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My Master has changed - 10/29/2004 8:42:54 PM   
kathy43432NAN


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Status: offline 		My Master seems to have changed...we live about 2 hrs apart and our encounters are going to be less over the winter mos. My concern is not that he is content with our meetings and the pleasure I offer him, but he has made 2 attempts in the past 4 wks to bring another sub (I am His slave and enjoy that role very much) into our scene. He is disappointed that they have not worked out. I am not wanting to share my Master but i will, it is His pleasure that is most important. Now he has made contact with a non sub who has asked him to 'mentor' her 18 y/o niece. He is playing an unsafe (sex)game here and does not seem to understand my need for his attention right now, I am feeling pushed aside and very vulnerable. His idea of mentoring bothers me, he is planning (and he is 30 yrs older than she) he claims to be grooming her for a Master when I believe he wants the thrill of the sexual attention of a young girl. She is still in high school and he eluded that in 8 mos things could change. I think he is wanting her now. I am 50. Please help me thru this emotional roller coaster. He says I need not worry, but I am aching and feel alone.
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RE: My Master has changed - 10/29/2004 9:20:47 PM   
sub4hire


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Status: offline 		Sorry to hear of your dilemna. Sadly it sounds as if it may not work out.
However, I'd suggest talking it all out with him. Tell him your concerns.
With the right amount of communication you might be able to come through it
ok.
Good Luck

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/29/2004 11:12:20 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		In your profile you state that both you and your Master are married, but to different spouses. It seems to me that your relationship started under dubious circumstances. I can't see how you expected any better than you are getting.

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 1:06:04 AM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		I dont see what the problem is your profile says your bi curious looking for a partner..either bottom or top..

as to the 18 year old.. I would question.. a her legal age??? and b the morality .. but thats just me... sounds to me like a group of swingers looking for a new thrill.. but then I am a known to call them like I see them.

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 6:52:43 AM   
kathy43432NAN


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Status: offline 		Being with another female while with my master is not the problem. I am actually disappointed these 2 attempts failed. But how do i deal with his 'mentoring' an 18 y/o child who is wanting a father figure in her life. She comes from a rough background and I as a health care professional am afraid for both of us. Yes, i feel a twinge of jealousy here BUT, his 'grooming' her for her 1st Master is little more than his desire to tap into something young and innocent. I find it unsettling...and i dont know how to deal with it

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 6:57:35 AM   
kathy43432NAN


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Status: offline 		We are both totally devoted to our families. We found each other and that part of our life is not for anyone to share, only us. Thank you for your reply but it was not much help in helping me deal with my concerns. I dont need a lecture on being married, I was hoping for some insight from a Master who could help me. Can you help?

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 7:32:12 AM   
INSIDEYOURMIND


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kathy43432NAN
We found each other and that part of our life is not for anyone to share, only us.


This is the part that troubles me as well, from that comment, I gather that neither of your spouses are aware of this affair.

If he is not true to wife, and their relationship, why should he have to be honest with you.
He already has you on the side, why not another?

If you were as devoted as you say, you would communicate with your husband, either bring him into the lifestyle, or at least let him know that you need to seek this elsewhere.

You state because of her background, your being in the healthcare field, has made you afraid from both of you, aren't you putting your spouses at the same risk?

This lifestyle is not only about sex, and being kinky, but it is all about, Nobility, Honor, Respect, and Trust.

You are not having a relationship, you are having an affair, there typically is no good ending to those stories.

Your Master did not change, he is just showing you the same stripes as he had when he found you.

< Message edited by INSIDEYOURMIND -- 10/30/2004 7:33:08 AM >

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 7:33:44 AM   
Sylverdawn


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Status: offline 		Ive always been of the mindset if your gut tells you something is wrong its wrong.. while I have issues with your concept of family devotion.. thats yours to face when you look in the mirror not mine... mentoring here seems to me to be little more than a reason for a couple of kinky old guys to get their hands on a young girl.. but she is 18 and can say no.... as a health care professional I am sure you are a ware of the mental health risks involved in bdsm activities and *mentoring* in my experience no matter the age or the people involved is just a euphemism for diddling the kitty..

so my advice is as always..be responsible for your own choices.. u know whats going on.. and if you cant live with it.. get out.

< Message edited by Sylverdawn -- 10/30/2004 7:34:56 AM >

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 7:37:51 AM   
stormiKnightBEAR


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Status: offline 		Pardon this girl for replying....... as she is not a Master.

Goodness gracious!!!!!

Ok, here are some point to remember. Based on your previous post.

* you are a s l a v e, which means that if you are b o t h on the sly, you should know the score.

* what was the agreement to the terms of your service? Did you both promise not to see or "mentor/serve" others?

which brings us to the next question......

* IF (again from what you have written) you are both married and "found each other and that part of our life is not for
anyone else to share, only us".........have you concidered that you and the 18 yr old might not be the only ones he is
seeing? Quiet frankly, the man while using the term Dom is merely looking for a "springy" sex life by having various
parnters.

Before you start.... you should know... this girl is a slave, this girl does belong to a married Master, this girl does share
a house with Master and His wife, and the kicker????? Get this....... SylverDawn introduced this girl to Master. We all
know who is with whom. It is simple.... LOL.... Master has His hands full with a Canadian and a Texas Country girl. Even
He will tell you to hand Him a gun if we even joke about others.

So if this girl were you...... she would be doing one of two things. Live with it...... or get out. It's really that simple.

Any man will dip in the cookie jar if they have a little young thing bat eyes and wiggle and giggle for them.

Just this girl's two cents.

stormi
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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 7:39:29 AM   
willing2serve


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Status: offline 		Your concerns seem justified, however, (dont blast me I am a newbie), it seems that your communication is not there with your Master or he would know of your concerns, before this forum would. I am sure you are looking for someone to tell you that "Master knows best" and you will be alright, but from the outside looking in I see too many red flags. I know your feelings and emoptions run deep, but you do need to face and address this head on. Just because we are submissives, we are not weak. One of the main responsibilities of a Master is the sound physical and emotional well-being of his slave, am I not correct? Again I am learning, this road will be full of hard knocks and hard whacks for me, of this I am sure of (smiling). We can all just support and help each other.


~D~

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 7:55:30 AM   
cheeba0228


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Status: offline 		i ususally hold my comments till the end but i agree here by insideyourmind. If his wife doesnt know about you, then what make you so important to him that he would behave any differently with you? You are with a man who does not commit and will get his sexual pleasures anywhere he can. My suggestion as brutal and harsh as it is, is that you either leard to deal and live with it or get out while you can. I dont believe people change that much. Besides maybe if you talk to him and tell him that your upset by these actions and want to leave that he wont want to lose you and will give up on this temporary 18yr old pleasure. Even he has to know that the 18yr old cant last forever.

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 8:02:19 AM   
cheeba0228


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Status: offline 		reading all of these I have a question for Kathy are you sub or slave, and do you know the difference (yes its been a topic quite frequently on this board, and i dont think anyone really has the answer)?

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BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING "HOLY
SHIT......WHAT A RIDE!


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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 8:25:17 AM   
INSIDEYOURMIND


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quote:

ORIGINAL: cheeba0228
You are with a man who does not commit and will get his sexual pleasures anywhere he can

cheeba,
Isn't she doing the same thing?

< Message edited by INSIDEYOURMIND -- 10/30/2004 8:26:19 AM >

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 11:32:56 AM   
jillwfsub4blkdom


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quote:

ORIGINAL: kathy43432NAN

My Master seems to have changed...we live about 2 hrs apart and our encounters are going to be less over the winter mos. My concern is not that he is content with our meetings and the pleasure I offer him, but he has made 2 attempts in the past 4 wks to bring another sub (I am His slave and enjoy that role very much) into our scene. He is disappointed that they have not worked out. I am not wanting to share my Master but i will, it is His pleasure that is most important.


kathy,
it seems to me with that statement that i am not wanting to share my Master but i will that you have some conflicting feelings in regards to that. i also would have some apprehension about Him mentoring an 18 year old. With their vast difference in ages, i am not sure how much the two would have in common.

jill

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 12:31:50 PM   
happypervert


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quote:

Yes, i feel a twinge of jealousy here BUT, his 'grooming' her for her 1st Master is little more than his desire to tap into something young and innocent.

IMO, I think there is a lot more than just a "twinge of jealousy" -- I'd say you feel seriously threatened and rightfully so. He's got a regular harem with you, the two other subs, and now the one he claims to be mentoring . . . oh, and his family too. No wonder he doesn't have much time for you.

As others have suggested you could talk to him, but I'm not sure it would do any good. If your feeling neglected because he is busy with his others, under the circumstances you should consider finding someone else to devote your time to.

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 12:35:51 PM   
afmvdp


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Status: offline 		Mentoring has nothing to do with the difference of ages. If he is being genuine in his desire to help her into exploring a side of her, usually sex between the two isn't involved. Also has this so called "master" actually experienced enough to have something worthwhile to train.

If you enter a relation on false pretenses and lies, it will stay that way. If he's just using the excuse of trying to mentor her to get a young girl in the sack, well then it lays claim to who he really is and you should take note of that. Manipulation is manipulation.

I've rarely met anyone who had a long lasting, meaningful relationship founded on infidelity and alter egos...

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 12:50:10 PM   
Estring


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Status: offline 		Well, I guess if you are looking for a silver lining in this relationship, I can't help you there. He isn't faithful to his wife. He isn't faithful to you. What more do you need to know?

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RE: My Master has changed - 10/30/2004 10:51:43 PM   
LadySonelle


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My concern is not only for you, but for the 18 year old and for the person who is offering her to your master.

The person offering the girl, you describe as a "non-sub". But you don't describe the person as a Dominant either... Is the GIRL submissive? You say later that she came from a "rough background"... if she was/is abused, then maybe to her, submission is not a kink but a desperate attempt to cope with more powerful, abusive, people in her life.

This whole situation feels wrong. From My vantage point you need to:
1. Talk with your Master. Consider ending the relationship.
2. Talk with your husband! HE is non-consensually cuckolded by you and your master. It's wrong and NO amount of rationalising will change that.
3. Refuse to "mentor" this 18 year old! SHE is being potentially nonconsensually used by those around her!

The title Master, or Mistress (or Dominant FTM) is a title of HONOUR and ANY... EVERY "dominant" who lies, cheats on a spouse nonconsensually, preys on a child and/or "prepares" said child to be given to yet aNOTHER person is NOT legitimately Dominant!

Your "master"s concern is for his own tallywhacker! Certainly not for you, for your husband, for the other submissives, for the girl. or for the person she's being "given" to!

ANY "dominant" who bases his or her scene on lies and deception ought to be horsewhipped and ridden out of BDSM on a rail. You are NOT his doormat nor his property (when push comes to shove, this whole scene is a GAME and in a court of law you are a free woman!) and you ought to show him the door. You deserve better, your husband deserves better, the girl deserves better.

Submissives, slaves, are treasures, valuable and wonderful people, for the most part and whose tendancies toward submission to power make them, in many ways, peculiarly vulnerable to such men. It makes My blood boil to see such things. Fortunately, most subs are ALSO highly intelligent and resillient and can walk away from danger if they see it in time. Open your eyes. You are WORTH more!

Lady Sonelle


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RE: My Master has changed - 10/31/2004 4:46:02 PM   
cheeba0228


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Status: offline 		yes she is but I didnt say she wasnt. the discussion was about him, so I kept my comments pointed in that direction.

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LIFE'S JOURNEY IS NOT TO ARRIVE AT THE GRAVE SAFELY IN A WELL PRESERVED
BODY, BUT RATHER TO SKID IN SIDEWAYS, TOTALLY WORN OUT, SHOUTING "HOLY
SHIT......WHAT A RIDE!


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RE: My Master has changed - 10/31/2004 7:44:03 PM   
stormiKnightBEAR


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Status: offline 		Well said Ma'am

(Must say you gave me a laugh with the talleywacker.... as it's the word this girl uses as well....

well.......cept when stormi's temper gets the best of her... LOL....000000000ppppppppsss)


Be Well Ma'am,
stormi
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PROUD TO BE TEXAN AND AMERICAN BY BIRTH~
GOD BLESS TEXAS AND THE U.S.A !!!!

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