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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 1:13:03 PM   
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according to the exit polls in wisconsin, st wrinklemeat singlehandedly defeated the soviet union, tailgunner joe was a republican icon, and adolph hitler liked the wisconsin sharp cheddar, I wouldnt read anything into wisconsin politics. 

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 1:38:05 PM   
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OK, let's compare the states' situation to the private sector.

First, if a business has made agreements that is causing it to be unable to fund its essential business, then no doubt it would not continue to make such agreements, at least prospectively.

Second, if a business had made agreements that were causing it to be insolvent, bankruptcy is an option. IN a bankruptcy, one of the items that would be looked at is agreements like, say, pension liability.

Just ignoring the problem won't make it go away. Like it or not, the states are going to be in a world of hurt for years to come because of the pension liability. I can't imagine that taxpayers aren't going to rebel over giving up essential services, 15% tuition hikes and fees for everything, and yet be thrilled to pay pensions. It is an ugly truth, but a truth, nonetheless.


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But they didn't fund them. Now what?
It isn't a matter of blaming the unions.
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Public Employee unions need to be brought under control. Unionization of public sector employees is a failed experiment. There is one trillion dollars of unfunded public pension liability in this country, and that doesn't include the Feds.


Woah.

How is this the fault of the public sector unions?

(1) the governments agreed to the pensions
(2) the governments failed to fund them--and a lot of other things
(3) gosh golly gee wiz, now it seems they're a little short.

They should have done what Nebraska did--fund them all along, and avoid the current crisis.

Duh.

Seems to me irresponsible governments need to be brought under control. And that means funding things instead of cutting taxes to buy votes.





Put it this way.

Imagine this in the private sector.

As a condition of employment, you accept a compensation package that includes a pension.

Then your employer, knowing in advance of this obligation, fails to fund the pension.

What's your next move?

I'll bet it's not "straighten out the employees."



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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 2:58:34 PM   
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He raised more money than any other previous Presidential candidate, much outside the accountability of campaign finance laws.


And largely with small donations from many many private citizens.

We call it democracy. These citizens are people, just like corporations.

There is little or no accountability in his donations. You are assuming.

There are accounts of people's name being used for donations, and when those individuals were contacted, they claimed not to have done so, and not even have a credit card.

How's that "Most Transparent administration in history" working out for ya?

Firm


I would assume it bullshit, frankly firm. Who and how did someone get a confidentail donors list and call them without being shot for violating federal law? 


Obama Accepting Untraceable Donations
By Matthew Mosk
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
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Sen. Barack Obama's presidential campaign is allowing donors to use largely untraceable prepaid credit cards that could potentially be used to evade limits on how much an individual is legally allowed to give or to mask a contributor's identity, campaign officials confirmed.

Faced with a huge influx of donations over the Internet, the campaign has also chosen not to use basic security measures to prevent potentially illegal or anonymous contributions from flowing into its accounts, aides acknowledged. Instead, the campaign is scrutinizing its books for improper donations after the money has been deposited.

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The Obama team's disclosures came in response to questions from The Washington Post about the case of Mary T. Biskup, a retired insurance manager from Manchester, Mo., who turned up on Obama's FEC reports as having donated $174,800 to the campaign. Contributors are limited to giving $2,300 for the general election.

Biskup, who had scores of Obama contributions attributed to her, said in an interview that she never donated to the candidate. "That's an error," she said. Moreover, she added, her credit card was never billed for the donations, meaning someone appropriated her name and made the contributions with another card.

When asked whether the campaign takes steps to verify whether a donor's name matches the name on the credit card used to make a payment, Obama's campaign replied in an e-mail: "Name-matching is not a standard check conducted or made available in the credit card processing industry. We believe Visa and MasterCard do not even have the ability to do this.



DUBIOUS DONATIONSBAM'S WEB SITE INVITES FRAUD
By SCOTT W. JOHNSON
Last Updated: 3:36 AM, October 27, 2008
Posted: 3:36 AM, October 27, 2008

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Barack Obama has proved the greatest fund-raiser of all time by a long shot. His campaign has raised more than $600 million - $150 million in September alone. But the campaign has also failed to adopt standard protections against fraudulent giving.

The average contribution to Obama in September was just under $86. And federal law only requires the disclosure of identifying information for contributions in excess of $200. Campaigns must keep running totals for each donor and report them once they exceed $200.

The Federal Election Commission says the Obama campaign has reported well over $200 million as coming from contributions of $200 or less. Only a small portion of that sum is attributable to donors the Obama campaign has disclosed.


No presidential campaign has ever before received such a gargantuan sum of money from unidentified contributors.

The campaign's records reveal big contributors with names like "Doodad Pro" (employer: "Loving," profession: "You") and "Good Will" (same employer and profession). Both donated via credit card. Other reports have suggested that some donations come from overseas - raising the question of whether Obama is accepting donations from foreigners, another violation of federal law.


So many donations under the reporting requirements radar ... with not the slightest verification scheme in place ... and $200 million funneled to his last campaign ...

If Obama was a Republican, DomKen and his buddies would be rioting in the streets over the Kock Brothers illegal funding scam.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 3:28:50 PM   
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largely a potentially might be a manufactured joetheplumber deal, or?   Jesus, if that passes as a credible citation of anything.....ooooh,  lets see, I am a socialist billionaire hiding out by buying a prepaid credit card to slap a 3 dollar bill on Obama...thats gonna give me some hefty weight to throw around...

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 3:34:28 PM   
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So many donations under the reporting requirements radar ... with not the slightest verification scheme in place ... and $200 million funneled to his last campaign ...

If Obama was a Republican, DomKen and his buddies would be rioting in the streets over the Kock Brothers illegal funding scam.

Firm




No, not really Firm, nobody is rioting over such dickweasels as Roves (and myriad others) bundling job hiding under the 501 (c)(3)s, we knew that was coming and said so with Citizen United.



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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 4:45:10 PM   
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Honestly, the Republicans should be CLOBBERING Obama. That they're not says just how rudderless they are.




The night is young...

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 5:16:01 PM   
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Obama keeps fucking up, and declaring dumb shit like the Bush tax cuts have got to go, even after his own party advised him against it, it will be the longest four months of Obama's career.

The cracks, they are appearing, and should only get wider.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/6/2012 7:04:25 PM   
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Honestly, the Republicans should be CLOBBERING Obama. That they're not says just how rudderless they are.




The night is young...

The Democrats have certainly never been accused of being well-organized.

Should be easy pickings.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 1:03:53 PM   
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The Democrats have certainly never been accused of being well-organized.



Well ...as organized as a cluster fuck without lube can be.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 1:22:30 PM   
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I am certainly no fan of Scott Walker, and I think he is going to be indicted soon. However, it is correct that Public Employee unions need to be brought under control. Unionization of public sector employees is a failed experiment.



How so?
How many corporations have gone bk because of their failure to fund the pensions they had agreed to?


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There is one trillion dollars of unfunded public pension liability in this country, and that doesn't include the Feds. How long before that bankrupts some of the states? And even for the states that don't go banko, how long are taxpayers going to be content accepting lower levels of service so pension liabilities can be met? It had to stop, at least prospectively. That is the ugly truth.


The ugly truth is someone did not fund the pension fund as required by the contract.
Do all of managements pensions come under the same axe?


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My Love is a fed, and is relying on his pretty cushy pension to retire, so I understand the importance of these pensions.


No you do not seem to have a clue as to the importance of these pensions. This is what people plan to live on for the rest of their lives. It was negotiated in good faith and now you want to back out of the deal.
The pension is not the problem nor the source of the problem. The problem is that it was not funded properly in the beginning...it would appear to me that you have ahold of the wrong end of the stick.


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But we have to be realistic as a country, and it is obvious that the states can't afford this burden.


So if you have kids and after a while it becomes a drag to feed and cloth them so you just tell them "we have to be realistic as a family, it's obvious that me and he can't afford this burden"..."you are on your own kids fuck dat responibiity and keeping my word shit"..

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 1:34:05 PM   
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i read all these remarks seemingly downing obama,,HOW EASLY YOU FORGET THE BUM FUCKING OUR FREEDOMS AND STANDARD OF LIVING TOOK UNDER REPUBLICAN BUSHES ADMINISTRATION,,,I MEAN,,IS THE FUCKING AMERICAN PUBLIC FUCKING RETARDED?!!??!

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 1:40:01 PM   
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It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.



It was a great victory for all the out of state money. Corporations of the US, unite!!

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 1:55:47 PM   
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As more and more people get college educations, it becomes harder and harder for Democrats to push their fantasy world of free everything for everybody.


Perhaps you could show us just where in the dnc platform documents or what ever the fuck they are called state anything about free everything for everybody. If you cannot then your post is nothing more than insipid moronic tripe.



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Even an arts major gets enough math to understand that the piper must eventually be paid.


Would even an arts major get enough math to understand about perspective and porportion?
Is it your belief that somehow an artist would not do well in the sciences and therefore not be smart enough to balance a check book?
How pretentious


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And they understand the person to pay the piper is ME!


You are not the only taxpayer so please save us the dramma.


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They understand there is no free lunch the Democrats try to push.


Is it your suggestion that the republicrats do not pass out free lunch to folk like adm, cargill,microsoft,etc?

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Being outspent by walker's team caused the lopsided win? No, taxpayers tired of paying for public sector union worker's higher wages and benefits, BETTER than the taxpayers get, caused the victory.


You are always pimping about being responsibile yet here you are defending the abrogation of a contract arrived at legally and without fraud or force.
You would further seek to not allow public employees the right to unionize which is in direct contravention of the constitutional protections of free association.
What's up wit dat?



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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 1:58:21 PM   
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It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.



It was a great victory for all the out of state money. Corporations of the US, unite!!


I just love it when you talk dirty to me.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 2:44:21 PM   
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i read all these remarks seemingly downing obama,,HOW EASLY YOU FORGET THE BUM FUCKING OUR FREEDOMS AND STANDARD OF LIVING TOOK UNDER REPUBLICAN BUSHES ADMINISTRATION,,,I MEAN,,IS THE FUCKING AMERICAN PUBLIC FUCKING RETARDED?!!??!

Yes.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 3:20:02 PM   
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i read all these remarks seemingly downing obama,,HOW EASLY YOU FORGET THE BUM FUCKING OUR FREEDOMS AND STANDARD OF LIVING TOOK UNDER REPUBLICAN BUSHES ADMINISTRATION,,,I MEAN,,IS THE FUCKING AMERICAN PUBLIC FUCKING RETARDED?!!??!


Yelling discounts your message.

What part of the Bush admin policies do you believe have "bum fucked" our freedomes and standard of living?

Then I'm going to ask what Obama's policies are in the same areas.

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 3:22:25 PM   
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It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.



It was a great victory for all the out of state money. Corporations of the US, unite!!

hey, hlen!

You are posting this in the wrong thread! Go here.

Firm

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/7/2012 5:58:33 PM   
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It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.



It was a great victory for all the out of state money. Corporations of the US, unite!!

hey, hlen!

You are posting this in the wrong thread! Go here.

Firm

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Cmon Firm, you know it's OK for out of state unions to travel to Ws, protest, and donate money to Democrats... There's no double standard there

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/8/2012 12:29:39 AM   
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It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.



It was a great victory for all the out of state money. Corporations of the US, unite!!

hey, hlen!

You are posting this in the wrong thread! Go here.

Firm

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Raspberries to you!!! { }

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RE: NBC forcasts GOP Governor Walker the winner with 61... - 6/8/2012 1:32:50 AM   
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It was a great victory for the taxpayers of Wisconsin.



It was a great victory for all the out of state money. Corporations of the US, unite!!



Hey! You talking about Jesse Helms and his tankerfulls of money from NY and CA, back in the day?


Fu*k the home state, the money in NY and CA get what they want, and just shut up about it, your state.

Amazing what a few '60's adverts can do for corporate conglomerates and the country, that from a wacko radio advert early '60's cheapo television series host named Reagan. Jesse Helms only started out as a blabermouth idiot on a Raleigh TV station, far above Reagan in the commercial realm, if only localy, but not nearly as national at the time.

Again, it is truly amazing how hardly anyone in NC ever took Helms seriously, in fact, hardly any ever having heard of him, not even in the Raleigh area, until the $$$ from Cali and NY flooded in. No question, *some* were paying attention, elsewhere in the country, to be sure. But not here. Nobody had any use for such f*ckwit, at that time, nobody knew who who he was, in this state, at that time.


There is no such thing as a "state" election, in the proper sense, nor has there been for a long time, just to make ignoramous voters aware of this.

Beware, that "blue state money," all I can tell you.

What damage has been done there ....











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