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subspaceseven -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 4:23:58 AM)
The one thing this election shows is...it is no longer about anything other than money. The GOP spent $35.7 million compared with the Dems $17.4 million. Our political system has become nothing more than a huge propaganda machine, not just in this race across the country. It's all about the money, the news reported that in the presidential election they are looking at spending well over a BILLION dollars, for a public service job....citizens united is going to destroy our democracy, only the super rich will be heard All the news is about walker, what about the senate seats???????? 2 GOP victories, the rest to close to tell yet

FirmhandKY -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 7:26:20 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subspaceseven The one thing this election shows is...it is no longer about anything other than money. The GOP spent $35.7 million compared with the Dems $17.4 million. Our political system has become nothing more than a huge propaganda machine, not just in this race across the country. It's all about the money, the news reported that in the presidential election they are looking at spending well over a BILLION dollars, for a public service job....citizens united is going to destroy our democracy, only the super rich will be heard All the news is about walker, what about the senate seats???????? 2 GOP victories, the rest to close to tell yet So, by your logic, when Obama out spent McCain, and accepted anonymous donations, he was elected simply because he was able to finance a "huge propaganda machine"? Firm

Iamsemisweet -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 7:48:17 AM)
I am certainly no fan of Scott Walker, and I think he is going to be indicted soon. However, it is correct that Public Employee unions need to be brought under control. Unionization of public sector employees is a failed experiment. There is one trillion dollars of unfunded public pension liability in this country, and that doesn't include the Feds. How long before that bankrupts some of the states? And even for the states that don't go banko, how long are taxpayers going to be content accepting lower levels of service so pension liabilities can be met? It had to stop, at least prospectively. That is the ugly truth. My Love is a fed, and is relying on his pretty cushy pension to retire, so I understand the importance of these pensions. But we have to be realistic as a country, and it is obvious that the states can't afford this burden.

subspaceseven -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 7:54:04 AM)
Basically, now with CU, unlimited funding is the new game in town, foreign government, no problem support who kisses your ass, want huge tax breaks...ditto... What I'm saying is now that funding and spending has no controls, the people elected will be chosen by who spends the most and they will be in the pockets of who gave them the money When Obama raised money, as with Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagen, there was the concept of limited amounts from people and corporations, foreign governments Not any more, Look at Koch brothers bragging about raising 1 billion for the fall election giving 150 million of their own money, I'm sure that has nothing to do with self interest, or to sway a vote on tax rates Everybody is bought in Washington, if Mr Smith went to Washington today he would be thrown out of town by the lobbying industry Buy into the BS of making it Dems VS GOP about who spends more one party or the other and ignore the big picture, the people of this country lose when a handful of people control those in power based on nothing more than money

Hillwilliam -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 8:01:02 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: subspaceseven The one thing this election shows is...it is no longer about anything other than money. The GOP spent $35.7 million compared with the Dems $17.4 million. Our political system has become nothing more than a huge propaganda machine, not just in this race across the country. It's all about the money, the news reported that in the presidential election they are looking at spending well over a BILLION dollars, for a public service job....citizens united is going to destroy our democracy, only the super rich will be heard All the news is about walker, what about the senate seats???????? 2 GOP victories, the rest to close to tell yet So, by your logic, when Obama out spent McCain, and accepted anonymous donations, he was elected simply because he was able to finance a "huge propaganda machine"? Firm Nahh, he won because of his vast experience with international diplomacy. [8\|] The only reason Obama beat McCain is because Dubya had made such a fuckall of the country. Charlie Manson could have beaten McCain after 8 years of Dubya.

FirmhandKY -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 8:01:36 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subspaceseven When Obama raised money, as with Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagen, there was the concept of limited amounts from people and corporations, foreign governments SSS, Obama did not accept Federal campaign funding and was therefore not restricted in many ways for his campaign donations. He raised more money than any other previous Presidential candidate, much outside the accountability of campaign finance laws. As well, his campaign removed the requirements for address certification on credit card donations, making it impossible to actually determine "who" contributed to his campaign. So, I'd have to take some exception to placing him in the same category as Bush, Clinton, Bush and Reagan in that regard. Firm

Musicmystery -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 8:28:58 AM)
quote: Public Employee unions need to be brought under control. Unionization of public sector employees is a failed experiment. There is one trillion dollars of unfunded public pension liability in this country, and that doesn't include the Feds. Woah. How is this the fault of the public sector unions? (1) the governments agreed to the pensions (2) the governments failed to fund them--and a lot of other things (3) gosh golly gee wiz, now it seems they're a little short. They should have done what Nebraska did--fund them all along, and avoid the current crisis. Duh. Seems to me irresponsible governments need to be brought under control. And that means funding things instead of cutting taxes to buy votes.

Musicmystery -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 8:32:19 AM)
quote: He raised more money than any other previous Presidential candidate, much outside the accountability of campaign finance laws. And largely with small donations from many many private citizens. We call it democracy. These citizens are people, just like corporations.

Musicmystery -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 8:33:25 AM)
quote: The only reason Obama beat McCain is because Dubya had made such a fuckall of the country. Bingo.

FirmhandKY -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 11:15:28 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: He raised more money than any other previous Presidential candidate, much outside the accountability of campaign finance laws. And largely with small donations from many many private citizens. We call it democracy. These citizens are people, just like corporations. There is little or no accountability in his donations. You are assuming. There are accounts of people's name being used for donations, and when those individuals were contacted, they claimed not to have done so, and not even have a credit card. How's that "Most Transparent administration in history" working out for ya? Firm

servantforuse -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 11:46:46 AM)
It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.

mnottertail -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 12:18:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: He raised more money than any other previous Presidential candidate, much outside the accountability of campaign finance laws. And largely with small donations from many many private citizens. We call it democracy. These citizens are people, just like corporations. There is little or no accountability in his donations. You are assuming. There are accounts of people's name being used for donations, and when those individuals were contacted, they claimed not to have done so, and not even have a credit card. How's that "Most Transparent administration in history" working out for ya? Firm I would assume it bullshit, frankly firm. Who and how did someone get a confidentail donors list and call them without being shot for violating federal law?

Musicmystery -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 12:27:59 PM)
quote: You are assuming. As are you. quote: How's that "Most Transparent administration in history" working out for ya? It's not, except for health care and that at least I can trust the President isn't a complete moron. If you bothered to read or ask my positions instead of making them up, you'd know that. Alas, Maher is right--Dems are lame, but today's Republicans are nuts. That leaves me with lame Dems. Honestly, the Republicans should be CLOBBERING Obama. That they're not says just how rudderless they are.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 12:44:53 PM)
But they didn't fund them. Now what? It isn't a matter of blaming the unions. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Public Employee unions need to be brought under control. Unionization of public sector employees is a failed experiment. There is one trillion dollars of unfunded public pension liability in this country, and that doesn't include the Feds. Woah. How is this the fault of the public sector unions? (1) the governments agreed to the pensions (2) the governments failed to fund them--and a lot of other things (3) gosh golly gee wiz, now it seems they're a little short. They should have done what Nebraska did--fund them all along, and avoid the current crisis. Duh. Seems to me irresponsible governments need to be brought under control. And that means funding things instead of cutting taxes to buy votes.

Musicmystery -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 12:48:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet But they didn't fund them. Now what? It isn't a matter of blaming the unions. quote: ORIGINAL: Musicmystery quote: Public Employee unions need to be brought under control. Unionization of public sector employees is a failed experiment. There is one trillion dollars of unfunded public pension liability in this country, and that doesn't include the Feds. Woah. How is this the fault of the public sector unions? (1) the governments agreed to the pensions (2) the governments failed to fund them--and a lot of other things (3) gosh golly gee wiz, now it seems they're a little short. They should have done what Nebraska did--fund them all along, and avoid the current crisis. Duh. Seems to me irresponsible governments need to be brought under control. And that means funding things instead of cutting taxes to buy votes. Put it this way. Imagine this in the private sector. As a condition of employment, you accept a compensation package that includes a pension. Then your employer, knowing in advance of this obligation, fails to fund the pension. What's your next move? I'll bet it's not "straighten out the employees."

papassion -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 12:55:20 PM)
As more and more people get college educations, it becomes harder and harder for Democrats to push their fantasy world of free everything for everybody. Even an arts major gets enough math to understand that the piper must eventually be paid. And they understand the person to pay the piper is ME! They understand there is no free lunch the Democrats try to push. Being outspent by walker's team caused the lopsided win? No, taxpayers tired of paying for public sector union worker's higher wages and benefits, BETTER than the taxpayers get, caused the victory. The Democrats and unions got their asses handed to them yesterday big time! And the pathetic "obama got good counts in the exit polls!" That would depend on which area the poll takers were in, wouldn't it Now the talking heads are saying the unions are pissed Obama didn't support them in this fight. They unions now might feel "piss on Obama" when he needs them!

DomKen -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 1:00:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY There are accounts of people's name being used for donations, and when those individuals were contacted, they claimed not to have done so, and not even have a credit card. Link? (bonus points if it is somewhere legit not part of the RW hate media)

mnottertail -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 1:02:05 PM)
Well, thats all over the map, especially since the teabaggers are telling us that college educated folk are liberally indoctrinated and turn into democrats. Since they somehow understand there is no free lunch that the democrats are trying to push by raising taxes, how do they intertwine that with the borrow and spend of the republicans leading to the highest debt in our nations history? Didn't they get that math class in college too?

Musicmystery -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 1:07:28 PM)
quote: As more and more people get college educations, it becomes harder and harder for Democrats to push their fantasy world of free everything for everybody. And as long as you and others make up shit, it's gonna be hard to have any discussions about the real world.

BamaD -> RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61 percent of the votes to him. (6/6/2012 1:08:44 PM)
According to exit polls John Kerry won in 2004

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