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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 5/31/2012 7:28:43 PM   
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... we will eventually end up with a government with Sharia law. They will settle the gay marriage issue once and for all.


Are you so fucking stupid that you don't realize that Sharia Law would eliminate Gay marriage?


Pot, meet Kettle.

Are you so fucking stupid that you don't understand sarcasm?

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Dude.... You were too ignorant to understand his post but you insulted him anyway. Don't try to make it about me. Thats even more lame.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 5/31/2012 7:44:27 PM   
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... we will eventually end up with a government with Sharia law. They will settle the gay marriage issue once and for all.


Are you so fucking stupid that you don't realize that Sharia Law would eliminate Gay marriage?


Pot, meet Kettle.

Are you so fucking stupid that you don't understand sarcasm?

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Dude.... You were too ignorant to understand his post but you insulted him anyway. Don't try to make it about me. Thats even more lame.

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Quit now before it`s to late........not that it`ll change anyone`s minds as to the ignorance of that statement.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 5/31/2012 8:36:47 PM   
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With Liberals pushing for unlimited immigration, we will eventually end up with a government with Sharia law. They will settle the gay marriage issue once and for all.


What the hell?

1. Nobody's pushing for unlimited immigration.
2. Every single judge in the US is pledged to follow the US Constitution and US laws. Period. End of story. Some whacko conservatives have created an issue with the hypothetical "What if judges decided to forsake their oath of office and follow Sharia law?" It ain't gonna happen.
3. The above ruling regarding the DOMA involved real judges evaluating real laws using the real US Constitution. Much stronger than ain't-gonna-happen hypotheticals.
4. You seem to have some idea that new judges will overturn the entire body of existing US law in order to impose Sharia law. Please study civics and how laws come into being, and how they are required to fit into existing law.




you need to get your hands on some good old law books and you will see that the constitution is and always has been bullshit.

Literally everything and anything you can imagine is constitutional when it comes to what the gubafia can do.

rights of the state and people? 10th? bullshit.

if that were true there would be no need for any court ruling on gay marriage rights in the first place because the right would have fallen upon the declaration of the partys and the contract.

BUT IT DONT, it falls on the state creating statutory law and granting permission.

constitutions are just funny looking toilet paper.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 12:42:17 AM   
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So what is the Supreme Court going to do?


With this court? Who knows.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 3:49:21 AM   
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Dude.... You were too ignorant to understand his post but you insulted him anyway. Don't try to make it about me. Thats even more lame.

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I understood it perfectly. A hardcore Right noob spouted off with an ignorant, self contradictory 'talking point' that was worthy of Beck. You decided you had to protect him from an ebulll Wiberal.
Why don't you let the boy defend himself if he choses to?
You cannot pretend to know what went thru his mind..................Unless he's one of your socks.

Got a sock puppet there SD?

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 6:47:49 AM   
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With Liberals pushing for unlimited immigration, we will eventually end up with a government with Sharia law. They will settle the gay marriage issue once and for all.


Since this is just ignorant and hateful, I will only ask the obvious question. Are you as ignorant as the above statement implies?


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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 6:59:23 AM   
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you need to get your hands on some good old law books and you will see that the constitution is and always has been bullshit.



RealOne, there are two forms of law - written law and case law. Written law is what is on the books, and case law is how it's applied. Judges will take their cases and evaluate them in light of existing case law, the Constitution, and what is reasonable.

You have a habit of going back to 200 year old books and seeing how laws were written back then. The laws have changed since.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 7:39:34 AM   
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Are you so fucking stupid that you don't realize that Sharia Law would eliminate Gay marriage?


I, for one, would welcome Sharia law in the United States. I'm sick and tired of these uppity women speaking out of turn, walking around without escorts, blatantly showing their faces and thus inciting unnatural lusts in men...

Okay folks, seriously now. I believe that we need a constitutional amendment to settle this marriage nonsense once and for all (although I am dubious it would ever happen). This amendment would:

Define a marriage as a civil union between two or more (I see no reason to leave the polys out) consenting adults that creates a familial relationship that did not exist before. You have such a relationship with parents, siblings cousins, etc, by virtue of birth. Marriage, in essence, would be making someone who is not a relative into one.

Recognize, from a strictly legal point of view, that marriage is also a civil contract allowing joint filing of tax returns, etc.

Mandate that civil employees (judges, the town clerk, whatever) who perform marriages do so without regard to any personal religious objections they may have. You are an agent of the government and the government has no business engaging in unwarranted discrimination against its citizens. If you can't uphold the duties of your office then you shouldn't have it.

Continue to allow religious ministers to perform marriages for their followers and mandate that they cannot be compelled to perform a marriage that violates their conscious... thus protecting Freedom of Religion. In such instances they would be temporarily acting as a government agent but would not be considered as such full time and so would not be bound to the non-discrimination clause.

Allow partners in a marriage to a no fault divorce and receive an equal portion of the marriage assets (I can hear the divorce lawyers howling already) Perhaps to prevent people from being scammed there would have to be a waiting period (say, seven years) before the "no fault" kicked in. Divorce would still be allowed right away in cases with cause (eg domestic violence).

Yeah, I'm still tumbling these ideas around and can see that some tweaking would be needed but the bottom line is: We need to clearly define what a marriage is, how it begins and how it ends.



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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 1:34:33 PM   
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With Liberals pushing for unlimited immigration, we will eventually end up with a government with Sharia law. They will settle the gay marriage issue once and for all.


What the hell?

1. Nobody's pushing for unlimited immigration.
2. Every single judge in the US is pledged to follow the US Constitution and US laws. Period. End of story. Some whacko conservatives have created an issue with the hypothetical "What if judges decided to forsake their oath of office and follow Sharia law?" It ain't gonna happen.
3. The above ruling regarding the DOMA involved real judges evaluating real laws using the real US Constitution. Much stronger than ain't-gonna-happen hypotheticals.
4. You seem to have some idea that new judges will overturn the entire body of existing US law in order to impose Sharia law. Please study civics and how laws come into being, and how they are required to fit into existing law.



I understand your reasoning. But consider the birthrate among immigrants has surpassed all other categories of Americans this year for the first time so that in a generation or two these naturalized by birth citizens could vote to change our and their laws. In other words, we have been invaded by immigrants who fuck like rabbits and then in a generation or two their children will vote to do away with gay marriage. Life is tough under their laws.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 1:39:48 PM   
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So what is the Supreme Court going to do?


With this court? Who knows.


I think we do. We always did. They decide using the law and logic and wisdom. But that is another thread.

But hey, this looks to be a very bad month for Obama starting with today's unemployment figures. Oh, and the revised ones that were spun last month, by -25%. Big revision.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 1:48:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		By the way, just because some Federal Appeals court rules agains a law does not mean "a victory for gay marriage".

For example, Obama care was struck down by a Federal Appeals court and upheld by several others but it meant little since the case was taken up by the Supreme court who btw strikes it down this month.

So let me leave you with a more interesting headline from August 12, 2011:

Federal appeals court strikes down health insurance requirement

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/7029434-418/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-health-insurance-requirement.html

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 2:00:38 PM   
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the birthrate among immigrants


No. The birthrate among nonwhites.





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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 2:24:32 PM   
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With Liberals pushing for unlimited immigration, we will eventually end up with a government with Sharia law. They will settle the gay marriage issue once and for all.


What the hell?

1. Nobody's pushing for unlimited immigration.
2. Every single judge in the US is pledged to follow the US Constitution and US laws. Period. End of story. Some whacko conservatives have created an issue with the hypothetical "What if judges decided to forsake their oath of office and follow Sharia law?" It ain't gonna happen.
3. The above ruling regarding the DOMA involved real judges evaluating real laws using the real US Constitution. Much stronger than ain't-gonna-happen hypotheticals.
4. You seem to have some idea that new judges will overturn the entire body of existing US law in order to impose Sharia law. Please study civics and how laws come into being, and how they are required to fit into existing law.



I understand your reasoning. But consider the birthrate among immigrants has surpassed all other categories of Americans this year for the first time so that in a generation or two these naturalized by birth citizens could vote to change our and their laws. In other words, we have been invaded by immigrants who fuck like rabbits and then in a generation or two their children will vote to do away with gay marriage. Life is tough under their laws.

Racist much there Arturus?

Um you did know that this topic was about GAY marriage neh?
Maybe if we only allowed Gay immigrants in? They don't breed.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 6:12:36 PM   
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So what is the Supreme Court going to do?


With this court? Who knows.


I think we do. We always did. They decide using the law and logic and wisdom. But that is another thread.

But hey, this looks to be a very bad month for Obama starting with today's unemployment figures. Oh, and the revised ones that were spun last month, by -25%. Big revision.


Unemployment figures? April 8.1, May 8.2?

Thats a big revision? U6 figures went from 14.5 in April to 14.8 in May.

Is that what you are hooking your hopes on?

Thats a far cry from the high of 17.2... ;)

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 6:19:57 PM   
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By the way, just because some Federal Appeals court rules agains a law does not mean "a victory for gay marriage".

For example, Obama care was struck down by a Federal Appeals court and upheld by several others but it meant little since the case was taken up by the Supreme court who btw strikes it down this month.

So let me leave you with a more interesting headline from August 12, 2011:

Federal appeals court strikes down health insurance requirement

http://www.suntimes.com/news/nation/7029434-418/federal-appeals-court-strikes-down-health-insurance-requirement.html


Btw I never said it was a victory. You do know the difference between someone posting a news article and someone posting their own opinion... or I would hope you do by now. Never once did I claim it was a victory.

The only victory I see in this that it goes before the Supreme Court. But I am sure that has missed your notice.

As far as this court...


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I think we do. We always did. They decide using the law and logic and wisdom. But that is another thread.


That is actually pretty funny considering it was that court who brought us Citizens United.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/1/2012 6:20:04 PM   
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the birthrate among immigrants


No. The birthrate among nonwhites.




Good one!

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/2/2012 12:54:05 AM   
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Dude.... You were too ignorant to understand his post but you insulted him anyway. Don't try to make it about me. Thats even more lame.

-SD-

I understood it perfectly. A hardcore Right noob spouted off with an ignorant, self contradictory 'talking point' that was worthy of Beck. You decided you had to protect him from an ebulll Wiberal.
Why don't you let the boy defend himself if he choses to?
You cannot pretend to know what went thru his mind..................Unless he's one of your socks.

Got a sock puppet there SD?


ROFLMAO! Clearly you did not understand him at all. For that matter, you cannot pretend to know what he was saying any more than I, so by your own standard your insulting him was completely unfounded and out of line.

Incidentally, I couldn't help but notice that after whining about people standing up for other people that you don't have a single issue about others standing up for you. Did you have to IM your buddy Owner59 to come to your rescue? Is that why you decided not to cry about him standing up to protect you from the mean ol' conservative?

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/2/2012 1:04:37 AM   
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If anyone wants DOMA overturned by the Supreme Court, they should probably hire better lawyers than the bumbling idiots Obama sent to defend Obamacare.

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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/2/2012 4:30:10 AM   
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RE: Federal appeals court rules Defense of Marriage Act... - 6/2/2012 5:06:49 AM   
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Dude.... You were too ignorant to understand his post but you insulted him anyway. Don't try to make it about me. Thats even more lame.

-SD-

I understood it perfectly. A hardcore Right noob spouted off with an ignorant, self contradictory 'talking point' that was worthy of Beck. You decided you had to protect him from an ebulll Wiberal.
Why don't you let the boy defend himself if he choses to?
You cannot pretend to know what went thru his mind..................Unless he's one of your socks.

Got a sock puppet there SD?


For that matter, you cannot pretend to know what he was saying any more than I,

-SD-


Let's take this statement as a stand alone. One one hand, you explain to me what he REALLY meant. Then, a few posts later, you say you cannot know what he was saying. Self contradictory much?

As for O59, sometimes, we agree, sometimes we disagree.

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