long for this world. - 6/8/2012 6:48:05 PM   
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I see that Jumbone still has his profile set to the age of 62 - maybe its for one of his secret agent personas!

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