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Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 7:23:19 PM   
ddstarr


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Obama demonizes the most productive citizens and encourages more and more people to be government dependent. He has no respect for the constitution (use of czars to get around senate, granting amnesty to illegals by exec order, etc...) or the rule of law. He gave GM to his union thug buddies and screwed the bond holders. He gave $500mm of OUR money to his friends at Solyndra.
What they never understand is................. eventually you run out of Other Peoples Money!!!
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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 7:51:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ddstarr

Obama demonizes the most productive citizens and encourages more and more people to be government dependent. He has no respect for the constitution (use of czars to get around senate, granting amnesty to illegals by exec order, etc...) or the rule of law. He gave GM to his union thug buddies and screwed the bond holders. He gave $500mm of OUR money to his friends at Solyndra.
What they never understand is................. eventually you run out of Other Peoples Money!!!




I actually support several of your concerns/comments but here's the facts:

Obama (actually...honestly) believes in what he's doing and.....(here's the kicker)....he's the Prez.

Soooo.....he gets to say what's what.

And if you don't like it.....(and I'm a Republican)....you can go fuck yourself.

('Cause.....he's the Prez....so he gets to write the rules).

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:09:48 PM   
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Anyone who actually thinks Obama is a socialist is very, VERY ignorant politically, and has no idea what socialism actually IS.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:10:12 PM   
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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:14:22 PM   
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Sorry but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mao was a communist, in the lenonist tradition (not the Beatle).
Obama is clearly a socialist, albeit, trying to be one in a capitalist country. Nationalizing banks and Auto companies. Going around bankruptcy laws to enrich his union friends.
The one thing you guys never get is that Other Peoples Money eventually runs out. Thats why it never works.
Government doesn't create anything. it just takes and distributes. We will soon be Greece.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:17:16 PM   
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Hey...




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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:24:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ddstarr

Sorry but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mao was a communist, in the lenonist tradition (not the Beatle).
Obama is clearly a socialist, albeit, trying to be one in a capitalist country. Nationalizing banks and Auto companies. Going around bankruptcy laws to enrich his union friends.
The one thing you guys never get is that Other Peoples Money eventually runs out. Thats why it never works.
Government doesn't create anything. it just takes and distributes. We will soon be Greece.


Lenin. No "O". If he had nationalized the banks and auto industry, the US Government would be calling the shots rather than letting them do as they wish. Now take your gun back to your little bomb shelter and wait for the Myan prophecy to come true.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:45:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ddstarr

Obama demonizes the most productive citizens and encourages more and more people to be government dependent. He has no respect for the constitution (use of czars to get around senate, granting amnesty to illegals by exec order, etc...) or the rule of law. He gave GM to his union thug buddies and screwed the bond holders. He gave $500mm of OUR money to his friends at Solyndra.
What they never understand is................. eventually you run out of Other Peoples Money!!!




Ummmm...the body that decides these things........says it`s Constitutional......

Did you know "czars" are a figure of speech?......No?

That`s ok.....it doesn`t matter......

Something tells me that when you cons get a yen for more invasions.....you`ll come up with plenty of money......

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 8:55:18 PM   
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Hello, Ddstarr. Welcome to the basement. We can always use a broader range of conservative posters to balance things out around here.

Just a thought, though. Chill the fuck out. Go for the throat of the ideas, as you will, but namecalling on other posters won't work out well for you.

Clicky the linky, and then have a ball. Watch yourself. There are libbies to play with in here that will peel you like a grape.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 9:49:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ddstarr
Obama demonizes the most productive citizens and encourages more and more people to be government dependent. He has no respect for the constitution (use of czars to get around senate, granting amnesty to illegals by exec order, etc...) or the rule of law. He gave GM to his union thug buddies and screwed the bond holders. He gave $500mm of OUR money to his friends at Solyndra.
What they never understand is................. eventually you run out of Other Peoples Money!!!


The president hasnt demonized anyone that didnt already deserve it (Like the Republicans and Syria). If anything he has been quite presidental in dealing with concepts, people, and a horde of problems. Its just to bad that you lack the intelligence, education and most of all....wisdom.....to understand all these complicated and complex matters. Usually such stuff is left to the adults in this country and not the children. But Conservatives have dimished themselves on purpose and de-evolved back to a 6th grader in mentality, emotional value, and education; for reasons unknown to most other Americans. You bad the ACA, but yet, I could drop a $1000 bet that you really dont know whats actually *IN* the bill. I'm pretty sure you didnt bother to *READ* the bill. Which, according to the Founding Fathers is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY as a US Citizen. You dont know whats in the bill, even though its been in law for over a year and a half. Is there some problem you have in reading 934 pages? Yeah, alot of it is pretty dry stuff; but if I read it, so can you!

Mr. Obama holds much more respect for the US Consitution than you do it seems; He took the time to graduated top of his class from Harvard with a J.D and became a Consitutional Scholar. Do you know what Consitutional Scholars do on a daily basis? Here's a hint: Has much to do with the US Consitution, the Rule of Law, and the Philosophy of both.

And the 'old GM got money thereby making Obama a Socialist' gag. Seriously, instead of parroting what the conservative misinformation machine brainwashs you to babble; why not instead study....THE FACTS....and make an informed judgement of the details? Here, here is the actual facts surrounding GM's 'bail-out':

The President invested (like anyone would do as a capitalist) into a well known American brand name. In this case, General Motors Company. He invested quite a few billion into the company. But he did not invest in common stuck, but preferred shares. Why? Two reasons: 1) Preferred Shares, or 'Blue Chip Stocks', have a higher return on investment over common stock, AND, 2) If a company goes bankrupt, preferred share holders usually get the full price of thier shares before those of common stock holders. As a note preferred shares of stock in a company never grants voting rights or direct control over a company's assets, people, or company direction (that's the trade off from common stock). So, *IF* the President had invested in common stock, you could make the arguement that he took over GM as a socialist. Since he purchased preferred stock, he invested as an actual Captialist! (Which was a really smart investment as the US Goverment got dividends from it).

There by showing just how ignorant you are on FACTS and EVIDENCE. And you know how many times I've had to explain this to conservatives? Every time they spew forth the GM issue. Now the question is, will you learn from what you were just taught, or will I have to rattle this off to you on some other thread in the future because your intelligence level is not high enough to understand common finacial information easily found in most high school level economic and financial class room textbooks?

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 10:52:23 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: YSG


quote:

ORIGINAL: ddstarr

Sorry but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mao was a communist, in the lenonist tradition (not the Beatle).
Obama is clearly a socialist, albeit, trying to be one in a capitalist country. Nationalizing banks and Auto companies. Going around bankruptcy laws to enrich his union friends.
The one thing you guys never get is that Other Peoples Money eventually runs out. Thats why it never works.
Government doesn't create anything. it just takes and distributes. We will soon be Greece.


Lenin. No "O". If he had nationalized the banks and auto industry, the US Government would be calling the shots rather than letting them do as they wish. Now take your gun back to your little bomb shelter and wait for the Myan prophecy to come true.

Would it have been too much to ask him to invite all his like minded friends along to the bomb shelter too? (Once they're all inside we could brick them in and be rid of them forever. Not terribly democratic I know but that lot are so boring and tiresome ...... )

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/28/2012 11:02:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: YSG
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ORIGINAL: ddstarr
Sorry but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mao was a communist, in the lenonist tradition (not the Beatle).
Obama is clearly a socialist, albeit, trying to be one in a capitalist country. Nationalizing banks and Auto companies. Going around bankruptcy laws to enrich his union friends.
The one thing you guys never get is that Other Peoples Money eventually runs out. Thats why it never works.
Government doesn't create anything. it just takes and distributes. We will soon be Greece.

Lenin. No "O". If he had nationalized the banks and auto industry, the US Government would be calling the shots rather than letting them do as they wish. Now take your gun back to your little bomb shelter and wait for the Myan prophecy to come true.

Would it have been too much to ask him to invite all his like minded friends along to the bomb shelter too? (Once they're all inside we could brick them in and be rid of them forever. Not terribly democratic I know but that lot are so boring and tiresome ...... )


Would be very 'Edgar Allan Poe-ish' to do. Now, who knows to what I refer to?

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 2:58:07 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: joether

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ORIGINAL: tweakabelle
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ORIGINAL: YSG
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ORIGINAL: ddstarr
Sorry but, you have no idea what you are talking about. Mao was a communist, in the lenonist tradition (not the Beatle).
Obama is clearly a socialist, albeit, trying to be one in a capitalist country. Nationalizing banks and Auto companies. Going around bankruptcy laws to enrich his union friends.
The one thing you guys never get is that Other Peoples Money eventually runs out. Thats why it never works.
Government doesn't create anything. it just takes and distributes. We will soon be Greece.

Lenin. No "O". If he had nationalized the banks and auto industry, the US Government would be calling the shots rather than letting them do as they wish. Now take your gun back to your little bomb shelter and wait for the Myan prophecy to come true.

Would it have been too much to ask him to invite all his like minded friends along to the bomb shelter too? (Once they're all inside we could brick them in and be rid of them forever. Not terribly democratic I know but that lot are so boring and tiresome ...... )


Would be very 'Edgar Allan Poe-ish' to do. Now, who knows to what I refer to?

But I don't want to hear the beating of the telltale heart.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 4:15:16 AM   
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Obviously you are not well studied on politics. The pres is still beholden to the CONSTITUTION. remember that document??


Not since the '70s he hasn't been.
As it was your boys Reagan and the chimp who set the ball rolling on ignoring the constitution at will and treating the presidency as an absolutist monarchy that answers to nobody, complaining about somebody from the other party behaving in the same manner is more than a little hypocritical, and absolutely pathetic to boot.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 4:31:13 AM   
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Lets also not forget this little study, which shows that Conservatives are less intelligent

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 4:41:36 AM   
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Actually, the most productive sector of American society are the workers, NOT the wealthy. In truth, most of the wealthiest people in the US are not business owners but investors, which makes production of goods possible, HOWEVER, the wealthiest Americans are not investing in new businesses, they are cutting costs in production by supporting the movement of jobs overseas.

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 4:56:12 AM   
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I know that, you know that.
I don't think that ddstar has read any Mills or Ruskin, though...

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 5:16:01 AM   
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Would be very 'Edgar Allan Poe-ish' to do. Now, who knows to what I refer to?


What then, say you, would symbolize the cask of amontillado?

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 6:16:17 AM   
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Please explain to me why sun > solar panel > energy is socialism but sun > corn > energy is good policy.

You know a socialist policy like the auto industry bailout has worked when a staunch capitalist takes credit for it with a hostile takeover.

Socialists aren't socialists but Obama is a socialist

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RE: Obama philosophy - 6/29/2012 7:27:50 AM   
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quote:

Please explain to me why sun > solar panel > energy is socialism but sun > corn > energy is good policy.


I can do that.

The sun is free. Beyond the initial investment, if people started using solar, there go profits.

Corn is highly subsidized. If we can convince people sugar needs to come from corn, despite very cheap global cane sugar (which the U.S. doesn't see thanks to very high tariffs), and even gasoline needs to come from corn, we can charge and charge and charge. Put it in stuff without letting consumers choose. Even better!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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