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kalikshama -> Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 8:48:09 AM)

The NPR story I heard framed this as not a means to escape charges in Sweden per se, but the likely extradition to the US that would occur if he goes to Sweden:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/julian-assange-seeks-asy_n_1609725.html

LONDON — WikiLeaks chief Julian Assange has made a run for the Ecuadorean Embassy in London, seeking asylum in a long shot move that, if successful, would place him in a small, friendly South American country rather than in Sweden facing questioning about alleged sex crimes.

Tuesday's unexpected caper has added a new and bizarre twist to Assange's increasingly desperate bid to avoid extradition to Scandinavia. Ecuadorean Foreign Minister Ricardo Patino said the leftist government of President Rafael Correa – an administration often at odds with Washington – was weighing the request, although he did not indicate when a decision might be made.

Assange said in a brief statement that he was grateful "to the Ecuadorean ambassador and the government of Ecuador for considering my application."

Assange's legal options in the U.K. had almost completely run out. Less than a week ago Britain's Supreme Court re-endorsed its decision to allow the 40-year-old's extradition to Sweden, where he is wanted over sex crimes allegations. The accusations – which stem from Assange's trip to the country in mid-2010 – have cast a cloud over his online organization's spectacular leaks of U.S. military, diplomatic, and intelligence material.

Ecuador – where less than one in three people have access to the Web – may seem an unlikely place for the former computer hacker to seek refuge, but in many ways it's an obvious choice.

"It's one of the few countries that has given a great opening to Assange's entire cause," said Grace Jaramillo, an international relations professor at Ecuador's FLACSO university.

"Correa sees Assange as a critic of the status quo," he said. "He has been challenging the United States and Correa likes that."

Assange argues that extradition to Sweden is a first step in efforts to remove him to the United States, where he claims to have been secretly indicted over his disclosure of 250,000 State Department cables. He has spent the better part of two years fighting the move through the British courts.

But legal experts said Assange's flight to the Ecuadorean embassy was a desperate one.

U.K. extradition specialist Karen Todner said she couldn't make sense of the move, while Michael Scharf, based at the Case Western Reserve University School of Law in Cleveland, Ohio, said he didn't believe Assange could be given asylum status.

"I think they are going to end up asking him to leave the premises," said Scharf.

Ecuador's mission in London said in a statement that Assange would "remain at the embassy, under the protection of the Ecuadorean government," while his application was considered. Britain's foreign ministry said it was working with Ecuadorean authorities to resolve the situation, but gave few other details.

Aside from Assange's brief statement, WikiLeaks did not elaborate on its leader's plans. Nearly a dozen calls, texts and emails seeking further comment from WikiLeaks and its staff weren't returned.

Patino, speaking at a news conference in Quito, the Ecuadorean capital, gave the fullest account of Assange's reasoning, saying he had personally written to Correa to ask for asylum.

Assange, who is Australian, had argued that "the authorities in his country will not defend his minimum guarantees before any government or ignore the obligation to protect a politically persecuted citizen." Patino said. That may be a reference to Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, who last month said that her country could not protect Assange from other countries' justice systems.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/julian-assange-seeks-asy_n_1609725.html




kalikshama -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 8:50:06 AM)

Q&A: Julian Assange and asylum

Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, who is facing extradition from the UK to Sweden over rape and sexual assault allegations, has spent a night in the Ecuadorian embassy in London after claiming asylum.

Police have said that by spending the night at the embassy he has breached his bail conditions and faces arrest, while Ecuadorian authorities said they were "studying and analysing" his request. So, what are the issues surrounding asylum requests?

Who can claim asylum?

Article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states: "Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution."

The European Convention on Human Rights and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights also enshrine this law.

Why can't police arrest Julian Assange at the embassy?

Local police and security forces are not permitted to enter an embassy unless they have the express permission of the ambassador - even though the embassy remains the territory of the host nation.

This rule was set out in 1961 Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations when it codified a custom in place for centuries by establishing the "rule of inviolability".

The Foreign Office has said that by being at the embassy, Mr Assange is on diplomatic territory and beyond the reach of police.

What is Julian Assange claiming?

The Ecuadorian embassy says Mr Assange arrived at the embassy seeking political asylum.

Mr Assange fears if he is sent to Sweden it may then lead to him being sent to the US to face charges over Wikileaks, for which he could face the death penalty.

An embassy is obliged to consider whether there is a real risk the person could be killed or seriously injured if they were handed over to the local authorities. And if there is, they may be held accountable if they surrender that person.

What is diplomatic asylum?

In a broad sense, according to the UN, it is protection which is granted by a country outside its own borders, and particularly through its diplomatic missions. There has been a long history of it within Latin America.

Could Julian Assange be offered diplomatic asylum?

Anthony Aust, who served in the British diplomatic service for 35 years, said while many Latin American countries offered diplomatic asylum, it was not recognised by the UK.

"I don't think we accept any diplomatic asylum."

The Foreign Office would not comment.

After claiming asylum, does a person have to stay in the embassy?

Some asylum seekers have spent a great deal of time within embassy compounds. Cardinal Jozesf Mindszenty spent 15 years in the US embassy in Budapest following the Soviet crackdown in 1956 in Hungary, before eventually entering exile in Austria.

"He [Mr Assange] can stay in the embassy and we can't enter it without the permission of the ambassador. Cardinal Mindszenty... was over 15 years in the US embassy in Hungary," Mr Aust told the BBC.

"I hope that doesn't happen here. They can hold him for 15 years, or 20 years or 30 years in the embassy if they want to. We can only close down the embassy if that happened, which means the embassy no longer has any diplomatic asylum."

Mr Aust said there was no physical way to get Mr Assange from the embassy to Ecuador itself without the risk of him being arrested by UK police.




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 9:23:48 AM)

I would say there are not many places in this world that has a more fair and respected judicial system than Sweden. If he is innocent he should turn himself in for trial. If he does not then in my way of thinking he is guilty.

Butch




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 9:30:32 AM)

Does it make sense for him to say Sweden and the US have fabricated these charges so he can be extridited to the US... Remember he was in Sweden at the time of the supposed rape and molestation... They could have arrested him at that time and extradited by treaty without a criminal charge... They do not or did not need to fabricate a crime.

This collusion is crap... he is just afraid of prosecution for a crime...not extradition...in my view anyway.

Butch




Moonhead -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 10:51:14 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
If he is innocent he should turn himself in for trial. If he does not then in my way of thinking he is guilty.

Butch

Just like Bush and Nixon?




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:08:33 AM)

Did they rape and molest anyone?...come to think of it they did fuck me...is that a crime?...[:D]




Moonhead -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:09:48 AM)

If they did so without your consent, damned right it's a crime.




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:11:18 AM)

But ....but... I was soooo desirable how could they resist




Moonhead -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:13:01 AM)

Just out of interest, have you been using this absurdity to attack Herman Cain as well as Assange?




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:23:05 AM)

Moon how am I attacking the man... I am just saying he should face the charges... Do you think Sweden is a puppet of the US and is fabricating these charges? If so what would possibly lead you to believe that?

So are you saying just because he released classified information and the US may want to prosecute him he has permission to rape and molest?

Are you also the type that thinks because one person gets away with a crime all should?

Butch




Moonhead -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:26:35 AM)

No, I'm pointing out that he hasn't been tried for the rape and molestation yet.




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/20/2012 11:40:14 AM)

Then you are not against him being extradited and facing the charges in Sweden? I am saying the same as you then. That is all I want. As far as I know there has been no indictment in the US and if there were the US could have gone directly to the UK and exercised their extradition rights. Sweden was and is not needed.

He is just dodging prosecution in Sweden and using the fear of extradition as an excuse in my opinion. As I said before Sweden and the US have a treaty and if there were an indictment in the US he could have been extradited then… They did not need to fabricate charges.

Butch




tj444 -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 6:21:06 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
As I said before Sweden and the US have a treaty and if there were an indictment in the US he could have been extradited then… They did not need to fabricate charges.

Maybe the US didnt want him bad enough at that point.. according to this article, in 2010 they were just investigating him and the leaks, docs he had... Personally, if I was him.. it would definately be the US that would concern me the most.. given how rabid they are to "get their man" convicted on any possible charge and toss people into jail.. That is why when they charge someone, there is usually a long list of charges to increase their chance of a conviction on one or more of them.. I think he understands exactly how the US govt works and how relentless they are..

U.S. authorities may be looking for just the right moment to try to detain WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange, who is the subject of a wanted-persons alert sent to police agencies around the world, CNN's senior legal analyst said Wednesday.
Assange is wanted in Sweden on suspicion of rape and sexual molestation. The United States, meanwhile, is conducting a criminal investigation into his website's disclosure of thousands of secret U.S. diplomatic cables.
Some U.S. politicians have called for Assange to face charges related to the leaks, and prosecutors already may have obtained a sealed arrest warrant

http://articles.cnn.com/2010-12-01/world/sweden.interpol.assange_1_julian-assange-wikileaks-arrest-warrant?_s=PM:WORLD




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 9:34:45 AM)

If that is the case why did not the US petition the UK to extradite him?...And I ask you does the threat of extradition give him immunity from prosecution for a crime like rape?

Butch




farglebargle -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 10:58:39 AM)

b/c then they'd have to unseal the secret arrest warrant, of course!




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 11:13:56 AM)

They would have to do the same in Sweden don't you think? No… he’s a punk ass rapists afraid to face the consequences of his actions.

Butch




Moonhead -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 12:59:13 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub

If that is the case why did not the US petition the UK to extradite him?...And I ask you does the threat of extradition give him immunity from prosecution for a crime like rape?

Butch

The US doesn't need to petition the UK for extradition.
The chimp's bitch saw to that.




kdsub -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 3:54:55 PM)

Well it did not happen so what does he have to fear by facing the charges in Sweden.

Butch




Politesub53 -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 4:11:44 PM)

If he is refused asylum he will be going to jail for breaking his bail conditions. Those who raised funds for him can kiss them goodbye.




tj444 -> RE: Julian Assange Seeks Asylum In Ecuador (6/21/2012 4:30:37 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: kdsub
If that is the case why did not the US petition the UK to extradite him?...And I ask you does the threat of extradition give him immunity from prosecution for a crime like rape?

Butch

the two are unrelated, of course the threat of extradition doesnt give immunity for prosecution on a rape charge. But if he does get sent to Sweden then once he has been tried for rape, I have no doubt he will get turned over to the US (probably once he finishes he sentence in Sweden if found guilty)..

Perhaps it is easier for the US to extradite from Sweden than the UK, or perhaps there is more secrecy over petitions there or some differences that made the US hold off or perhaps they still had not actually finished investigating (& stacking up charge after charge after charge).. Imo, if he does end up in the US and once they get done charging him with everything they possibly can, he will spend the rest of his life in jail..

Had I been him, I would have gone to countries that were safer and where extraition was not possible.. Not to fear tho,.. the US will wait decades to get him if necessary.. they will not stop trying until he is dead..




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