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ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 4:13:47 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Baroana

Take away his phone. By the way if you're the boss in that house, then whose fault is it that his desk got to be such a pigsty?



Okay, I'll say it. I *loath* dynamics like this. It seems to be all about punishing people for who they are, and never about using the natural power a dom has over their s-type to improve, uplift, or anything else positive.

Yeah yeah yeah, we're supposed to respect other's dynamics. How about I respect their right to have whatever dynamic they chose, but admit I *loath* this particular brand?

Best I can do.




Baroana -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 9:57:56 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

Take away his phone. By the way if you're the boss in that house, then whose fault is it that his desk got to be such a pigsty?



Okay, I'll say it. I *loath* dynamics like this. It seems to be all about punishing people for who they are, and never about using the natural power a dom has over their s-type to improve, uplift, or anything else positive.

Yeah yeah yeah, we're supposed to respect other's dynamics. How about I respect their right to have whatever dynamic they chose, but admit I *loath* this particular brand?

Best I can do.



Run that by me again? I don't get what you are saying.




OsideGirl -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 10:26:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: JstAnotherSub


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ORIGINAL: MaxineANDjohnnie

Thanks for the responses which were positive. Of course he cleaned his desk. Not really a punishment though. I have a problem with overreacting when I get angry. I have decided to take away his desk, he doesn't really need it. We'll be moving it to the garage tomorrow evening.

Well, that should solve everything.



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angelikaJ -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 10:41:06 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NiceButMeanGirl

Geez, OP, if you can't figure it out for yourself then why are you the Dominant? Tell him to get his ass in there and clean off his desk, for crying out loud. Why do you let him get it that messy in the first place and then come to internet strangers for advice? See how this all falls back on YOU? I'm just helpful that way. Also, not everyone has a punishment dynamic and wants no part of it. If that's your kink, figure it out for yourself. Again, it's all coming back to YOU.

NBMG


I think maybe she came here for guidance because in the past she has over-reacted and has an apparent issue with anger management.

To the OP:
Maxine,
if you are a sadist then find an outlet for your sadism.
If you have an issue with anger management then perhaps you should find a kink aware therapist and work with him/her.

Your job is to teach your sub to be a better person and I don't think your way is necessarily working.

I think the "punishment" should be that you have johnnie make an appointment with an organisational specialist.
Help johnnie succeed in the area of organisation and then you won't be dealing with your mutual frustrations in that area.

Also: get a white board and write on it: it will save you from the "did I or didn't I... " doubts.
It is never fair to punish someone for something that you aren't clear on. If you aren't clear on it, how can you expect them to be.

Edit: clarity





stellauk -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 10:45:46 AM)

The OP puts me in mind of a gravedigger scratching his head in a cemetry..

In other words, someone who's lost the plot.




ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 2:45:21 PM)

Oh, well Jesus Fucking Louise on a bike !!

I am agreeing with you in my own unorthodox way.






Byste -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 4:00:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt


quote:

ORIGINAL: Baroana

Take away his phone. By the way if you're the boss in that house, then whose fault is it that his desk got to be such a pigsty?



Okay, I'll say it. I *loath* dynamics like this. It seems to be all about punishing people for who they are, and never about using the natural power a dom has over their s-type to improve, uplift, or anything else positive.

Yeah yeah yeah, we're supposed to respect other's dynamics. How about I respect their right to have whatever dynamic they chose, but admit I *loath* this particular brand?

Best I can do.



I agree. I don't understand punishment dynamics either. Training and education are a much more positive way to get people to do things the way we want them done.

Byste




LafayetteLady -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 5:21:49 PM)

Well, I went and read the thread Lockit linked and I have to say, I sincerely hope that you get yourself in anger management classes before you have any children.

It sounds like you just enjoy giving johnnie harsh punishments.  Not only for a minor infraction he makes, but for your own forgetfulness.

If you know you "overreact" when you are angry, then you really have no business taking that out on him.  If you know that you sometimes forget conversations and that he really hasn't done anything wrong, but you punish him anyway then you are simply a self centered jerk who can't admit their own mistakes and will take it out on others for your own failures.

Positive reinforcement can work wonders.  The fact that you don't see taking the late fee out of his allowance as a punishment and feel the need to probably beat him to within an inch of his life again really says much about you.  Eventually, he will get tired of your nonsense and you will have no one to beat for your mistakes.  Probably a good thing.




kittycake -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 5:25:19 PM)

If it's a real punishment, as opposed to a fun oh-you-bad-boy type thing, it should be something designed to correct the error and help to ensure that it doesn't happen again.

I personally don't believe in sadistic punishments, and someone with your anger issues really ought to steer clear of anything physical while you are angry it sounds like.

If his forgetfulness is a problem, maybe have him start keeping a planner. All the due dates for everything; bills, instructions you've given him, etc, can be there. Have him keep it around all the time, and check it regularly. I would think the humiliation of you constantly wanting to check his planner to make sure he is getting things done would be incentive enough to start remembering; plus it will keep him more organized!




DarkSteven -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/22/2012 9:13:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MaxineANDjohnnie

Thanks for the responses which were positive. Of course he cleaned his desk. Not really a punishment though. I have a problem with overreacting when I get angry. I have decided to take away his desk, he doesn't really need it. We'll be moving it to the garage tomorrow evening.


Dumbest thing you could have done.

He's using it, and it's messy. You say he doesn't need it, but he's USING it. He'll be far more likely to miss payments, etc. after you destroy his system of tracking things.

Maxine, see if you can find a local mentor. You're overreacting, losing self control, allowing things to bug you until you explode, etc. You're not ready to implement a punishment dynamic.




Endivius -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/23/2012 4:19:56 AM)

I dunno about taking away the desk. At first glance it's a reasonable reaction. YOu throw your toys I take them away. Problem is, that as DS points out, he's USING the fucking thing. Let me show you my angle.

Cause : He's disorganized, sloppy, and/or lazy. This may not be true of everything about him. However, from what information you provided thusfar, it is certainly true of his organizational skills. So let's focus on those and not on the fact that he was late on a payment, as that was an indirect biproduct of his organizational skills.

Also, it would be important to point out that while you and so many others are rushing to jump on the punishment bandwagon, or worse, the "training" band wagon, you've ignored accepting your own responsibility on this issue. You are supposed to be the one in charge. That means if you delegate a task to someone, you do not just "up and forget" about it. It means you are assigning a task to someone else, but that responsibility still belongs to YOU. He may be paying the bills, but YOU are responsible for ensuring that it gets done. Period. You are supposed to lead by example. So lead.

Solution: Give him direction, not just on how to be more organized. Be aware of the little things. You want to be able to leave behind all the little details to him? Show him they matter to you. Don't get behind him and push, get in front and clear the path. This isn't about breaking some mental barrier like a fear of heights or spiders. This is about improving the way he conducts his financial affairs wich directly affects the both of you. He needs to know that you pay attention to these details and expect more of him.

There are a number of ways you can go about doing this, I won't blow sunshine up your ass and tell you my way is the way or any of that crap. Whatever way works for you is fine, the important thing is that you show him you are attentive to these things. Some of the things you might consider would be "patroling" his desk. If it's disorganized or things are out of place, call him in and make him organize it. Then he can go back to whatever it is he was doing before.

Keep track of all the due dates of your bills, and post them on a good old fashioned calendar he can hang in the office or keep at his desk. If you bring the calendar to him and lay out the way you want him to keep track of billing dates, as well as have him put reminders into his phone or pda then you are showing him; demonstrably so, that this matters. And if it matters to you, it matters to him. When you see him working hard at keeping things the way you have laid them out for him, then you reward him. If he starts to slack off then you can start thinking about punishments. Be first, be inspiration, lead.




DesFIP -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/23/2012 7:06:26 AM)

This reminds me of when my kid was young. Because she had problems, the principal announced she was going to take away her medication. In her mind, you could only have something if you didn't need it.

We had a discussion about a lawsuit after which this was dropped.

If he's chronically disorganized, how about he gets assessed for ADD/ADHD while you get help for your inappropriate anger. He sounds like a nice guy who deserves better than he's getting. I'm sure there are women he knows who would love to have a relationship with him.




frazzle -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/23/2012 7:31:54 AM)

FR

Unless its work related my brain is like a sieve.

My son, who doesnt live here, had enough and bought me a calendar that hangs next to the desk.
He may not be my dom, but he double checks that i have actually written stuff on it and then reminds me to look at it every morning. He then checks ive actually done the stuff.
Yes its annoying, but i now pay bills on time and actually get to appointments.




LafayetteLady -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/23/2012 7:35:20 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Endivius

I dunno about taking away the desk. At first glance it's a reasonable reaction. YOu throw your toys I take them away. Problem is, that as DS points out, he's USING the fucking thing. Let me show you my angle......

If he starts to slack off then you can start thinking about punishments. Be first, be inspiration, lead.


I trimmed your post just because it was long.  However, I think it is a very good suggestion.  Studies have shown that negative reinforcement rarely works to better behavior and only creates fear.  Maxine seems to want to get his submission through bullying and creating fear of what will happen, especially since she has an anger management problem.

I hope that she considers what you said.




mummyman321 -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/23/2012 8:59:37 PM)

I say you just duct tape the over due bill to his forhead for the weekend. He will remember it.




OsideGirl -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/23/2012 9:18:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady
Studies have shown that negative reinforcement rarely works to better behavior and only creates fear. 

And resentment.




LookieNoNookie -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/24/2012 5:14:28 AM)


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ORIGINAL: MaxineANDjohnnie

We thought we hadn't received a phone bill last month. We called the phone company (they have a fee for online payment?) and we asked for a new bill to be sent. Later I found the bill buried on my husbands desk. We may have to pay a late fee but that is OK since I will just take it out of his allowance. I am looking for suggestions for additional punishment. Thanks


It's an unusual question frankly.

I don't see how you can punish the phone company when it was clearly your husbands error.




kalikshama -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/24/2012 6:32:26 AM)

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my brain is like a sieve.


I rely on Outlook's calendar, tasks, and reminders.




littlewonder -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/24/2012 12:21:36 PM)

If he has a cellphone, set up reminders on it of when things are due, appointments, etc...I put everything on my phone and I have it set up to alarm me the day before and the hour before the event.

So as soon as a bill comes in, have him immediately put in as a reminder on his phone calendar.




JstAnotherSub -> RE: Lost phone bill (6/24/2012 3:13:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

quote:

my brain is like a sieve.


I rely on Outlook's calendar, tasks, and reminders.

We just switched to Outlook at work, from Novell Groupwise, and even though I know it is just different and I will get used to it, I am lost as hell trying to figure Outlook out right now.

Luckily, I have all summer to play with it, before actually having to keep upo with things when school starts back.




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