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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

http://democrats.oversight.house.gov/images/stories/minority_report_13112.pdf
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/06/20/letter_to_issa.pdf
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/04/fast-and-furious-bush-administration_n_1076148.html
http://www.nola.com/crime/index.ssf/2011/11/2007_memo_to_attorney_general.html
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/06/13/ros-lehtinen-supports-contempt-vote-for-attorney-general/
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/06/14/499506/issa-blasted-investigation-of-bush-attorney-general-as-a-political-witch-hunt/
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2012/05/darrell-issa-fights-subpoena-in-roger-clemens-trial-124144.html

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Thank you.  That will about sack up any further theater and lies from the right.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Perhaps it was Sonia Sotomayor, "The Wise Latino" who came up with the brilliant idea to gift over a million dollars worth of assault rifles to murderous Mexican drug dealers...

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ORIGINAL: Musicmystery

Or, the House could start solving problems instead of moving paper.

Or, the Demoncrap Senate could at least PROPOSE a Federal Budget instead of ignoring their fiduciary duty for the past three years.

Have you ever even read the Constitution?

Article I Section 7

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All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives

Ken, they are talking about the Federal Budget. Not taxes. That article and section ONLY refers to taxes.

The federal budget is authorization for the raising of revenue as well as the spending of revenue and as such much originate in the House.

The Federal Budget is based upon the sitting President's agenda and policies, and as such it originates in the White House and is known as the "FYXXXX Federal Budget Request" (the President's PROPOSED budget).

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I knew you guys couldnt read.  I knew you hadnt a fact amongst you, but I would have thought even you two wouldnt have had the cretinistic wherewithal to make absolute fools of yourself after what I posted, but by god, I was wrong.

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The report describes how, rather than halting this operation after its flaws became evident,
ATF’s Phoenix Field Division launched several similarly reckless operations over the course of
several years, also with tragic results. Operation Fast and Furious was the fourth in a series of
operations in which gunwalking—the non-interdiction of illegally purchased firearms that could
and should be seized by law enforcement—occurred since 2006. Although this report provides a great amount of detail about what we have learned to date,
it has several shortcomings. Despite requests from me and others, the Committee never held a
hearing or even conducted an interview with former Attorney General Michael Mukasey. The
Committee obtained documents indicating that in 2007 he was personally informed about the
failure of previous law enforcement operations involving the illegal smuggling of weapons into
Mexico, and that he received a proposal to expand these operations. Since the Committee failed to
speak with Mr. Mukasey, we do not have the benefit of his input about why these operations were
allowed to continue after he was given this information.

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In a memo just released by Sen. Chuck Grassley, the Iowa senator reveals that Holder also didn't apologize to former Attorney General Michael Mukasey for dragging him into the Fast & Furious scandal that is headed for a major legal clash and likely contempt of Congress charge against Holder.

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According to Mr. Melson, he and ATF's senior leadership team moved to reassign
every manager involved in Fast and Furious, from the Deputy Assistant Director for
Field Operations down to the Group Supervisor, after learning the facts in those
documents. Mr. Melson also said he was not allowed to communicate to Congress the
reasons for the reassignments. He claimed that ATF's senior leadership would have
preferred to be more cooperative with our inquiry much earlier in the process.
However, he said that Justice Department officials directed them not to respond and
took full control of replying to briefing and document requests from Congress. The
result is that Congress only got the parts of the story that the Department wanted us to
hear. If his account is accurate, then ATF leadership appears to have been effectively
muzzled while the DOJ sent over false denials and buried its head in the sand. That
approach distorted the truth and obstructed our investigation. The Department's
inability or unwillingness to be more forthcoming served to conceal critical information
that we are now learning about the involvement of other agencies, including the DEA
and the FBI.

The Role of DEA, FBI, and Other Agencies
When confronted with information about serious issues involving lack of
information sharing by other agencies, which Committee staff had originally learned
from other witnesses, Mr. Melson's responses tended to corroborate what others had
said. Specifically, we have very real indications from several sources that some of the
gun trafficking "higher-ups" that the ATF sought to identify were already known to
other agencies and may even have been paid as informants. The Acting Director said
that ATF was kept in the dark about certain activities of other agencies, including DEA
and FBI. Mr. Melson said that he learned from ATF agents in the field that information
obtained by these agencies could have had a material impact on the Fast and Furious
Government Accountability Office, "Department of Health and Human Services-Chief Actuary's
Communications with Congress," B-302911 (Sep. 7, 2004) (discussing the history and background in
support ofthe government-wide prohibition on attempts to prevent direct communications with
Congress). As you know, obstructing or impeding a Congressional inquiry is also a criminal violation
under 18 U.S.C. § 1505. investigation as far back as late 2009 or early 2010. After learning about the possible
role of DEA and FBI, he testified that he reported this information in April 2011 to the
Acting Inspector General and directly to then-Acting Deputy Attorney General James
Cole on June 16, 2011.
The evidence we have gathered raises the disturbing possibility that the Justice
Department not only allowed criminals to smuggle weapons but that taxpayer dollars
from other agencies may have financed those engaging in such activities. While this is
preliminary information, we must find out if there is any truth to it. According to
Acting Director Melson, he became aware of this startling possibility only after the
murder of Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry and the indictments of the straw purchasers,
which we now know were substantially delayed by the u.s. Attorney's Office and Main
Justice. Mr. Melson provided documents months ago supporting his concerns to the
official in the ODAG responsible for document production to the Committees, but those documents have not been provided to us.

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Perhaps it was Sonia Sotomayor, "The Wise Latino" who came up with the brilliant idea to gift over a million dollars worth of assault rifles to murderous Mexican drug dealers...

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

@subrob:

As I said you cannot read.   nice couple words that could back a fucked up vermiformous ideological red herrring at this point though.

Oh, yeah, and you should be informed, because I know you are not that the SCOTUS has already ruled on ongoing investigations and ongoing investigations work product, methods and players, and the congress not having them available for any reason (save national security).

And not in your favor.

You see, these stupid fucks down there talk into microphones.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

well, you make up positions and I use real words, that isn't made up, no matter how folgent you feel your intentional lies, ignorance of fact,  and red herrings are.


See if you can figure out the famous made up word there.

I have found all yours.

No ongoing investigation material, scotus has ruled on that, in terms of executive privilege (and you can tear yourself away from the doughnut shop and look it the fuck up yourself).

I have found you the argument, I am not obliged to find you understanding.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

My citations are from the players involved.  vermiform >>> please note that in a dictionary of any mien will contain the following suffix in its entry.... -ous.
I assume you know that the word suffix is not made up, or am I assuming too much of you?

Nope chum you got a doughnut in one hand and your dick in the other hand on this one. (as per usual, cuz it ends up being ALL ones) .

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ORIGINAL: DomKen

So by the RW own sources this was done by the Phoenix office of the BATF. BATF has its own chain of command that reports to the AG. So why eactly was Issa and his cronies going after an assistant AG? Also what evidence exists that this was approved by the AG or anyone in DC?

IOW what evidence exists that this isn't a fishing expidition run simply to hold hearings and appease the RW loons?