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Baroccoli O'Failure's Unfortunate Truth...
Obama Is America's Biggest Job Outsourcer
Jobs: The same president who used stimulus dollars to build electric cars in Finland and sought to be Brazil's best oil customer now complains the GOP nominee built his career outsourcing jobs. At least he created some.
Let me start off to say as usual, you dont check your facts before publishing them. If you did, you would have learned a few things...
"Half a billion to an electric car company that created hundreds of jobs in Finland.” Actually, the first round of government loans to Fisker Automotive went toward design, engineering, sales and marketing work done in the U.S. It’s true that the cars it has built so far were made in Finland, but a second round of funding has gone for development of a second, less-costly line of cars that the company plans to build in a shuttered GM facility in Delaware."
Source: Factcheck.org
Likewise, the actual American Recovery and Reinvestment Act did not directly say to do any of this. You did READ THE BILL, right? No, you didnt; you were told what to think. How do I know this? The 'cut / paste' story you have here says it all. Very little self-thinking (along with fact checking) since doing so would lend credibility.
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President Obama's re-election campaign released an ad Tuesday saying Mitt Romney "shipped American jobs to places like Mexico and China" when he led the investment firm Bain Capital.
The $780,000 ad buy in the key swing states of Ohio, Iowa and Virginia was in response to an ad by the free-market group Americans for Prosperity (AFP) noting the administration's penchant for wasting taxpayer money in support of green energy companies, particularly those overseas or with foreign owners.
You should check up on House Republicans and their 'wasting of American money'. Do you know how much it costs to bring a bill from creation, through a committee, all the checking and rechecking before it heads to the House floor for debate and vote? And than sent to the Senate side for the samething before its voted down? Costs quite a few hundred thousands as we, the USA, have to pay all the clerks and security people to be on hand to file and handle the grunt work. Now times that by the many bills that Republicans have pushed forward for all sorts of lame and silly arguements; which not surprising the Democrats in the Senate simply said 'No' to. The Republicans just got done a few years ago, raising the US Debt from a pooky $2 Trillion in 2000 to $11.5 Trillion in 2008 ($4 Trillion on that war to find those phanton 'WMDs' we never found). So yes, they are 'ok' with spending high on the hog with the USA money. They dont even have to worry about the conservatives bitching at them over it. Why? When was the last time we saw conservatives hold the people they vote into office to even 1/1000th the level of accountibility and responsbility as they slam President Obama on an hourly basis?
So the President's re-election group spent money on attack ads. Is your canididate, MSLA, not spending a penny on attack ads? Of course he is. Are you checking the information for accuracy and truthfulness? Course not....
How about you show all of us which companies, foreign based and overseas that obtain money as part of the ARRA that was not for work completed within the USA? Your going to have a hard time doing that. How much money did we spend on foreign owned companies that operated in foreign lands during the whole of the Bush Administration's Iraq venture? Lets just say MSLA, the amount easily dwarfs your arguement 10:1.
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Among other things, AFP noted, the Obama administration approved a plan by electric car company Fisker to use part of its $529 million federal stimulus loan guarantee to build its manufacturing facility, and the 500 jobs it supports, in Finland.
If you read up on the source from the factcheck above, you'll find the money was spent on its Irvine, CA facility. And THAT plant has 700 employees and still hiring...
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Now comes Obama's counterattack — an odd charge since he seeks to block the Keystone XL pipeline from Canada that would create 20,000 jobs fast and hundreds of thousands of jobs in an economic ripple effect.
There was a whole thread on this. Many people (mostly moderates and liberals) explained THE FACTS and not the 'spoon filled nonsense FOX News drivelled out for conservatives to parrot'. The actual number of jobs was about 7,000. Of those 7,000, less than 1% would have lasted beyond the 1.5 year mark. The grand majority of those jobs would have only lasted up to six months. Those jobs would have very little hope in creating a stable 'down stream' job creation even after the pipeline was built. In addition, the pipeline would have been placing all the risk of an enviromental disaster on the USA side, with no gurantee that the actual product would be 100% (or even 10%) sold within the USA borders. In fact, one Democrat in the House pushed forth a bill that would regulate all that oil from that pipeline in partiular. He got shot down by the whole of the GOP in the House. That might have created a few hundred jobs in different states.
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This is also an administration that applauded the U.S. Export-Import Bank's plan to loan Brazil's state-run Petrobras $2 billion, with the promise of more to follow, at a time when Obama was railing against tax incentives for U.S. oil companies and still is.
Tell us, MSLA, what *IS* the purpose of the US Export-Import Bank? Without looking it up online. I just put the FACTUAL link there to show everyone else how laughable this arguement really is! $2 Billion? Really? Did you bother to check this arguement before posting it? No of course not, why would conservatives thinking for themselves; next someone on here will tell me the tooth fairy and the easter bunny exist....
Almost forgot another curious fact on this one: It came from Reuters. However, the information provided in it assumes the reader know WHAT the Export-Import Bank in the US is all about. Unfortunately, Reuters believes conservatives are as 'well informed and study' as liberals and moderates. How wrong they are. Case in point, do a google/yahoo search on "U.S. Export-Import Bank's plan to loan Brazil's STATE-RUN Petrobras $2 Billion". I honest did not find one non-conservative site explaining this information, but more than happy to slam the President in a pretty un-journalistic quality. I 'circle' the state-run part, as conservatives hate anything state run....except for FOX News. Of course, I could explain that one, but it would be off topic.
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With an offshore drilling ban in effect off both coasts, Alaska's continental shelf, ANWR and much of the Gulf of Mexico, with a de facto moratorium covering the rest, Obama told the Brazilians: "We want to help you with the technology and support to develop these oil reserves safely, and when you're ready to start selling, we want to be one of your best customers."
As usual for conservative sites, THIS, is no different. Taking stuff WAY OUT OF CONTEXT to make an arguement has been a conservative tactic since the Clinton Admin. When President Obama talks, its generally easy to find the RIGHT INFORMATION straight from "The Horse's Mouth" You'll find the exact line in the 21st paragraph of his speech on March 19, 2011. if you (or any typical conservative) actually READ the speech, what the President talks about is all together different from the arguement conservatives rail at him.
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Obama's forced dependence on foreign oil — while we leave vast reserves in the ground — has resulted in the acceleration of the greatest transfer of job-creating wealth overseas in history to the tune of hundreds of billions annually.
President Obama is the first US President to force dependence on foreign oil? WoW! What an insane arguement to make, MSLA. I suppose you have FACTS and EVIDENCE to back up that arguement? Course not, why think for yourself when conservative media can do it for you? And they use buzz words to make it sound all 'offical' too.
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Why we can't be our own best energy company, keeping jobs and cash here, is the fault of a president beholden to groups opposed to any American oil drilling.
Actually we could be our own best energy company, and keep jobs and cash here: Its called Socialism! But apart from the socialism aspect, it would take America about $150-250 Billion to update the electrical systems across the United States. Much of the hardware in use dates back to the early 1950's. We are literally losing much in the way of power due to inefficient systems. Updating that would be an act of Congress; Which the Republicans have refused every year since President Obama came to office! And they have been very successful in convincing conservatives the whole thing is the President's fault (cus as I've so far shown, conservatives DONT check their information).
The President did go so far as to put money forth for an emerging technology front: Green Energy. The country or countries that make it successful will generally dominate world markets. The President wanted America to be in such a position; Republicans are against it. Tell me MSLA, are you for America's good economic health, or against it?
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Recently, Government Motors, aka GM, whose international headquarters are in Shanghai, announced it would be developing an electric car platform with its longtime Chinese partner, Shanghai Automotive Industrial Corp. (SAIC).
I always love this arguement. It really does show the ignorance of most conservatives. Than they dont bother with facts or evidence to make their arguement. GM got in inflow of money from the US Goverment in the form of preferred stock share buys. Do you know, MSLA, what a preferred stock share is and isnt? Does it allow an investor to directly control a company like common stock? And what sort of dividend gets drawn from it compared to common stock?
And the 'international headquarters' part? Yeah, where is the ACTUAL HEAD QUARTERS for General Motors Company, MSLA? Detroit, Michigan! Your 'analysist that you got this information from went to the conversative kool-aid machine one to many times to get that sort of information WRONG!
Yes, GM does business in 157 countries, one of them being in China. China is becoming an ecomonic powerhouse in its own right; its people are buying cars. If you begrudge GM from doing business in China, than you must ALSO do the same for ALL THE OTHER US Companies doing business in China. Some of whom have contributed to Republican campaigns across America.
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As part of doing business in China, GM, which became virtually a wholly owned subsidiary of the U.S. government, must share its taxpayer-subsidized technology with Beijing as a cost of doing business there, including the tech used in the heavily subsidized Chevy Volt.
"...a wholly owned subisidary of the U.S. goverment." What a laugh for the reasons stated above. That line in italics is so full of crap and lies, its not funny. But, conservatives have been spoon-fed these lies for so long, its 'truth and fact' to them now. More so, they possess the inability to question what the 'state-run' media sources tell them (i.e. FOX News). We wouldn't want conservatives listening to 'Free Media', as they are against Liberalis Media...or....the translation from Latin to English: Liberal Media! 
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State-of-the-art battery technology developed by Ener1, which had a $118 million stimulus funded credit line before it went bankrupt — and was supposed to rejuvenate the American auto industry — is now owned outright by Boris Zingarevich, a Russian businessman with ties to Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.
Its 'Free Enterprise' and 'Capitalism' until its becomes a political attack against non-Republicans? Yeah, the company got funds, went bankrupt and sold off its intectual property rights in a fair sale. Either your 'For' or 'Against' Capitalism, MSLA. You, nor any other person get to pick and choose which you want. Now, if there was a RULE, REGULATION, or LAW prohibiting the sale of material gained by way of a US Goverment transaction, this technology would not have been sold. But who is always against Rules, Regulations and Laws, MSLA? That's right....conservatives AND Republicans!
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One of the administration's latest green boondoggles is a $773 million loan for Severstal North America to expand and retool the old Rouge steel mill in Dearborn, Mich., to make high-strength steel needed to make lighter, more fuel-efficient cars.
The problem is that this kind of steel is already being produced in sufficient quantities, including by Severstal, and the company getting the loan is owned by Russian billionaire Alexei Mordashov. As one of the world's richest men with a net worth estimated at $19 billion, he hardly should be the recipient of our subsidy.
Again, just like above, I can find this information on many conservative-oriented websites, but no where else. That tells me immediately that the 'facts' and 'evidence' have been....changed.....from the reality to the drivel in its current form. How about you provide us with a non-bias site that has this information listed. Your source's credibility, MSLA, STINKS! So lets see if you can actually put your money where your mouth is and provide the CORRECT information.
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Obama would maintain the highest corporate tax rate in the world, a job-outsourcing energy policy, expand job-killing regulations, impose job-killing ObamaCare and the Buffett Rule, which would penalize job-creating risk takers and entrepreneurs.
Media Matters refuts this better than I could. After I checked google/yahoo again, I was not surprised (yet again, with this 'analysis') that every single conservative bias site has the exact same information, but exists no where else. That might be because the information presented by these conservative sites is.....wrong.....unfactual.....AND......complete lies! Cus conservatives are 'known' for their 'checking and rechecking the facts and evidence' before accepting the information. They are like a bunch of Creation Scientists that literally throw out any data collected from 'expirments' that would disprove the Holy Bible (since its infallible, right?).
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It is Obama who is outsourcing American jobs and downsizing the American economy.
By all means, present the FACTS and EVIDENCE that actually supports this lame statement, MSLA. Oh forgot, you cant think for yourself but need to ' cut / paste ' information from people that do the thinking for you. If your going to blame President Obama for stuff, shouldn't you ALSO check to see if both the information your using is correct and non-bias (i.e. changed)? Or to keep the people you will vote for in the next (and future) elections are held to the same standard if not TWICE the level you bash President Obama? To do any less, shows you to be a hypocrit....
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