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Just because she claims she's telling the truth, evidence points out that she's not..

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Now who are we to believe, some reporter, who interviewed the guy who was in charge of letting the guns walk, or the testimony under oath of two ATF agents who blew the whistle on the operation?

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Just because she claims she's telling the truth, evidence points out that she's not..

What evidence? Ron has debunked your examiner "evidence" and I do not consider Breibart a credible source. Re: the CBS link, the Fortune article says the straw purchasers weren't arrested due to lack of sign off from federal prosecutors, and in frustration, the ATF went to the state for warrants.

Phoenix-based ATF agents became so frustrated by prosecutors' intransigence that, in a highly unusual move, they began bringing big cases to the state attorney general's office instead.

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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Of course the cons are crying about this, it is simple partisanship. But, really you're going to defend this Nixon like behavior because of your own partisanship? I think they should disclose it all. If they are not guilt y they will be vindicated by the documents. Right now it looks suspect.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: kalikshama

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Just because she claims she's telling the truth, evidence points out that she's not..

What evidence? Ron has debunked your examiner "evidence" and I do not consider Breibart a credible source. Re: the CBS link, the Fortune article says the straw purchasers weren't arrested due to lack of sign off from federal prosecutors, and in frustration, the ATF went to the state for warrants.

Phoenix-based ATF agents became so frustrated by prosecutors' intransigence that, in a highly unusual move, they began bringing big cases to the state attorney general's office instead.

And I don't consider Fortune, owned by Time, and written by an ultra liberal activist reporter to be a credible source either, and Ron didn't debunk shit, all he did was post a letter Cummings wrote, which Issa disputes.

Again I ask, where are the documents she saw? If they were such top secret ATF documents, 1, how did she get access to them, and 2, why weren't they turned over to Congress when they were subpenaed? Why haven't any of these 67 agents she talked to come forward, even anonymously to back her up?

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
If you had actually read the article you would have noticed that it mentioned that there are no federal law against firearms trafficking

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Transporting firearms from the U.S. to Mexico poses more legal obstacles to the would-be trafficker. Shipping, transporting or receiving a firearm with intent to commit a felony with it, or knowing that someone else will use it to commit a felony, is punishable by ten years in prison.[10] The trafficker would also break the law if he tried to ship firearms by common carrier without declaring the contents of the package,[11] or by mailing a handgun.[12] There are also specific prohibitions on shipping or transporting stolen firearms,[13] or firearms with obliterated serial numbers.[14]

If a trafficker manages to export firearms from the U.S. without a license from the State Department, he violates the Arms Export Control Act, which prohibits unlicensed exports of “defense articles.”[15] Illegally exported “arms or munitions of war” are subject to seizure and forfeiture.[16]

Even if the trafficker does not remove the firearm from the U.S., he can still be punished for transferring it to someone else in the U.S., if the transferor knows the firearm will be used to commit a violent or drug trafficking crime.[17] And even if a group of traffickers are ultimately unsuccessful, they can still be punished under the general federal conspiracy statute, as long as one of the conspirators commits some act to carry out the plan.[18]

Nearly all of the violations described above are federal felonies that carry potential prison terms of five years or more, and fines of $250,000 and up.[19]

Mexico, of course, also has strict and complex gun laws of its own, which allow for up to three years’ imprisonment for importation of arms “that can only be used to attack” or that are not “for public servants.”[20] Mexico prohibits civilian possession of firearms or ammunition in calibers commonly used by the military (such as 9mm or larger handguns, and .223 and .30 caliber rifles).[21] Unauthorized possession of these and other “arm exclusively reserved for the use of the Army, Navy or Air Force” is punishable by up to fifteen years’ imprisonment.[22] Gun sales within Mexico are a government monopoly, conducted at a single store operated by the army in Mexico City.[23]

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Straw purchases are illegal

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

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Of course the cons are crying about this, it is simple partisanship. But, really you're going to defend this Nixon like behavior because of your own partisanship? I think they should disclose it all. If they are not guilt y they will be vindicated by the documents. Right now it looks suspect.

Any chance you might try to respond to what I post instead of what you imagine I might be thinkng?

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If you had actually read the article you would have noticed that it mentioned that there are no federal law against firearms trafficking

Straw purchases are illegal

Then there is this...

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Transporting firearms from the U.S. to Mexico poses more legal obstacles to the would-be trafficker. Shipping, transporting or receiving a firearm with intent to commit a felony with it, or knowing that someone else will use it to commit a felony, is punishable by ten years in prison.[10] The trafficker would also break the law if he tried to ship firearms by common carrier without declaring the contents of the package,[11] or by mailing a handgun.[12] There are also specific prohibitions on shipping or transporting stolen firearms,[13] or firearms with obliterated serial numbers.[14]

If a trafficker manages to export firearms from the U.S. without a license from the State Department, he violates the Arms Export Control Act, which prohibits unlicensed exports of “defense articles.”[15] Illegally exported “arms or munitions of war” are subject to seizure and forfeiture.[16]

Even if the trafficker does not remove the firearm from the U.S., he can still be punished for transferring it to someone else in the U.S., if the transferor knows the firearm will be used to commit a violent or drug trafficking crime.[17] And even if a group of traffickers are ultimately unsuccessful, they can still be punished under the general federal conspiracy statute, as long as one of the conspirators commits some act to carry out the plan.[18]

Nearly all of the violations described above are federal felonies that carry potential prison terms of five years or more, and fines of $250,000 and up.[19]

Mexico, of course, also has strict and complex gun laws of its own, which allow for up to three years’ imprisonment for importation of arms “that can only be used to attack” or that are not “for public servants.”[20] Mexico prohibits civilian possession of firearms or ammunition in calibers commonly used by the military (such as 9mm or larger handguns, and .223 and .30 caliber rifles).[21] Unauthorized possession of these and other “arm exclusively reserved for the use of the Army, Navy or Air Force” is punishable by up to fifteen years’ imprisonment.[22] Gun sales within Mexico are a government monopoly, conducted at a single store operated by the army in Mexico City.[23]

Now, what were your babbling about?

Any chance you could link us to a source that will tell us which federal law makes arms trafficking illegal?
Perhaps you might start by actually reading the fortune article, then you may ask for a pry bar to get your feet out of your mouth.

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Any chance you could link us to a source that will tell us which federal law makes arms trafficking illegal?
Perhaps you might start by actually reading the fortune article, then you may ask for a pry bar to get your feet out of your mouth.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
Straw purchases are illegal 

Transporting firearms from the U.S. to Mexico poses more legal obstacles to the would-be trafficker. Shipping, transporting or receiving a firearm with intent to commit a felony with it, or knowing that someone else will use it to commit a felony, is punishable by ten years in prison.

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967

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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
Any chance you could link us to a source that will tell us which federal law makes arms trafficking illegal?
Perhaps you might start by actually reading the fortune article, then you may ask for a pry bar to get your feet out of your mouth.

I did read the article, and it's anti gun bias. Eban is a lying sack of progressive shit.
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