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Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 1:42:03 AM   
MsGothUk


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I bored of being hounded because I expect certains things from my subs, & all I expect, is that my sub respects himself & takes care of himself, how can I respect a sub that doesn't respect himself? Its not a case of what a sub can do for me, how loyal or willing he is to please me, any man can do that if he reads me right.
I am fussy who I take on......why is that so wrong?
I have only taken on 2 subs in the last 4 years, I still have them both, maybe I just like quality, instead of quantity.
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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 4:53:52 AM   
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*smiles* i am not Domme but what You said makes perfect sence to me!


Be well...
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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 6:05:22 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
I am fussy who I take on......why is that so wrong?
I have only taken on 2 subs in the last 4 years, I still have them both, maybe I just like quality, instead of quantity.


What you describe is the quality of being selective, not shallow.

Often, when we fall within someone's criteria and they don't fall within ours, there is a certain amount of resentment aimed at us and at the universe at large for making it so.

I’ve experienced being rejected a couple of times by someone who truly fit within all my criteria. It is horrid for the ego and it is infuriating. But like most rational people, I take it in stride and I move on. Very quickly I realise that this is the way things are and that someone else has and will want me. I don’t feel the need to focus my resentment on the other for being honest.

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ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
I bored of being hounded


Now here is where things get a little trickier. The last thing I’m going to do is give you a lecture of how to act or how to deal with people. But since you took the time to write this thread soliciting our opinion on why you might be perceived as shallow, here is mine.

I’m not sure how you are “bored” of being hounded. Does it really affect you that much? Why do you let it take such importance in your life? I get a few messages a week from people who really do not meet my requirements but my lack of interest for them does not make me restless.

I’m not sure how you are bored of being “hounded”. Are the men that approach you really that persistent? What is hounding to you? An email applying as a submissive? Someone who keeps emailing you after you said no? If so, did you engage them to reply or were you wishy-washy in your response or did you politely decline? I often just write back: “Thank you for your note. I appreciate you taking the time to write it. My assessment however is that we would not be a good match. I wish you a lot of luck in your search.” I don’t list the reasons, as there is no need to. That will just simply draw them in for a debate. Usually, I get a note saying: “Thank you for being honest and writing back” to which I don’t reply. There is no point.

You have to remember that an ego takes a hit when the person is rejected. Even if the applicant is submissive or masochistic, certainly doesn’t mean they welcome that kind of rejection. I find being kind in my rejection tends to minimize the resentment and decrease the risk of potential drama.

Now here is where it gets trickier MsGoth. I quote from your profile now.

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ORIGINAL: MsGothUk’s profile
***NEWSFLASH***
Thank you for all the timewasters that mailed me so far, as I said on my profile, that you all DIDNT read, I'm looking 4 LOCAL (as in London/UK) & good looking, my age range would be a bonus 2!!!!!
shallow? HELL YEAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!


You self-identify as shallow. I’ve always been a big promoter of “you are what you identify yourself as”.

Calling applicants “timewaters” is your prerogative, and as I wrote earlier, I’m not here to tell you what to do. But you asked for our perception. I perceive this as something provocative and when you provoke, you will often get a reaction.

Whatever you chose to do or self-identify as, embrace it. If you want to cultivate the personae of a shallow Domme, then go for it. But then expect the flack because it does provoke emotional responses. It’s one of the little inconveniences of swimming against the current.

And last but not least, welcome to the boards. You seem to be a strong and assertive woman who really knows what she wants and that is something I respect tremendously. It’s also nice to see a few more non-Americans ;) (Not that I do not love you my little American darlings but I like to see a little colourful diversity)

- LA

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 6:25:05 AM   
MsGothUk


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firstly, thank you for your welcome Lady Angelika.
Sometimes my London slang might be a hindrance to my postings, I will try & refrase as best as....

'bored in being hounded' = almost having arguements to why I have turned somebody down, surely if I say thank you but no thank you, it should be enough, maybe a brief reason to why I think we were not compatible etc.

My profile is a complete attack on how I feel, as you see, it was updated today, I almost want to be proud of being fussy..I want quality, not quantity, it's my right to choose isnt it, & its clear enough.
saying I want 'local' & getting 120+ replies from the States, kinda defeats the option of putting 'local'.
As I'm not looking 4 love, more somebody to escort me to clubs etc, I'm not really into the guys willing to re-locate, maybe I need to be more clearer in my profile, but its a case of why bother, if people can't be arsed to read it?

I'm just having a sunday morning rant..I'll get over my hangover soon enough

MistressGoth

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 6:40:03 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
firstly, thank you for your welcome Lady Angelika.
Sometimes my London slang might be a hindrance to my postings, I will try & refrase as best as....


I completely understand. I have Canadianisms as well as Gallicisms to contend with.

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ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
'bored in being hounded' = almost having arguements to why I have turned somebody down, surely if I say thank you but no thank you, it should be enough, maybe a brief reason to why I think we were not compatible etc.


Uh huh. I know that one well. If they persist, I just delete their notes. I guess I’ve just decided not to let it get to me and it doesn’t.

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ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
My profile is a complete attack on how I feel, as you see, it was updated today, I almost want to be proud of being fussy..I want quality, not quantity, it's my right to choose isnt it, & its clear enough.
saying I want 'local' & getting 120+ replies from the States, kinda defeats the option of putting 'local'.

You and me and half of the collarme community. Welcome to the global village ;)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
As I'm not looking 4 love, more somebody to escort me to clubs etc, I'm not really into the guys willing to re-locate, maybe I need to be more clearer in my profile, but its a case of why bother, if people can't be arsed to read it?

Well, I’ve reworked my profile a little and I find it has minimized the amount of unsuited suitors. You’d be surprised.

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ORIGINAL: MsGothUk
I'm just having a sunday morning rant..I'll get over my hangover soon enough


You must have one hell of a hang over if you think it’s Sunday! ;)

- LA

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 6:41:43 AM   
MsGothUk


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lol..U mean I have another day to recover...yay

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 6:44:26 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MsGothUk

lol..U mean I have another day to recover...yay


Or to cause more damage ;)

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 7:07:20 AM   
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From a subs point of view we face the same dilemma.

We all want someone who meets some basic criteria and if we post it on our profile, we hope people read it and say yes thats me and write or nope thats not me and move on.

But some are so much into the newbie frenzies or into themselves that they dont care what YOU Want, only what they want.

So it makes for inane conversations and wasted time on everyone part. Some people just do not have common sense or courtesy. And yes its annoying but part of the search unfortunately. So from my point of view i nicely say no thank you and hope they get the message and move on. most times they do without me being nasty, but after a while of getting emails that say "hello ... how are you" i finally respond, hello is that all there is to you? and they go away! problem solved and it makes me feel better!

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 7:47:41 AM   
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i do not believe that wanting certain things in a sub is being shallow, we as subs do the same with Dominants. that is natural. but i have come across situations where i was put down for not being what someone wanted. (i'm not saying you're doing this...this is in general)

right now as a sub i'm not seeking my One...i've been having medical problems that i know at this point would keep me from being the best me...yet i've had Doms that seem to insist on writing me about possibly getting involved with them. then finding out i'm not what they would want. they've put me down. them apparently not taking into consideration that 1) i'm not looking, 2) i'm not the one that contacted THEM 3) i have medical problems at the moment that were NOT caused by me that of course spill over into other areas of my life...ie.. weight gain because of lack of being able to exerise and stuff...out of work...well, duh, just had 2 surgeries this year alone..within a few months. Most have been polite, have told me they wish me well in healing and in getting things back in order and to perhaps talk after that has happened. but as i've said....i'm surprised at the ones that have put me down acting like its an insult to them, how dare i talk to them and waste their time, and even how dare i even exist.

sometimes its not what we say but how it comes across and how its recieved by the other person.

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/30/2004 8:53:11 AM   
proudsub


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quote:

I bored of being hounded


After looking at your profile i'm not surprised you are bing hounded. What sub wouldn't respond to that.

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/31/2004 10:12:09 PM   
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Sheesh, i still get emails from "Doms" looking for a submissive and my profile clearly says owned. i either ignore them or if I'm feeling froggy, i jump all over them.

With all things there is good and bad. With all people there is stupid and intelligent. Some can read, some cant. Its pretty simple.

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RE: Being Shallow? - 10/31/2004 10:31:14 PM   
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I don't see anything wrong with sticking to standards. More power to ya.

~Thorns

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RE: Being Shallow? - 11/1/2004 3:55:40 AM   
ChrisGreen


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Hi,

There is more than one LONDON in the world.

Suggest that you add to your profile that it is London in England, just off the coast of Western Europe.

Regards

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RE: Being Shallow? - 11/1/2004 4:09:22 AM   
LadyAngelika


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChrisGreen

Hi,

There is more than one LONDON in the world.

Suggest that you add to your profile that it is London in England, just off the coast of Western Europe.

Regards


But considering her handle is MsGothUK, I think we all figured it out ;)

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RE: Being Shallow? - 11/1/2004 9:32:36 AM   
MsGothUk


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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChrisGreen

Hi,

There is more than one LONDON in the world.

Suggest that you add to your profile that it is London in England, just off the coast of Western Europe.

Regards



FIRST line in my profile says:

quote:


Right...I'm looking for UK based

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RE: Being Shallow? - 11/1/2004 5:39:59 PM   
MiladyElaine


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I'm picky too! By the time I get thru writing what I DO want, I sometimes run out of room for what I DON't want. Finally got it fine tuned until somebody comes along and reminds Me of something I left out! LOL Just part of "the search".
As for getting rid of someone, ask for a facial pic! Subs seem to want to send pics of everything BUT their faces...

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RE: Being Shallow? - 11/1/2004 9:33:03 PM   
afmvdp


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It's just the nature of the beast. I get emails sent from people all through the gauntlet, from gay submissive males to sex subs...to many communication is a matter of color coded mass emails.

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RE: Being Shallow? - 11/2/2004 11:25:37 AM   
srahfox


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I think it's a matter of hit and miss. We4ll mif I send out a hundred emails surely someone out there will take the bate. You know BDSM spam.

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