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Hillwilliam -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/19/2012 6:50:26 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Independent

I don't think he was Conservative , Liberal or Independent. He was just fucking crazy.




outhere69 -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/19/2012 8:17:53 AM)

Yep, that 's my take on it too.

The Republican outrage against the mandate is pretty silly, since it was their idea. The mandate was a compromise in response to a "single payer" plan.




kalikshama -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/19/2012 7:11:02 PM)

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Or drilling Senators through the head, come to that: it wasn't a conservative who shot Gifford, was it?


As the sister of someone who is mentally ill, I believe that discussion of a person with a thought disorder's political beliefs is pointless.




erieangel -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/19/2012 8:10:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Or drilling Senators through the head, come to that: it wasn't a conservative who shot Gifford, was it?


As the sister of someone who is mentally ill, I believe that discussion of a person with a thought disorder's political beliefs is pointless.



As somebody who is mentally ill, I totally agree with you. If I happen to go "off the rails" so to speak and do something totally insane, my political beliefs will have nothing to do with what I might do. My illness will have everything to do with what I might do.





tazzygirl -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/20/2012 12:06:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Hillwilliam


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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Independent

I don't think he was Conservative , Liberal or Independent. He was just fucking crazy.


I agree with you, Hill. He is a registered Independent... I like tossing that up when it starts with the "He was liberal" rants. But, yeah, the man is clearly insane, which truly doesnt care about any political process.




Winterapple -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/22/2012 12:47:11 PM)

The Speaker of the House has sent out word to his fellow repubs that there are to be no happy
dances, no unseemly public gloating and
crowing after the announcement is made.
It'd unsuitable apparently because the
economy is bad (?). And it's a election year.
So, seems to be a bit of confidence from the
top that it's going to be knocked or there's
a very good chance it will be.




defiantbadgirl -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 7:46:02 AM)

Supreme Court health care decision will be announced June 28 so 3 days to go




servantforuse -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 7:54:07 AM)

Maybe, maybe not. The court doesn't say in advance when these decisions will be rulled on..




defiantbadgirl -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 8:10:35 AM)

According to the SCOTUS blog, they only announced one more day for decisions to be read and that day is Thursday June 28th. So it is extremely likely something about health care will be mentioned then.




mnottertail -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 8:13:25 AM)

If they don't rule, the law stands as is, right? end of the joke?




kalikshama -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 1:59:17 PM)

Unpopular Mandate

Why do politicians reverse their positions?

by Ezra Klein
June 25, 2012

Republicans turned against the individual mandate after supporting it for two decades.

On March 23, 2010, the day that President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, fourteen state attorneys general filed suit against the law’s requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance, on the ground that it was unconstitutional. It was hard to find a law professor in the country who took them seriously. “The argument about constitutionality is, if not frivolous, close to it,” Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas law-school professor, told the McClatchy newspapers. Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California at Irvine, told the Times, “There is no case law, post 1937, that would support an individual’s right not to buy health care if the government wants to mandate it.” Orin Kerr, a George Washington University professor who had clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, said, “There is a less than one-per-cent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate.” Today, as the Supreme Court prepares to hand down its decision on the law, Kerr puts the chance that it will overturn the mandate—almost certainly on a party-line vote—at closer to “fifty-fifty.” The Republicans have made the individual mandate the element most likely to undo the President’s health-care law. The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support. It had, after all, been at the heart of Republican health-care reforms for two decades.

...This shift—Democrats lining up behind the Republican-crafted mandate, and Republicans declaring it not just inappropriate policy but contrary to the wishes of the Founders—shocked Wyden. “I would characterize the Washington, D.C., relationship with the individual mandate as truly schizophrenic,” he said.

It was not an isolated case. In 2007, both Newt Gingrich and John McCain wanted a cap-and-trade program in order to reduce carbon emissions. Today, neither they nor any other leading Republicans support cap-and-trade. In 2008, the Bush Administration proposed, pushed, and signed the Economic Stimulus Act, a deficit-financed tax cut designed to boost the flagging economy. Today, few Republicans admit that a deficit-financed stimulus can work. Indeed, with the exception of raising taxes on the rich, virtually every major policy currently associated with the Obama Administration was, within the past decade, a Republican idea in good standing.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein#ixzz1yqCK0ZA5




Arturas -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 9:07:48 PM)


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ORIGINAL: servantforuse

When this case is shot down it might actually help Obama. Companies might start to hire again when they know Obama Care is unconstitutional and they won't have to deal with the uncertanty of future costs.


So. You feel in the four months between now and the election that this might actually happen to the extent that it will make everyone forget he wasted two years in doing this bill rather than work on the economy issues.

Meltdown is kinda interesting to watch.




Arturas -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 9:15:53 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Unpopular Mandate

Why do politicians reverse their positions?

by Ezra Klein
June 25, 2012

Republicans turned against the individual mandate after supporting it for two decades.

On March 23, 2010, the day that President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, fourteen state attorneys general filed suit against the law’s requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance, on the ground that it was unconstitutional. It was hard to find a law professor in the country who took them seriously. “The argument about constitutionality is, if not frivolous, close to it,” Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas law-school professor, told the McClatchy newspapers. Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California at Irvine, told the Times, “There is no case law, post 1937, that would support an individual’s right not to buy health care if the government wants to mandate it.” Orin Kerr, a George Washington University professor who had clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, said, “There is a less than one-per-cent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate.” Today, as the Supreme Court prepares to hand down its decision on the law, Kerr puts the chance that it will overturn the mandate—almost certainly on a party-line vote—at closer to “fifty-fifty.” The Republicans have made the individual mandate the element most likely to undo the President’s health-care law. The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support. It had, after all, been at the heart of Republican health-care reforms for two decades.

...This shift—Democrats lining up behind the Republican-crafted mandate, and Republicans declaring it not just inappropriate policy but contrary to the wishes of the Founders—shocked Wyden. “I would characterize the Washington, D.C., relationship with the individual mandate as truly schizophrenic,” he said.

It was not an isolated case. In 2007, both Newt Gingrich and John McCain wanted a cap-and-trade program in order to reduce carbon emissions. Today, neither they nor any other leading Republicans support cap-and-trade. In 2008, the Bush Administration proposed, pushed, and signed the Economic Stimulus Act, a deficit-financed tax cut designed to boost the flagging economy. Today, few Republicans admit that a deficit-financed stimulus can work. Indeed, with the exception of raising taxes on the rich, virtually every major policy currently associated with the Obama Administration was, within the past decade, a Republican idea in good standing.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein#ixzz1yqCK0ZA5



So. Somehow, a minority of Americans think a free person can be forced to buy something by the Government just by being alive and 21 and they them must somehow miss the obvious fact that forcing someone to do something as a normal part of being alive in the land of the free is just fine.

Incredible.

Not to worry, there are those of us who actually read the constitution and grew up knowing what freedom means, just as the justices did. This is why the justices were obviously amused to the point of being openly critical of the Government's position during arguments.




Arturas -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 9:18:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: outhere69

Yep, that 's my take on it too.

The Republican outrage against the mandate is pretty silly, since it was their idea. The mandate was a compromise in response to a "single payer" plan.



I don't understand. Why would having an idea and then discarding it as a bad idea make you responsible for those who failed to recognize (or even care) how illegal this is?

"Unconstitutional? Are you kidding?" - Nancy Pelosi

"We Need To Pass This Bill So You Can See What's In It." - Nancy Pelosi




Arturas -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 9:29:48 PM)

FR.

Let's make sure everyone knows America is not a socialist society, where all who can, must pay for all who cannot or will not and simply by an act of Congress we do not change into one, as we will see on Thursday. This is a capitalist society and this means you must have capital, money, to take care of yourself and no one does it for you unless THEY personally choose to and not because you voted some law that makes them take care of you or you take care of yourself. You are free not to take care of yourself by not buying insurance and I am free not to take care of you by sharing my wealth, such as it is.

That party is over before it started. Someone just forgot to send you, you who actually believe the "mandate" and "wealth redistribution" was actually going to happen in a free capitalistic society, somebody forgot to send you the memo back when you went to school and studied American history and our Govermennt and the Consitution and the Declaration of Independence and that person was you.





itsSIRtou -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/25/2012 9:49:04 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Arturas


quote:

ORIGINAL: kalikshama

Unpopular Mandate

Why do politicians reverse their positions?

by Ezra Klein
June 25, 2012

Republicans turned against the individual mandate after supporting it for two decades.

On March 23, 2010, the day that President Obama signed the Affordable Care Act into law, fourteen state attorneys general filed suit against the law’s requirement that most Americans purchase health insurance, on the ground that it was unconstitutional. It was hard to find a law professor in the country who took them seriously. “The argument about constitutionality is, if not frivolous, close to it,” Sanford Levinson, a University of Texas law-school professor, told the McClatchy newspapers. Erwin Chemerinsky, the dean of the law school at the University of California at Irvine, told the Times, “There is no case law, post 1937, that would support an individual’s right not to buy health care if the government wants to mandate it.” Orin Kerr, a George Washington University professor who had clerked for Justice Anthony Kennedy, said, “There is a less than one-per-cent chance that the courts will invalidate the individual mandate.” Today, as the Supreme Court prepares to hand down its decision on the law, Kerr puts the chance that it will overturn the mandate—almost certainly on a party-line vote—at closer to “fifty-fifty.” The Republicans have made the individual mandate the element most likely to undo the President’s health-care law. The irony is that the Democrats adopted it in the first place because they thought that it would help them secure conservative support. It had, after all, been at the heart of Republican health-care reforms for two decades.

...This shift—Democrats lining up behind the Republican-crafted mandate, and Republicans declaring it not just inappropriate policy but contrary to the wishes of the Founders—shocked Wyden. “I would characterize the Washington, D.C., relationship with the individual mandate as truly schizophrenic,” he said.

It was not an isolated case. In 2007, both Newt Gingrich and John McCain wanted a cap-and-trade program in order to reduce carbon emissions. Today, neither they nor any other leading Republicans support cap-and-trade. In 2008, the Bush Administration proposed, pushed, and signed the Economic Stimulus Act, a deficit-financed tax cut designed to boost the flagging economy. Today, few Republicans admit that a deficit-financed stimulus can work. Indeed, with the exception of raising taxes on the rich, virtually every major policy currently associated with the Obama Administration was, within the past decade, a Republican idea in good standing.

Read more http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/06/25/120625fa_fact_klein#ixzz1yqCK0ZA5



So. Somehow, a minority of Americans think a free person can be forced to buy something by the Government just by being alive and 21 and they them must somehow miss the obvious fact that forcing someone to do something as a normal part of being alive in the land of the free is just fine.

Incredible.

Not to worry, there are those of us who actually read the constitution and grew up knowing what freedom means, just as the justices did. This is why the justices were obviously amused to the point of being openly critical of the Government's position during arguments.


....there are plenty of states that mandate u have to buy car insurance if u want to drive a car. no opt-out,.... sure if u want to walk u can but it severely limits the rest of ur life,....
the facts are if AHCA is kicked off, the repubs aren't going to propose anything meaningful to fix anything. WHY? because they think its only the industry's business to do anything about it ....and of course they liked things they way it was.... costly... watch how many more people declare bankruptcy from medical bills than credit cards afterwards....until the GOP makes that harder too.... now there's talk of bringing back debtor prison's too. watch that make jailbirds out of regular people....

...lets see if romneycare makes an appearance.....







Musicmystery -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/26/2012 5:09:06 AM)

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America is not a socialist society, where all who can, must pay for all who cannot or will not and simply by an act of Congress we do not change into one, as we will see on Thursday. This is a capitalist society


This is a Mixed Economy.

See any Econ 101 text.




Moonhead -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/26/2012 5:11:34 AM)

I'd certainly be interested to hear his explanation of how military spending is handled through the capitalist system rather than using revenues raised by socialistFederal taxation...




kalikshama -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/26/2012 9:23:39 AM)

I have socialized healthcare.

Veterans Administration healthcare system as a pure form of socialized medicine because it is "owned, operated and financed by government."




Moonhead -> RE: When will decision on Affordable Care Act be announced? (6/26/2012 12:30:10 PM)

Well, Romney will be sure to do away with that sort of commie nonsense and have you sell your children to pay an insurance provider instead.
[;)]




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