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Yachtie -> RE: Bush's economy worsens (6/15/2012 6:11:07 AM)
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I'm with Owner59 in asking, what Republicans would have done back in 2008 when the whole economy was sinking down to the abyss known as an 'economic Depression', and on a scale that would have easily dwarfed the last one in the 1930's? In detail and exact terms.
Who the **** knows? You got a functioning crystal ball? Obama won, not a republican. If I had my way, Paul would have been elected. But he wasn't.
That's your answer? You dont know? Sorry, that's not even remotely a good enough answer!
HOW THE FUCK COULD I KNOW WHAT REPUBLICANS WOULD DO WHICH THEY NEVER DID? ARE YOU INSANE?
I ignore the rest of your comment for one simple reason. You don't deserve response.
The reason why you dont know is not because of the limited information out there. There are a number of reasons (none of them more important than the others). Some Republicans privately liked the Democrat's plan but could never speak of it publically. Some Republicans really had no clue what to do, but since the Democrats had one, its better than nothing. Some Republicans actually added to the bill, off the record, to help and hinder the final version. And some, without clue or concept didnt know what to do until the leadership within the GOP told them how to vote. After it was voted on, Republicans, took the goverment money secretly while publically bashing the Democrats "...and their stimulus bill"! And were where all the conservatives, who voted in these Republicans when this was happening? They certainly didnt do a dime of holding their own elected officals to the same level of accountibility and responsibility as they were bashing the Democrats. Texas took its share of the funds to offset their budget both years, while claiming the recession had not effected their budget (can you say "total Bull Droppings"?). Cus after all, their budget was run....the Republican way....!
The Republicans were against bailing out GM. The President didnt bail 'em out, but, shockingly invested in the company. But not in direct loans with no strings attached or as common stock; but with preferred shares. What is a preferred stock share? Its the 'blue chip' of stocks. Its noted for its generally good return on investment and protection from bankruptcy. However, unlike common stock, preferred stock has no voting rights on company leadership or plans. So even if GM did go belly-up, the goverment would still get back the grand majority of the investment. It side-stepped the accusation that the president was a socialist by investing as an American should.....into American products and companies! Yeah, FOX News and the like didnt want to show that the president was investing smartly into GM, that would undermind the GOP's attacks. From an investing standpoint, it was a really smart and wise move. The product was a good one, the company is pretty good, and the workers are pretty good. Losing that sort of manufacturing would not only effect the plants under GM, but 'downstream' jobs. Plus, we as Americans made a profit from that bit of investing. That actually helped both lower the decifit and keep taxes from going up (yeah, two more facts FOX News and others conviently 'forgot' to mention).
I dont agree with everything the president did. But I am one of 310 million people, the president is responsible for. He, unlike G. W. Bush took the time and explained (in detail mind you) of what he was doing, and why. After listening to what he was saying and thought about it, it made alot of good sense. Unfortunately, we have a sizable chunk of people in this nation that will not listen to the guy at all. They dont understand how he talks as most of it can not be crunked down to 'sound bites' for the simple minds to understand (without losing the really good material and definations).
You want to know why the question is hard for you to answer (beyond what was just said...)? The GOP really did not have a plan. Things were changing so rapidly and many systems were being blown apart. Conservatives have a habit of looking at one or two problems with the same number of possible solutions. And when those solutions dont work, they just keep doing the samething believing it will work (i.e. Trickle Down Theory, Star Wars Initative, No Child Left Behind, etc). Liberals tend to look at the whole picture, with a good score of ideas on what to do about it. Problem is, they get a bit....excited....and never pick one of several solutions and 'go with it'. That is what the president did. Select a few solutions and put them into play, adjusting as needed. If something wasn't working, it was toss and a quick examine of possible solutions was inserted. Was it a perfect system? Gosh No! But compared to the GOP's plan, it was the best solution at the time.
How is it I could come up with reasonable ideas of what the Republicans might have done, but you couldnt?
Look, numbnutz, do you know the difference between asking what someone would have done versus might have done?
Well, do you?
"What would Jack have done?"
"I don't know what Jack would have done."
"What might he have done?"
"Well, he might have had a V8 or fucked your sister. Why don't you ask him?"
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